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| erratic_ | I really like the cacti mescaline plugin
makes my graphs a lot more eye popping | [10:40] | |
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| mercutio | haha searching for cacti mescaline doesn't work :)
even with the word plugin you were making it up right? :) about the only ocol thing i'm finding for making graphs look better is a value prediction thing | [12:41] | |
| m0unds | haha | [12:52] | |
| mercutio | http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/ | [12:52] | |
| m0unds | yea, remember seeing that a few mos back
their blog has some good stuff on it | [12:53] | |
| mercutio | ahh
so they're saying that peering in the US sucks :) well that's pretty obvious anyway | [12:53] | |
| m0unds | if each state in the US was a country ala europe, it'd probably be better
in that regard i don't think it'd necessarily be better in any other meaningful way | [12:55] | |
| mercutio | yeah
well comcast may not have such a monopoly | [12:55] | |
| m0unds | but that's part of what people from the EU don't seem to comprehend cellular service and stuff here either
yea, i don't really care about comcast's monopoly | [12:56] | |
| mercutio | i was going to say they should just send stuff to telstra from asia
but they already do well comcast's monopoly doesn't help peering it's the smaller providers who tend to peer here for instance it used to be that the biggest two didn't. welll the 2nd biggest used to then dropped it then the 2nd biggest got bought by the 3rd biggest who did peer so i dunno if it's changed now yeah it still loosk the same as it was | [12:57] | |
| m0unds | part of the issue here is that the only way most smaller ISPs can "compete" is if they do DSL | [13:00] | |
| mercutio | and dsl is getting slower and slower | [13:00] | |
| m0unds | which then puts them in the unenviable position of being at the mercy of the incumbent carrier | [13:00] | |
| mercutio | heh. | [13:00] | |
| m0unds | which has always been shitty | [13:00] | |
| mercutio | between a rock and a hard place. | [13:00] | |
| m0unds | it means you nearly always get inferior service from a CLEC vs ILEC
for instance, my telephone co's DSL line rates for here (my home) are 80/40mbit via VDSL2 the fastest any CLEC can provide is 3/1 | [13:00] | |
| mercutio | oh wow
i didn't acutalyl know vdsl2 could do 40 megabit upload 3/1 is kind of unusable these days for lots of things | [13:02] | |
| m0unds | yeah, it's terrible | [13:02] | |
| mercutio | like hd youtube
hell 20 megabit adsl struggles with > 1080p youtube. | [13:02] | |
| m0unds | yeah | [13:03] | |
| mercutio | i thought google were bringing bitrates down | [13:03] | |
| m0unds | when i lived in a suburb north of where i am now in the early-to-mid-00s, i could only get 1.5/512 | [13:03] | |
| mercutio | but it's about 18 megabit atm i think
hmm this stream is only 8 megabit weird it went up 14, 15 megabit my connect seems ok on 1440p but struggling with 2160p on this video
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| BryceBot | YouTube Music: "4K Demo UHD 1440p" by foretification (3m 43s), 80,987 views, 220 likes and 11 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-03-04T18:27:27.000Z. | [13:07] | |
| m0unds | ttp://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network
err, http://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network | [13:07] | |
| mercutio | exempt from open acecss
is the nasty part | [13:09] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [13:10] | |
| m0unds | well, i'd say exempt from open access and the fact that the whole thing is still being paid by taxpayers | [13:11] | |
| mercutio | tax payers would be ok with open access in a way
being paid by tax payers. tax payers pay for roads etc. even if you don't have a car. the internet is kind of a core service now | [13:12] | |
| m0unds | yeah, exactly | [13:13] | |
| mercutio | and i think it's somewhere open access does work better
they're doing a messy kidn of open access for fibre here | [13:13] | |
| m0unds | it'd be like comcast's infrastructure being paid for directly by taxpayer funds | [13:14] | |
| mercutio | different regions have different providers
that you have to do agreements with that haev different plan speeeds as well as government encouraged ones. where government is doing 30/10 and 100/50 it seems that there's a shift towards 200/20 | [13:14] | |
| m0unds | ah, they suggest a min speed?
(the gov) | [13:14] | |
| mercutio | 30/10 is minimum you can buy
it's set pricing too | [13:14] | |
| m0unds | that's cool | [13:15] | |
| mercutio | but there's 2 year contract.
and it's not in 10 year plan for all areas like where i used to live wasn't in 10 year plan i'm in one of the worse regions though, as it's "chorus" who are the slowest for rollout with the most aggressive traffic policing oh that's the annoying thing about fibre here, there's harsh traffic policing without queuing which means people have to have well timed queueing on every connection to not get overlfow overflow | [13:15] | |
| m0unds | bummer
is most of your traffic NZ-NZ? or worldwide? | [13:18] | |
| mercutio | it used to be mostly international
but there's youtube caches here now and youtube is a big bandwidth user nz peering is wonderful in general there just isn't much content facebook and google is what most people seem to care about these days and they both moved to https for most stuff which means with google you can only cache with their special stuff and facebook has lousy cdn's that vary. recently they've been using streaming akamai, which has much less nodes than normal akamai. and there's terrible cache hit rates, and apalling miss speed. so it can take 2+ seconds to load a single image. or like 30 msec to load the same image when cached. | [13:19] | |
| m0unds | ouch | [13:27] | |
| mercutio | so i'm less than 1 msec away from a streaming akamai server on my dedicated server here with gigabit.
the cache miss/hit is really obvious but it's really obvious on any connection speed like i have adsl at home the obvious answer seems to be to cache more. try and cache for 24 hours at least. oh it's worse than that, there's more than one ip address often for the same data, and it won't cache share it seems. of if you request the same file twice with no proxy/cache or anything, it'll be slow twice then fast. also facebook seems to use data centres on east coast of the US even if it comes into their network in california they should start anycasting. i got a vps in sydney from that vultr place someone mentioned, and from australia it goes to singapore for facebook i didn't even know facebook was in singapore. | [13:27] | |
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| m0unds | huh | [13:52] | |
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| mercutio | to what part | [14:08] | |
| m0unds | facebook in singapore | [14:21] | |
| mercutio | yeah, facebook are in singapore now it seems.
if you trace from sydney. i don't know if fb actually have any west coast us data centres i imagine it costs more for power but with https even terminating connections closer improves performance | [14:33] | |
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| m0unds | yea, they do
they have one in OR (hydro power) i think they have one in san jose or nearby i remember seeing somewhere in northern ca in an ns name | [15:20] | |
| mercutio | i tried emailing fb | [15:22] | |
| m0unds | i keep getting shv | [15:22] | |
| mercutio | let's see if it goes anywhere :)
yeh someone else is getting a link to los angeles their server selection sucks how far is shv from you? i get frc i dunno what frv or shv is | [15:22] | |
| m0unds | shv is somewhere east coast
so 1500+ mi | [15:25] | |
| mercutio | yeah it's stupid | [15:25] | |
| m0unds | my route on comcast goes via marietta, ga | [15:25] | |
| mercutio | they run all this stuff through their network anyway
so they may as well terminate connections early and it's all https so there's latency delay with multiple back and forward rtt jumps of course then you're on the site and it's working and it sucks anyway :) | [15:25] | |
| m0unds | yup, lol | [15:26] | |
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| mercutio | Linux 3.18-rc3 Released, Codenamed The "Diseased Newt"
they're a bit sick with their naming | [16:43] | |
| m0unds | haha | [16:48] | |
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