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makes my graphs a lot more eye popping ***: jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks
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jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks erratic_: Knight mercutio: haha searching for cacti mescaline doesn't work :)
even with the word plugin
you were making it up right? :)
about the only ocol thing i'm finding for making graphs look better is a value prediction thing m0unds: haha mercutio: http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/ m0unds: yea, remember seeing that a few mos back
their blog has some good stuff on it mercutio: ahh
so they're saying that peering in the US sucks :)
well that's pretty obvious anyway m0unds: if each state in the US was a country ala europe, it'd probably be better
in that regard
i don't think it'd necessarily be better in any other meaningful way mercutio: yeah
well comcast may not have such a monopoly m0unds: but that's part of what people from the EU don't seem to comprehend cellular service and stuff here either
yea, i don't really care about comcast's monopoly mercutio: i was going to say they should just send stuff to telstra from asia
but they already do
well comcast's monopoly doesn't help peering
it's the smaller providers who tend to peer here for instance
it used to be that the biggest two didn't.
welll the 2nd biggest used to
then dropped it
then the 2nd biggest got bought by the 3rd biggest who did peer
so i dunno if it's changed now
yeah it still loosk the same as it was m0unds: part of the issue here is that the only way most smaller ISPs can "compete" is if they do DSL mercutio: and dsl is getting slower and slower m0unds: which then puts them in the unenviable position of being at the mercy of the incumbent carrier mercutio: heh. m0unds: which has always been shitty mercutio: between a rock and a hard place. m0unds: it means you nearly always get inferior service from a CLEC vs ILEC
for instance, my telephone co's DSL line rates for here (my home) are 80/40mbit via VDSL2
the fastest any CLEC can provide is 3/1 mercutio: oh wow
i didn't acutalyl know vdsl2 could do 40 megabit upload
3/1 is kind of unusable these days
for lots of things m0unds: yeah, it's terrible mercutio: like hd youtube
hell 20 megabit adsl struggles with > 1080p youtube. m0unds: yeah mercutio: i thought google were bringing bitrates down m0unds: when i lived in a suburb north of where i am now in the early-to-mid-00s, i could only get 1.5/512 mercutio: but it's about 18 megabit atm i think
hmm this stream is only 8 megabit
weird it went up
14, 15 megabit
my connect seems ok on 1440p but struggling with 2160p on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11zf7Y5tUbM BryceBot: YouTube Music: "4K Demo UHD 1440p" by foretification (3m 43s), 80,987 views, 220 likes and 11 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-03-04T18:27:27.000Z. m0unds: ttp://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network
err, http://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network mercutio: exempt from open acecss
is the nasty part BryceBot: That's what she said!! m0unds: well, i'd say exempt from open access and the fact that the whole thing is still being paid by taxpayers mercutio: tax payers would be ok with open access in a way
being paid by tax payers.
tax payers pay for roads etc.
even if you don't have a car.
the internet is kind of a core service now m0unds: yeah, exactly mercutio: and i think it's somewhere open access does work better
they're doing a messy kidn of open access for fibre here m0unds: it'd be like comcast's infrastructure being paid for directly by taxpayer funds mercutio: different regions have different providers
that you have to do agreements with
that haev different plan speeeds as well as government encouraged ones.
where government is doing 30/10 and 100/50
it seems that there's a shift towards 200/20 m0unds: ah, they suggest a min speed?
(the gov) mercutio: 30/10 is minimum you can buy
it's set pricing too m0unds: that's cool mercutio: but there's 2 year contract.
and it's not in 10 year plan for all areas
like where i used to live wasn't in 10 year plan
i'm in one of the worse regions though, as it's "chorus"
who are the slowest for rollout
with the most aggressive traffic policing
oh that's the annoying thing about fibre here, there's harsh traffic policing
without queuing
which means people have to have well timed queueing on every connection
to not get overlfow
overflow m0unds: bummer
is most of your traffic NZ-NZ? or worldwide? mercutio: it used to be mostly international
but there's youtube caches here now
and youtube is a big bandwidth user
nz peering is wonderful in general
there just isn't much content
facebook and google is what most people seem to care about these days
and they both moved to https for most stuff which means with google you can only cache with their special stuff
and facebook has lousy cdn's that vary.
recently they've been using streaming akamai, which has much less nodes than normal akamai. and there's terrible cache hit rates, and apalling miss speed.
so it can take 2+ seconds to load a single image.
or like 30 msec to load the same image when cached. m0unds: ouch mercutio: so i'm less than 1 msec away from a streaming akamai server on my dedicated server here with gigabit.
the cache miss/hit is really obvious
but it's really obvious on any connection speed
like i have adsl at home
the obvious answer seems to be to cache more.
try and cache for 24 hours at least.
oh it's worse than that, there's more than one ip address often for the same data, and it won't cache share it seems.
of if you request the same file twice with no proxy/cache or anything, it'll be slow twice
then fast.
also facebook seems to use data centres on east coast of the US
even if it comes into their network in california
they should start anycasting.
i got a vps in sydney from that vultr place someone mentioned, and from australia it goes to singapore for facebook
i didn't even know facebook was in singapore. m0unds: huh mercutio: to what part m0unds: facebook in singapore mercutio: yeah, facebook are in singapore now it seems.
if you trace from sydney.
i don't know if fb actually have any west coast us data centres
i imagine it costs more for power
but with https even terminating connections closer improves performance m0unds: yea, they do
they have one in OR (hydro power)
i think they have one in san jose or nearby
i remember seeing somewhere in northern ca in an ns name mercutio: i tried emailing fb m0unds: i keep getting shv mercutio: let's see if it goes anywhere :)
yeh someone else is getting a link to los angeles
their server selection sucks
how far is shv from you?
i get frc
i dunno what frv or shv is m0unds: shv is somewhere east coast
so 1500+ mi mercutio: yeah it's stupid m0unds: my route on comcast goes via marietta, ga mercutio: they run all this stuff through their network anyway
so they may as well terminate connections early
and it's all https so there's latency delay
with multiple back and forward rtt jumps
of course then you're on the site and it's working and it sucks anyway :) m0unds: yup, lol mercutio: Linux 3.18-rc3 Released, Codenamed The "Diseased Newt"
they're a bit sick with their naming m0unds: haha ***: tabthorpe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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