[00:48] Both of my personal OpenBSD boxes upgraded to 5.6 without issue :D http://ftp3.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.6/ [00:48] (headless boxes, no less) [02:14] oh it 's out now [02:14] i'd checked multipel times hah [02:14] i was checking ftp5 [02:14] which is also up to date now it seems [02:15] arp isn't yet [06:54] *** mhoran has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:54] *** mhoran has joined #arpnetworks [06:54] *** mhoran has quit IRC (Changing host) [06:54] *** mhoran has joined #arpnetworks [06:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran [13:33] does OpenBSD have ports and packages like FreeBSD? [13:48] Yes [13:48] (For varying degrees of "like FreeBSD") [13:48] It has ports and it has packages, yes. [13:49] But they don't "work" the same as FreeBSD's ports and packages, especially since FreeBSD moved to pkgng [13:56] well their ports/packages are a bit more stable than freebsd's imo [13:57] but freebsd has more [13:58] oh there's annonucement now for ob [13:59] and arp has 5.6/ [13:59] but nothign in i386/amd64 directories hmm [13:59] i wonder if arp ran out of disk space [14:29] hmm is anyone here using nsd yet? [14:29] Yes. [14:30] how do you find it? [14:30] Great. [14:30] Migrating from BIND was easy, since it supports the same file format. [14:30] did you come from bind? [14:30] The master config format is easier. [14:30] i'm using tinydns atm [14:30] It also has a smaller memory footprint, which is great. [14:30] tinydns is a bit annoying for ipv6 [14:30] And I like that I didn't have to disable recursive resolution or anything since it just does authoritative. [14:31] I also didn't have to do anything for IPv6 which was reat. [14:31] yeah [14:31] i like split too [14:31] how are you syncing to remote servers? [14:31] to secondarys [14:31] what i found easy with tinydns is i could just do scp :) [14:31] Notify. [14:31] ahh [14:31] hmm [14:32] I use dns.he.net for secondary, so I just ship them the zones. nsd can do some signed transfer thing but I haven't set that up. [14:32] Also haven't set up DNSSEC. Seems like too much work. [14:32] heh [14:32] But maybe some day. mike-burns just set it up. [14:32] Hi. [14:32] hi [14:33] Anyway, nsd is working well for me. I figured, since I had to install a port, I'd install something different. [14:33] i mostly just saw openbsd is finalyl shifting away from bind [14:33] DNSSEC was super easy. I owe you the write-up of how I did it but it was like "type a thing into named.conf and reload". [14:33] I'd have to move off of he.net DNS unfortunately. [14:33] dnssec support in unbound is simple [14:33] but recursive is prob simpler than authorative [14:33] Yeah. [14:34] There's still BIND userland in base: dig, host, etc. [14:34] mike-burns: that's good. [14:34] My home router can do recursive DNSSEC validation, which is great. [14:35] i'd like to see openbsd get better desktop support [14:35] Disappointingly, OpenBSD's resolver no longer respects DNSSEC validation. [14:35] That's what she said!! [14:35] well by desktop i'm actually thinking smp support [14:35] and better file systems. [14:35] You mean the big lock? [14:35] which isn't really desktop i suppose. [14:35] yeah. [14:35] They'd like that too. [14:35] that's starting to change i think [14:35] the file system thing is annoying [14:35] Patches welcome, I'm sure. [14:35] i doubt they're going to support zfs [14:35] For licensing, yeah. [14:36] licensing wise it's fine. [14:36] freebsd took it [14:36] it's "compatible" [14:36] but they don't even like gpl software ;) [14:36] http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/ZFS-on-OpenBSD has much to say about it. [14:36] i'm reading slashot atm [14:36] it reminds me of cool things about openbsd in one of the posts [14:37] I'm running OpenBSD on my laptop. [14:37] like they've got a mixer that doesn't need pulseaudio that just works. [14:37] sndiod, yeah. [14:37] The whole thing Just Works in a very BSD way, but more so. [14:37] pf, manpages. [14:37] i suppose lack of binary update path is annoying [14:38] and lack of 802.11ac [14:38] freebsd doesn't work with 802.11ac either actually [14:38] I run snapshots, which is binary. [14:38] does it do wireless n yet? [14:38] No. [14:38] hmmm [14:40] Have you run into issues with the big lock? [14:40] network performance not being great. [14:41] Ah sure. [14:41] on that note there's also no infiniband support [14:41] Most unix devs are writing for Linux or GNU these days. [14:41] yeah the big lock actually hampens network performance a bit, and it's one of the first places they're working to resolve it looks like. [14:41] Ah right, I just saw a talk about that. [14:42] ahh cool [14:42] i will see the talk then :) [14:42] It was at EuroBSDCon. [14:42] i actually really like openbsd, ... but i realise it's limitations [14:42] oh [14:42] is it on the net? [14:42] some conference didn't web cast talks [14:43] http://www.openbsd.org/papers/tamingdragons.pdf [14:43] http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140929075248 - others from the conf. [14:43] Theo's was good, as was tedu's. [14:44] i wonder if anyone's looking at speeding up openbgpd [14:44] for large merges. [14:45] like when used as route servers. [14:45] Haven't heard anyone mention it recently, I think. [14:45] i remember reading a few people shifted from openbgpd to bird [14:46] https://va.ludost.net/files/eurobsdcon/2014/Rodopi/ - videos. [14:46] i wonder why openbsd doesn't support 802.11n [14:46] linux uses firmware blobs on ac7260 at least [14:46] No one has submitted a patch. [14:47] so it's just lack of patches? [14:47] Yup. [14:47] oh cool thanks [14:47] hmm [14:47] are ports from freebsd ok? [14:47] On Open? [14:47] Oh I see. [14:47] yeah [14:48] yes. [14:48] But it has to work. [14:48] yeah [14:48] That's often how things go: code from Open on Free, code from Net on Open, etc. [14:48] years ago i took an audrio drive from netbsd. [14:48] err [14:48] audio [14:48] but then i didn't push it upstream properly. [14:48] it was just to do digital sound on cmi8738 [14:49] there was an existing driver without sound [14:49] i had no idea what i was doing :) [14:49] but somehow it worked fine. [14:49] Such is life. [14:49] the interface changes aren't that great. [16:32] o traceroute6(8) has been merged into traceroute(8). [16:33] i always was disturbed by how windows did that ages ago, and linux and openbsd still hadn't caught up [17:20] Oh Linux still isn't caught up. [17:20] Pretty silly. [17:20] ping as well. [17:35] *** erratic_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:25] yeah [18:26] oh it's just the man page! [18:27] mtr does both [19:46] anyone know how to extract graph images from cacti data, to send out an email with a graph every day? [19:52] nope, looks like there's some plugin to do it though? [19:52] http://docs.cacti.net/plugin:nectar [19:58] thanks [21:08] Here is a talk on the Datacenter in 2020 if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9mu7hrW1U [21:08] YouTube Tech: "FSOSS 2014 Day 1 Chris Tyler" by CDOT Seneca (52m 4s), 10 views. Uploaded 2014-10-30T14:55:41.000Z. [23:56] *** zhangxiaobao has joined #arpnetworks [23:57] *** zhangxiaobao has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)