pyvpx: are we on the Sprint network?
   forgotten: ahh my ears
   hazardous: pyvpx: i don't get the reference
   m0unds: hazardous: we get it, you're young
   brycec: I equate the pin-drop with MCI... maybe I'm mis-remembering
   m0unds: it was sprint, their logo was the "trail" of a pin dropping for years
   
 that triangular thing
   
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ae2hrsvQYs
   BryceBot: YouTube People: "Sprint Pin Drop 1987" by 1valvashon (30s), 1,061 views, 1 like and 0 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-02-04T04:49:50.000Z.
   m0unds: that has the old old old logo, but the more triangular one had some superimposed pin bouncing thing that turns into the logo. can't remember when that was
   brycec: LOL I'd forgotten the name "US Sprint"
   m0unds: yeah, hahaha
   
 and that awful typeface
   
 looks like a video game logo from the 80s
   
 err, title
   
 rather
   -: brycec remembers when long-distance rates were not only a thing, but fluctuated throughout the day
   
 brycec does not miss it
   brycec: "$8 for an hour of calls" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6qsFWtWNXI
   BryceBot: YouTube Entertainment: "MCI commercial" by jmtrexler (30s), 2,530 views, 3 likes and 0 dislikes. Uploaded 2008-07-28T19:36:16.000Z.
   brycec: heh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJrrCF73r5s
   BryceBot: YouTube Entertainment: "MCI Commercial with Leonard Nimoy, TOS Cast and Jonathan Frakes" by leony331 (1m 6s), 73,937 views, 790 likes and 2 dislikes. Uploaded 2009-05-03T14:40:07.000Z.
   -: brycec is done hating himself
   m0unds: hahahah
   
 nice
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   mnathani: what is the typical amount of time after placing a call using a voip service like voip.ms that the phone on the other side starts ringing?
   
 other side is a cellphone (non voip)
   
 the voip.ms pop is 10ms away
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   mkb: I've never used voip.me, but through Flowroute it's more or less instant
   
 to call a landline. cell phones usually take a second or two
   brycec: 2-10 seconds
   
 (my experience with cellphones)
   
 (because I don't have a landline to call)
   mnathani: takes me around 20 seconds
   brycec: <1 second from voip.ms to voip.ms in the same pop
   mercutio: it's about 2 to 4 seconds normally mnathani
   
 but it can depend on interconnect/switching systems a lot
   
 same as with legacy phone, calling some places can take an insane amount of time, and tends to be worse internationally.
   staticsafe: aye
   mercutio: bryce: i imagine voip systems are actually quicker than non voip.
   
 in general.
   
 sometimes you hear it changing too
   
 now i have to test it
   mnathani: there is an SPA3102 connected to an analog phone which uses a voip.ms account << which is originating the call
   
 not sure if that changes anything
   mercutio: 4 or 5 seconds just now
   
 then 7 or 8 seconds the second time.
   
 wow
   
 that's landline to cell
   
 and going off the ring of cell rather than of phone
   
 3 seconds other way around
   
 but it rung on cell before that
   
 also strangely my cell isn't showing all the callerid information
   
 i wonder if cell being slow is partially because the phone falls asleep
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   m0unds: calling my voip.ms line via at&t mobility, it rings within 2 seconds of starting the call on my cell
   
 and it rings in my office before i hear the ringing tone on the mobile
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   m0unds: HAW HAW BRYCEBOT UR SO GUD
   mnathani: BryceBot: no
   BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'and it rings in my office before i hear the ringing tone on the mobile'
   m0unds: same w/flowroute and vitelity
   mnathani: thats pstn to voip?
   m0unds: yes
   mnathani: how about voip to pstn?
   m0unds: too lazy to get the device and dial out
   
 it's upstairs
   
 i'm 9ms from the pop i use in denver
   
 on voip.ms anyway
   
 17ms to vitelity and similar to flowroute
   mercutio: m0unds: do you also get longer delay calling cell from voip?
   
 i'd never really paid attention or noticed before
   m0unds: not that i've noticed
   
 it terminates quickly
   mnathani: which voip provider has best call quality?
   mercutio: it was only when i tried :)
   
 mnathani: they're all the same pretty much
   
 ie terrible.
   m0unds: the codec used on a mobile is likely going to sound shittier than voup
   mercutio: as long as you use g711 through you're doing the best you can pretty much.
   m0unds: voip
   mnathani: I would be willing to pay more for a premium service
   m0unds: for most networks anyway
   mercutio: m0unds: exactly.
   
 and everyone uses mobile
   
 skype works way better :)
   m0unds: tmo and at&t sound ok, sprint and verizon both sound like ass in nm at least
   mercutio: they're introducing hd voice here, but not between providers :(
   
 i wonder how hd voice to landline would be
   
 or to voip
   m0unds: that's so lame
   
 i guess it's probably a pain to switch it bw providers vs calls on the same provider
   
 maybe in the future
   mercutio: well we have 3 mobile providers here and only 2 of them are doing hd voice.
   brycec: Fun fact: my watch shows the incoming call notification before my phone actually rings, by several seconds.
   mercutio: yeah i'm hoping.  can you do hd voice between providers there?
   m0unds: brycec: fancy. which watch?
   brycec: Pebble
   m0unds: i like the displays on those
   mercutio: is that a smart watch?
   brycec: Yes
   m0unds: i'd have a hard time giving up my beat up old g-shock though
   mercutio: i kind of read up a bit about smart watches, and they looked like they may be good in the future
   brycec: (so the call has reached my cell phone, in order to be pushed to my watch, before the phone rings)
   mercutio: and that the samsung one was pretty good but samsung specific.
   
 how do you find having a smart watch in general?
   brycec: lol "hdvoice landline" there are technical limitations...
   mercutio: brycec: well voip..
   brycec: (inherent to electrical telephony and the systems built around it)
   mercutio: brycec: but ther eisn't really.
   
 the codecs better than gsm.
   
 or whatever codec is being used normally
   
 so even if it's terminating at 8k it'll still be better.
   brycec: There isn't a codec in in landline phones until the wiring is terminated, and by then it's fairly meh
   
 (source: I design telephony equipment at my day job)
   mercutio: brycec: i'm talknig about the codecs on mobile networks.
   brycec: But I wasn't :p
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   brycec: BryceBot: no
   BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'But I wasn't :p'
   brycec: mercutio: Smartwatch is pretty handy, I like it a lot.
   mercutio: BryceBot: well i was trying to say that hd voice should still help, even if terminating on boring old isdn.
   
 uhh what, why does bryce<tab> terminate to the bot grr.
   brycec: Blame your client :p
   mercutio: maybe the bot should be called botbryice.
   brycec: I think that gives the wrong impression
   m0unds: i get brycec before BryceBot
   
 weechat knows (tm)
   brycec: I get BryceBot, but then... I am brycec
   m0unds: you shouldn't be speaking to yourself
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   brycec: weechat is configurable to tab-complete with whomever spoke recently.
   mercutio: m0unds: i'm using weechat.
   m0unds: yea, i think it does it by default
   mercutio: oh now i get brycec, weird.
   m0unds: haha
   mercutio: oh maybe that's what's happening
   
 how do we make bot talk
   m0unds: i want a big sausage
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   brycec: BryceBot: o/
   BryceBot: o
   mercutio: BryceBot:
   brycec: Hi BryceBot
   BryceBot: Hello to you too, brycec
   mercutio: yip
   
 you got it
   brycec: etc
   mercutio: when brycebot talks most recently it tabl completes to him
   
 and you never know when he'll talk !
   
 where i have the most call quality issues is when hitting ivr systems and going international normally.
   brycec: s/he/it/
   BryceBot: <mercutio> witre i have tit most call quality issues is witn hitting ivr systems and going international normally.
   mercutio: or otherwise being shit.
   
 haha
   brycec: lol
   m0unds: s/tit/bananas
   mercutio: s/l/s/
   BryceBot: <brycec> sos
   brycec: my point being that BryceBot is an "it"
   mercutio: with a name like bryce?
   brycec: it's a name like "BryceBot"
   
 PS "bryce" is an androgynous name, equally male and female
   m0unds: s/Bryce/Potato
   BryceBot: <brycec> it's a name like "PotatoBot"
   mercutio: oh really.  i didn't realise that.
   brycec: lol m0unds you need to move to Boise...
   mercutio: it's always male around here
   m0unds: considere dit
   
 considered also
   brycec: eww, m0unds
   m0unds: kidding
   
 haha
   mercutio: interesting
   
 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bryce
   brycec: mercutio: It's always been male around my house too :P But apparently it's a woman's name too
   BryceBot: Urban Dictionary: "bryce" bryce
   
 a guy who is excellent in bed, and you are amazed of his capabilities
   brycec: @ud Bryce
   BryceBot: Bryce: a guy who is excellent in bed, and you are amazed of his capabilities <2007-11-11T00:00:00+00:00> Example: "That guy last night was a bryce for sure"
   brycec: @wiki Bryce Dallas Howard
   BryceBot: Bryce Dallas Howard :: Bryce Dallas Howard (born March 2, 1981) is an American film actress, writer and director. The daughter of director Ron Howard, she made her acting debut in her father's film Parenthood (1989) and went on to have small roles in films and make stage appearances for the next several years. During this time she also attended New York University's Tisch School of... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce%20Dallas%20Howard
   mercutio: most names are terrible from memory on ud
   brycec: @ud mercutio
   BryceBot: mercutio: The best character in Romeo in Juliet.rMakes fun of Romeo by saying he puts his penis into a woman's vagina. Not literally. Here's the excerpt:rMercutio: Why, is it not this better now than groaning for love? Now art thou sociable, now art thou Romeo, now art thout what thou art, by art as well as by nature. For this driveling love is like a great natural that runs lolling up and down to hide his bauble (penis) in a hole (vagina). <20
   brycec: @ud m0unds
   BryceBot: Error, No definitions could be found for: m0unds
   -: m0unds is a winner
   mercutio: @ud mounds
   BryceBot: mounds: on a woman, the soft pad of fat over the pubic bone, just above the vulva <2003-12-09T00:00:00+00:00> Example: "at the last moment, I pulled it out and ejaculated onto her mound"
   m0unds: s/winner/something-unflattering
   BryceBot: >>> m0unds is a something-unflattering
   m0unds: wonderful
   
 hahaha
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   mnathani: @ud up_the_irons
   BryceBot: Error, No definitions could be found for: up_the_irons
   mnathani: @ud Garry
   BryceBot: Garry: Racist term for asian migrants living in a western country. rStruggle with the local language with a thick accent. Often use an adopted 'western' first name and use their birth name as a middle name. <2006-04-18T00:00:00+00:00> Example: ""Have you met the new garry's living in our street? Michael and Rebecca Chang are their names"."
   mnathani: @ud Dolley
   BryceBot: Dolley: Puttin a girl on a dolley andstaping her down. Doin her and rollin her around the house. <2007-05-05T00:00:00+00:00> Example: "I gave the bitch a dolley and left her out in the garage."
   mercutio: mnathani: that's the kind of unflattering stuff you expect from ud.
   JC_Denton: probably a dumb question, but is it possible to get an 8 GB (RAM) VM? or is that crossing into dedi territory?
   mnathani: JC_Denton: interesting question
   
 I know dedi at ARP start at 8 GB
   
 any reason why you don't want a dedicated box ?
   brycec: What's more is that a 4GB VPS is $80/mo, an 8GB dedi is $129/mo (plus more disk space, CPU, bw, etc)
   mnathani: although dedicated the disk is not RAID / redundant by default
   
 VPS disk is on a RAID 10 array
   brycec: But dedi you can get an SSD
   
 JC_Denton: To build the largest VPS up to 8GB will end up costing you $160/mo ($80 base + 16 * 256MB @ $5/mo), or an 8GB ded is $129/mo. You're probably better off with the dedicate box if you really do need 8GB RAM.
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   mnathani: brycec: perhaps up_the_irons can build a custom VPS with better pricing than base + addons with that much RAM
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   mercutio: JC_Denton: i'd go dedicated with 8gb of ram anyway myself.
   
 then you can get 16gb even
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   JC_Denton: yeah, dedi is my current thought - i was just curious though since i had seen some providers with 8 gb VMs
   mercutio: yaeh some do
   
 usually it's in a hybrid situation for such things
   
 you could probably get it if requesting it
   
 there are certain advantages to vm's.
   
 like if the node has an issue, you don't have to do as much
   mnathani: you could run your own Virtual Instance on top of the dedicated box, giving you more control and ability to snapshot, clone etc
   mercutio: that's what i'm doing mnathani  ;)
   
 i have xen on arp dedicated.
   mnathani: kvm?
   
 ahh
   mercutio: i been using xen for years.
   
 i prefer kvm if having no root
   
 and so i can run openbsd for my personal vm
   
 but if you just want to run virtual machines and have basic node access xen is fine.
   mnathani: what os is the host
   mercutio: ubuntu
   mnathani: or is xen a bare metal hypervisor
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   mnathani: BryceBot: no
   BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'or is xen a bare metal hypervisor'
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   mercutio: xen is bare metal hypervisor
   
 but you still have dom0
   
 that controls file systems etc
   
 i'm using zfs on linux
   
 i used to use opensolaris/xen with zfs.
   mnathani: any RAID ?
   mercutio: 3 hard-disks
   
 i think
   
 yeah 3x1tb.
   
 raid 10 at start of disk
   
 then zfs
   
 in raidz
   
 i'm hardly using any disk space it seems atm.
   mnathani: is OpenSolaris still maintained / any good?
   mercutio: you raise your iops with 3 disks.
   
 mnathani: no
   
 mnathani: that's why i'm using linux now.
   
 but before oracle i used opensolaris for a while
   mnathani: you folllowing the systemd vs init discussion?
   mercutio: yes
   
 i use arch linux at home
   
 i hate sytemctl but kind of like it
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   mercutio: it's kind of like saying you like windows.
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   mercutio: or that apple has nice hardware.
   
 systemctl is pretty cool, but it can be damn annnoying.
   
 i still get confused by it
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   mercutio: i always liked /etc/rc.local myself
   
 and /etc/rc.conf
   
 there's something blaringly obvious about having everything that's happening in a small space.
   
 it's kind of like that feeling when you can look at a perl script and it's only one page
   
 vs one that's 20 pages.
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   mercutio: you're not looking for what's relevant, it's right there in front of you.
   
 where systemctl is cool is things like:
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   mercutio: systemd-analyze blame
   
 and without blame
   
 Startup finished in 3.441s (firmware) + 5.265s (loader) + 2.908s (kernel) + 11.470s (userspace) = 23.085s
   
 i kind of think that things are getting a bit too complicated though.
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
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