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| Arenlor | Anyone know when the next server creation time is? | [04:22] |
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| up_the_irons | Arenlor: it's going to be today
Arenlor: i know your order is still in the queue, I'm trying to get through everything now... :) | [05:39] |
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| Arenlor | Cool, love your service, still say you need a referal link thing. | [06:03] |
| up_the_irons | referral tracking takes a little bit of coding, just don't got time to do it... maybe i should put our website on github and someone can send a pull request with the code ;) | [06:05] |
| Arenlor | Incoming link > set cookie > update db? | [06:05] |
| up_the_irons | our site is static, so there is no db
(the portal, however, is different) | [06:07] |
| Arenlor | Then even simpler really, just give us all a referal ID that can be entered on the signup form.
I'm just interested in how many of the people I send your way have signed up. | [06:08] |
| up_the_irons | your referral ID can just be your name and the referral puts it in the additional comments section :)
this has actually been done regularly | [06:13] |
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| mnathani | how is physicall security generally maintained in a meet me room? Isnt there a whole lot of equipment from various providers and carriers present? Like who makes sure the proper connections are being made? | [18:06] |
| mercutio | some of them are locked for switches, and only certain people can plug into the switches | [18:09] |
| up_the_irons | all equipment is generally in locked cabs
fancier MMRs have a MDF (main distribution frame) in a locked cage | [18:09] |
| mercutio | oh i thought meet me room meant like core interconnect switches for things like easyany2ix or whatever.
lots of people have slack secrutiy tbh but there are cameras etc. | [18:09] |
| up_the_irons | but if you've seen pics of something like One Wilshire's 4th floor MMR (the original one), you will notice there is probably no security at all ;) | [18:10] |
| brycec | Much like the Internet - as long as nobody fucks up their BGP announce too bad... | [18:10] |
| mercutio | well if you have anywhere with lots of different contractors there's going to be gaps in security at times.
but you can't just go in off street. like up_the_irons could probably walk around and find someones cabinet not locked. also even with a locked cabinet, you could cause problems by throwing some water into the gear i'm sure. | [18:10] |
| m0unds | that's why you should only buy submersible equipment | [18:12] |
| mercutio | so it's good that anyone off street can't go in
otherwise some drunk might thing that was a good idea | [18:12] |
| brycec | m0unds: added bonus: No need to worry about the type of fire suppression/sprinkler system :D | [18:13] |
| mercutio | that said for phone lines here there are these pairs of cables that connect to other pairs of cable out on the street
no protection at all. | [18:13] |
| m0unds | saving money on all fronts | [18:13] |
| mercutio | years back people used to steal peoples phone line and make calls.
there's still no real protection. | [18:14] |
| brycec | lol yup | [18:14] |
| mercutio | but it doesn't seem to create mass issues. | [18:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | insane. | [18:15] |
| mercutio | the biggest "hacking" that used to be common here was just doing pulse mode dialing on public phone booths. | [18:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | Just TODAY.... the fiji government decides DST begins 2 Nov, not 26 October.
WTF | [18:15] |
| mercutio | you could just pulse the receiver for a phone number and dial
randal: wow, huge warning. | [18:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | I guess they don't care about international flight schedules, or conf calls, or smart phones, or PCs... | [18:16] |
| mercutio | i find dst being non synced between countries annoying | [18:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | even within countries | [18:16] |
| mercutio | yeh. | [18:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | southern mexico changes this weekend
northern mexico changes with US | [18:16] |
| mercutio | california switches between 3 to 4 to 5 hours difference from me.
3 hours is a lot easier than 5. well actually it's nearly a day difference | [18:16] |
| m0unds | was gonna say, haha | [18:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | just read this to see the insanity: http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/events.html | [18:17] |
| mercutio | it's easier to think of it as 3/4/5
like +4 hours, take away a day. | [18:17] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [18:18] |
| mercutio | is easier than 20 hours behind. | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | and that's not even updated yet for the Fiji thing
Oooh... actually it is. they're GOOD. | [18:18] |
| mercutio | for some reason my skype used to give out a weird time for me. it's accurate now.
but windows always had the right time. skype just had it's own idea. oh wow randal that link is crazy | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | now you see what I face when scheduling floss weekly
I have to be VERY VERY CAREFUL when I talk about "8:30am pacific time" | [18:19] |
| mercutio | so does this mean only miami in florida changes not all of florida? | [18:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | "which right now is GMT - 7"
no - miami is just representative | [18:19] |
| mercutio | ok | [18:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | "example locations"
that's from the olson database | [18:20] |
| mercutio | oh right. | [18:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | for example, "America/Los_Angeles" is the timezone we call "pacific time" | [18:20] |
| mercutio | isn't california diff in different cities? | [18:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - thank goodness all of cali is same timezone :) | [18:21] |
| mercutio | oh, maybe i thought it was because i was reading about sales tax. | [18:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | but oregon has a few cities in idaho's timezone | [18:21] |
| mercutio | omg, sales tax in california sounded so confusing | [18:21] |
| m0unds | haha | [18:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | sales tax in general is evil | [18:22] |
| m0unds | yea
it varies location to location | [18:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - the only fair tax to business is income tax
and as a business, I object to sales tax | [18:22] |
| m0unds | in my city, it's 7.something percent, in the city to my north, it's 6.something, and in the state capital it's 8.something | [18:22] |
| mercutio | heh exactly m0unds | [18:22] |
| m0unds | RandalSchwartz: i was referring to mercutio saying it was confusing. | [18:23] |
| mercutio | i wouldn't know any of this stuff if it wasn't for the internet. | [18:23] |
| brycec | sales tax in my neck of Washington is around 7.x%, or I drive 5 minutes over to Idaho where it's 6.x% :D | [18:23] |
| mercutio | i think they should just standardise it across the state.
sales tax is 15% flat here. which is too high :( | [18:23] |
| brycec | Well the state's tax is standardised, but then the county and the city also add their taxes... | [18:23] |
| m0unds | yea | [18:23] |
| mercutio | it's always disconcerting when tax type things go up
it always feels like you're losing lots of money with no control. here they recently raised water taxes, and it's kind of disconcerting to pay for water. | [18:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's still wrong
a VAT is a lot more fair than a Sales Tax but an income tax is more fair still | [18:24] |
| mercutio | but like people bitch about the cost of internet, when the cost of water is like the same.
and the cost of power is much higher. power has also been going up in cost. but for some reason people seem to think that the cost of internet is much less static. | [18:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | VAT = tax that buyer pays on the difference between sellers cost and sellers price
income tax = tax that seller pays on difference between sellers cost and sellers price sales tax = tax that buyers *and* sellers pay on price it's a tax on tax | [18:25] |
| mercutio | randal: here we've also got taxes on thinks like accident insurance.
which doesn't depend on what you do for work. where working in a factory you're more likely to have an accident than office job etc. | [18:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | well... more precisely... sales tax is tax seller pays on seller cost and buyer pays on sellers price
your upstream cost includes taxes you can't recoup so if something changes hands five times, that 10% is taken out five times admittedly, different levels each time | [18:27] |
| mercutio | ouch. | [18:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | so the total tax isn't a function of GDP | [18:29] |
| mercutio | you can reclaim our sales tax here if you're a business.
but you still have to pay it. | [18:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's a function of money changing hands | [18:29] |
| mercutio | it's complicated.
ie i don't really understand it. | [18:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | right... but I buy some things in california to use in oregon, I pay california sales tax. there's no place to get that back.
even though I may resell it in oregon | [18:29] |
| mercutio | can you buy over internet and not pay it.
we avoid tax when we buy stuff from overseas atm. unless it's over $400 nzd, which is like $320 usd. which has to include shipping cost. i think that's becoming a global debate these days. | [18:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | anyway... just came here to bitch about fiji | [18:31] |
| mercutio | avoiding tax by buying from other places.
heh. fiji is pretty backward in gneeral isn't it? like it's kind of a lax place, where most people are pretty chill, then some power hungry people make random decisions. | [18:31] |
| brycec | @exch 400 NZD USD | [18:32] |
| BryceBot | 400 NZD -> 318.62532290685 USD (as of Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:00:48 -0700) | [18:32] |
| mercutio | bryce: i was close enough, :) | [18:33] |
| brycec | Yep! I was just curious
goodj ob | [18:33] |
| mercutio | i've been looking at video cards on amazon..
the shipping cost pushes over the edge of $300 cards. :( http://www.amazon.com/Asus-R9290-DC2OC-4GD5-ASUS-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00HWQUI02/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1413855257&sr=8-2&keywords=r9+290 | [18:33] |
| BryceBot | Amazon: "ASUS Graphics Cards R9290-DC2OC-4GD5" | [18:34] |
| mercutio | like that
if only it was $20 USD cheaper, instead of having US-only $20 rebate. | [18:34] |
| brycec | I don't know what shipping cost you're talking about, it shows free shipping to me >.>
<.< | [18:35] |
| mercutio | it used to be free shipping here too | [18:35] |
| brycec | brycec is being a smartass | [18:35] |
| mercutio | it's like $26 or something now
i started using amazon more when they had free shipping to new zealnad :) | [18:35] |
| brycec | Wow, free kiwi shipping, I'm surprised
Congrats on having had that | [18:36] |
| mercutio | i want it back
it's $28.34 for shipping now! but they want to charge import fees deposit prices should come down anyway. | [18:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | does kiwi shippping involve no flying? :)
I understand they are flightless | [18:37] |
| mercutio | heh
you don't exactly see kiwis :) you see more hedgehogs than kiwis | [18:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | maybe out of the corner of your eye, when you're not really looking for them | [18:38] |
| mercutio | you hear hedgehogs before you see them normally
do you have hedgehogs there? | [18:38] |
| brycec | Only on tumblr *rimshot* | [18:38] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [18:42] |
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