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| mercutio | is roadrunner on the list of isp's with issues?
or is roadrunner just a shitty isp? :) mercutio knows nothign of the US market | [01:41] |
| acf_ | according to the Wikipedia for Time Warner Cable Internet
"Time Warner Cable Internet was previously known as Road Runner High Speed Online." | [01:44] |
| mercutio | oh
that's on the list of dodgy isp's right | [01:46] |
| acf_ | I think so | [01:46] |
| mercutio | yeah
it was to home, rather than to arp but i was skyping with someone, and the list two hops to ehri ip had some massive lag spikes 15. agg1.lsaicaev01r.socal.rr.com 0.1% 1913 184.5 160.5 153.5 206.7 7.8 16. tge9-3.tjngcaac01h.socal.rr.com 0.0% 1913 170.6 158.7 153.6 211.5 7.5 17. tge17-10.tjngcaac01m.socal.rr.com 0.0% 1913 191.3 210.0 181.0 2046. 118.8 like that i didn't include their ip | [01:46] |
| acf_ | oh wow
btw brycec has a TWC slave on his smokeping he posts it publicly right? definitely congested to ARP | [01:47] |
| mercutio | smokeping cdoesn't always show well
but there are basically huge spikes | [01:50] |
| acf_ | same thing on Verizon DSL here | [01:50] |
| mercutio | ahh
so like when using skype it was breaking up and being annoying i wouldn't normally care | [01:50] |
| acf_ | yeah that kind of stuff really kills voip
Verizon's DSL is congested here btw | [01:51] |
| mercutio | it doesn't seem lossy though | [01:52] |
| acf_ | like within Verizon | [01:52] |
| mercutio | oh
also it shouldn't be 180/210/whatever msec to los angeles it's 13 msec from arp 16 msec averag hmm i dunno | [01:52] |
| acf_ | looking at the smokeping? | [01:53] |
| mercutio | does tjng mean some location
nah looking at the mtr to this person | [01:53] |
| meingtsla | tujunga canyon maybe | [01:53] |
| acf_ | oh I see | [01:53] |
| meingtsla | which is basically still in the la metro area | [01:54] |
| acf_ | ie, twc has backbone congestion... | [01:54] |
| mercutio | meingtsla: ahh
meingtsla: ok | [01:54] |
| acf_ | on Verizon:
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping/images/Remote/verizon-snloca~ec2.acfsys.net_last_864000.png http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping/images/Remote/verizon-snloca-dsl~ec2.acfsys.net_last_864000.png both hops are in the same city (same building actually) except (not visible on the smokeping) sometimes you get spikes up in the 2000ms range :/ | [01:56] |
| mercutio | Acf: Like I saw. Interesting.
This is why I think smokeping is flawed :) | [01:59] |
| acf_ | any idea where they might come from?
I think Verizon might have really big packet queues somewhere because if you're downloading something, the latency shoots way up so maybe if something on the connection creates bursts of network traffic periodicaly, it could cause the short 2000ms spikes | [02:00] |
| mercutio | ahh.
That sucks. Is that on download as well as upload. I wish I was in a position to fix all of these kinds of issues hah. | [02:03] |
| acf_ | I can only recall download having issues, although I'm sure upload probably did too
I was thinking about doing a tunnel over it, and doing traffic shaping on that to see if I can keep the Verizon queues mostly empty but the latency sucks so bad anyway, it wasn't worth it imo | [02:04] |
| mercutio | Oh yip | [02:06] |
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| mercutio | interestnig.
so he's on socal.res.rr.com too | [02:09] |
| acf_ | latency doesn't look bad to him though | [02:12] |
| mercutio | yeah but it's after midnight now isn't it? | [02:12] |
| acf_ | ah yes | [02:12] |
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| acf_ | ok, just confirmed on my Verizon DSL line
currently downloading a file latency is constant 1500ms rather than 70ms otherwise | [02:21] |
| mercutio | wow
that's really annoying | [02:21] |
| acf_ | yep | [02:21] |
| mercutio | do you have a static ip? | [02:21] |
| acf_ | no, Verizon doesn't offer them | [02:22] |
| mercutio | damn | [02:22] |
| acf_ | it also locks the DHCP lease to your MAC address
you have to unplug the modem and wait two hours, or call them to reset it | [02:22] |
| mercutio | screw that. | [02:25] |
| acf_ | exactly. that's why everyone uses Comcast
https://secure.dslreports.com/shownews/Listen-as-Comcast-Simply-Refuses-to-Let-You-Cancel-Service-129690 | [02:26] |
| mercutio | so i left this running and
worst ping of 26 seconds | [02:39] |
| acf_ | wow. that's great | [02:39] |
| mercutio | worst ping to hop before of 6 seconds.
i wonder if that's an area thing like something screws up quite close by | [02:39] |
| acf_ | do you see it on multiple hops?
if it's DSL, it could be noise on the line | [02:40] |
| mercutio | do roadrunner do dsl?
only on last and second to last hop | [02:40] |
| acf_ | hmm don't think so | [02:40] |
| mercutio | oh it was just bad again
and then 36 second wow | [02:41] |
| acf_ | just did the traffic shaping test | [02:41] |
| mercutio | and itw's 2 am or osmething isn't it | [02:41] |
| acf_ | it worked
yeah, it's 2:41 am here | [02:41] |
| mercutio | cool. | [02:43] |
| acf_ | looks like I can set the shaper up to around 2800kbit/s downstream | [02:49] |
| mercutio | cool.
Are you on VDSL? | [02:50] |
| acf_ | and the latency stays at 35ms
no, ADSL+ ADSL2 | [02:50] |
| mercutio | ok kilobits/sec
not killobytes/sec | [02:50] |
| acf_ | yeah | [02:50] |
| mercutio | 2.8 megabit isn't much
youhave what 3200 sync rate? | [02:50] |
| acf_ | not sure | [02:50] |
| mercutio | So probably attenuation of ilke 50db. | [02:51] |
| acf_ | I don't have access to the modem stats unfortunately | [02:51] |
| mercutio | oh that's strange. | [02:51] |
| acf_ | I probably could, if I had a Windows box and downloaded Westell's software | [02:51] |
| mercutio | Sounds complicated.
And you can't just plug another modem in? Because of the mac address crap. | [02:51] |
| acf_ | yeah
I'll un plug this one tonight, so I can plug in the one with the integrated router thingy tomorrow it's funny, I live like 1/4 mile from the CO, but Verizon isn't equipped with VDSL here so I can't have it | [02:51] |
| mercutio | you should be able to do much faster adsl speeds than that then.
i'm like 270 metres from cabinet. so i suppsoe similar distance Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 1016 Kbps, Downstream rate = 23509 Kbps and i sync at 23.5 megabit atm it seems down | [02:54] |
| acf_ | looks like I'm on the "3.1 to 7 Mbps" plan
3.1Mbps my ass I'll have to get those modem stats tomorrow when the MAC thing has reset *later today | [02:56] |
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| brycec | acf_ (and mercutio): Thing to remember about smokeping, and specifically those slaves is they're sitting on a connection shared by other servers. Backups, other users, etc all end up clogging the pipe :p It's why I have multiple slaves, not to show route health but the far-host health.
I will say however that my TWC connection is horribly congested. A fact they refuse to acknowledge whatsoever | [07:17] |
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| m0unds | 03:20:57 acf_ | currently downloading a file
03:21:06 acf_ | latency is constant 1500ms ^ this is why i use packet shaping | [07:44] |
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| brycec | heh
packet shaping can help, but there's still an upstream issue that can't be completely worked-around Same exact thing happens on my TWC connection | [08:01] |
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| mercutio | brycec: so twc suck. | [10:01] |
| brycec | so much | [10:07] |
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| forgotten | tickets only get worked during the week? | [10:45] |
| brycec | Nah, but sometimes up_the_irons takes time for his family
Give it 24h | [10:55] |
| forgotten | its been 46 :P | [11:01] |
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| m0unds | eh, local latency shouldn't really get hammered too bad unless upstream is still on twc
but i've never heard a good thing about twc. my dad hated them so much he went with centurylink over them, and CL is horrible | [13:58] |
| brycec | m0unds: my headend node is saturated. there's no escaping it, for me anyways.
and I'm a fucking "business class" customer but the SLA doesn't even guarantee in-network latency, just packet loss (and hint: it's not guaranteeing 0 loss either) Alas, the only alternative would be leased service (t1, fibre, whatever) and that's more than the budget will allow technically, the current connection is over the budget too, but it's still the cheapest Never been so assraped by an ISP 15/2 for $250/mo | [14:00] |
| m0unds | wow
well hey, if the comcast buyout works, you might be better off | [14:12] |
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| m0unds | since they actually buy equipment and stuff
i pay $144 after tax for 50/10 and a /29 | [14:13] |
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| acf_ | just got off the phone with intelligent life at Verizon earlier today
I had complained about the congestion between the DSL node I'm on and their core | [16:16] |
| sga0_ | Did you use that language? | [16:17] |
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| acf_ | not exactly
but they seemed legitimately interested in doing something about it and filed a ticket with whoever is responsible for the IP network part of it it's kind of neat, since it's just a consumer DSL line I don't even have an SLA or anything | [16:17] |
| sga0 | Nice
I've had good service with Verizon I'm on FIOS in Los Angeles | [16:19] |
| acf_ | oh cool. I wish we had FIOS here
usually I call the consumer DSL support line which I guess is a big mistake | [16:19] |
| sga0 | You called business support? | [16:20] |
| acf_ | I emailed them, and they called me back | [16:20] |
| sga0 | I'm sorry, but it's ambigious - business or consumer support? | [16:22] |
| acf_ | I'm not sure it was either, it was some guy at a Verizon office in New York
not like tech support or customer service or anything | [16:22] |
| sga0 | Weird | [16:23] |
| acf_ | teah
*yeah brycec: have you tried calling various parts of TWC? they might help you even if they don't have to? | [16:23] |
| brycec | have spoken with a couple parts
nope and I don't have time | [16:27] |
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| m0unds | if you do ze twittar, you can sometimes get instant escalation from avc providers if you msg them
s/avc/svc | [18:16] |
| BryceBot | <m0unds> if you do ze twittar, you can sometimes get instant escalation from svc providers if you msg them | [18:16] |
| m0unds | s/s/potato | [18:16] |
| BryceBot | <m0unds> if you do ze twittar, you can potatoometimepotato get inpotatotant epotatocalation from avc providerpotato if you mpotatog them | [18:16] |
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| CaZe | s/po/poop/ | [19:27] |
| BryceBot | <brycec> have spoopken with a couple parts | [19:27] |
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| brycec | speaking of, btw acf_ I have spoken with someone decent that acknowledged that things were oversubscribed. (And obviously, nobody's willing to spend money) | [19:47] |
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| mnathani | Anyone follow this story: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/07/04/1455200/qualcomm-takes-down-100-github-repositories-with-dmca-notice | [20:12] |
| brycec | I read it about at the time | [20:17] |
| mnathani | the part about targeting code that is in Linux and Android seems disturbing to me | [20:18] |
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| @smokeping | [22:51] | |
| BryceBot | https://smokeping.cobryce.com/ | [22:51] |
| mnathani | anything funky going on with the interwebs?
I am getting a bunch of : W: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found | [22:51] |
| toeshred | are you doing an apt-get update? | [22:52] |
| mnathani | yes | [22:52] |
| toeshred | maybe try again in like 5 mins
that usually works for me i've had that happen more lately myself actually on my home PC. | [22:52] |
| mnathani | toeshred: thanks, seems to be working now | [22:58] |
| toeshred | i'm not sure why, but updating seems less consistent than it used to be. | [22:59] |
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| brycec | mnathani: Yeah, funky intertubes wouldn't get you a 404, just an unfinished sync on the mirror.
(or other mirror woes) | [23:15] |
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