[01:41] is roadrunner on the list of isp's with issues? [01:42] or is roadrunner just a shitty isp? :) [01:42] * mercutio knows nothign of the US market [01:44] according to the Wikipedia for Time Warner Cable Internet [01:44] "Time Warner Cable Internet was previously known as Road Runner High Speed Online." [01:46] oh [01:46] that's on the list of dodgy isp's right [01:46] I think so [01:46] yeah [01:46] it was to home, rather than to arp [01:46] but i was skyping with someone, and the list two hops to ehri ip had some massive lag spikes [01:47] 15. agg1.lsaicaev01r.socal.rr.com 0.1% 1913 184.5 160.5 153.5 206.7 7.8 [01:47] 16. tge9-3.tjngcaac01h.socal.rr.com 0.0% 1913 170.6 158.7 153.6 211.5 7.5 [01:47] 17. tge17-10.tjngcaac01m.socal.rr.com 0.0% 1913 191.3 210.0 181.0 2046. 118.8 [01:47] like that [01:47] i didn't include their ip [01:47] oh wow [01:47] btw brycec has a TWC slave on his smokeping [01:48] he posts it publicly right? [01:49] definitely congested to ARP [01:50] smokeping cdoesn't always show well [01:50] but there are basically huge spikes [01:50] same thing on Verizon DSL here [01:50] ahh [01:50] so like when using skype [01:50] it was breaking up [01:50] and being annoying [01:50] i wouldn't normally care [01:51] yeah that kind of stuff really kills voip [01:52] Verizon's DSL is congested here btw [01:52] it doesn't seem lossy though [01:52] like within Verizon [01:52] oh [01:52] also [01:52] it shouldn't be 180/210/whatever msec to los angeles [01:52] it's 13 msec from arp [01:52] 16 msec averag [01:53] hmm [01:53] i dunno [01:53] looking at the smokeping? [01:53] does tjng mean some location [01:53] nah looking at the mtr [01:53] to this person [01:53] tujunga canyon maybe [01:53] oh I see [01:54] which is basically still in the la metro area [01:54] ie, twc has backbone congestion... [01:54] meingtsla: ahh [01:54] meingtsla: ok [01:56] on Verizon: [01:56] http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping/images/Remote/verizon-snloca~ec2.acfsys.net_last_864000.png [01:56] http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping/images/Remote/verizon-snloca-dsl~ec2.acfsys.net_last_864000.png [01:57] both hops are in the same city (same building actually) [01:58] except (not visible on the smokeping) sometimes you get spikes up in the 2000ms range :/ [01:59] Acf: Like I saw. Interesting. [01:59] This is why I think smokeping is flawed :) [02:00] any idea where they might come from? [02:00] I think Verizon might have really big packet queues somewhere [02:01] because if you're downloading something, the latency shoots way up [02:02] so maybe if something on the connection creates bursts of network traffic periodicaly, it could cause the short 2000ms spikes [02:03] ahh. [02:03] That sucks. [02:03] Is that on download as well as upload. [02:03] I wish I was in a position to fix all of these kinds of issues hah. [02:04] I can only recall download having issues, although I'm sure upload probably did too [02:04] I was thinking about doing a tunnel over it, and doing traffic shaping on that [02:05] to see if I can keep the Verizon queues mostly empty [02:05] but the latency sucks so bad anyway, it wasn't worth it imo [02:06] Oh yip [02:08] *** toeshred has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:09] interestnig. [02:09] so he's on socal.res.rr.com too [02:12] latency doesn't look bad to him though [02:12] yeah but it's after midnight now isn't it? [02:12] ah yes [02:19] *** toeshred has joined #arpnetworks [02:21] ok, just confirmed on my Verizon DSL line [02:21] currently downloading a file [02:21] latency is constant 1500ms [02:21] rather than 70ms otherwise [02:21] wow [02:21] that's really annoying [02:21] yep [02:21] do you have a static ip? [02:22] no, Verizon doesn't offer them [02:22] damn [02:22] it also locks the DHCP lease to your MAC address [02:22] you have to unplug the modem and wait two hours, or call them to reset it [02:25] screw that. [02:26] exactly. that's why everyone uses Comcast [02:26] https://secure.dslreports.com/shownews/Listen-as-Comcast-Simply-Refuses-to-Let-You-Cancel-Service-129690 [02:39] so i left this running and [02:39] worst ping of 26 seconds [02:39] wow. that's great [02:39] worst ping to hop before of 6 seconds. [02:39] i wonder if that's an area thing [02:39] like something screws up quite close by [02:40] do you see it on multiple hops? [02:40] if it's DSL, it could be noise on the line [02:40] do roadrunner do dsl? [02:40] only on last and second to last hop [02:40] hmm don't think so [02:41] oh it was just bad again [02:41] and then 36 second [02:41] wow [02:41] just did the traffic shaping test [02:41] and itw's 2 am or osmething isn't it [02:41] it worked [02:41] yeah, it's 2:41 am here [02:43] cool. [02:49] looks like I can set the shaper up to around 2800kbit/s downstream [02:50] cool. [02:50] Are you on VDSL? [02:50] and the latency stays at 35ms [02:50] no, ADSL+ [02:50] ADSL2 [02:50] ok kilobits/sec [02:50] not killobytes/sec [02:50] yeah [02:50] 2.8 megabit isn't much [02:50] youhave what 3200 sync rate? [02:50] not sure [02:51] So probably attenuation of ilke 50db. [02:51] I don't have access to the modem stats unfortunately [02:51] oh that's strange. [02:51] I probably could, if I had a Windows box and downloaded Westell's software [02:51] Sounds complicated. [02:51] And you can't just plug another modem in? [02:51] Because of the mac address crap. [02:51] yeah [02:52] I'll un plug this one tonight, so I can plug in the one with the integrated router thingy tomorrow [02:53] it's funny, I live like 1/4 mile from the CO, but Verizon isn't equipped with VDSL here so I can't have it [02:54] you should be able to do much faster adsl speeds than that then. [02:54] i'm like 270 metres from cabinet. [02:54] so i suppsoe similar distance [02:54] Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 1016 Kbps, Downstream rate = 23509 Kbps [02:55] and i sync at 23.5 megabit atm it seems down [02:56] looks like I'm on the "3.1 to 7 Mbps" plan [02:56] 3.1Mbps my ass [02:56] I'll have to get those modem stats tomorrow when the MAC thing has reset [02:56] *later today [06:21] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:23] *** isuldor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:24] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [06:24] *** isuldor has joined #arpnetworks [07:17] acf_ (and mercutio): Thing to remember about smokeping, and specifically those slaves is they're sitting on a connection shared by other servers. Backups, other users, etc all end up clogging the pipe :p It's why I have multiple slaves, not to show route health but the far-host health. [07:17] I will say however that my TWC connection is horribly congested. [07:18] A fact they refuse to acknowledge whatsoever [07:44] 03:20:57 acf_ | currently downloading a file [07:44] 03:21:06 acf_ | latency is constant 1500ms [07:44] ^ this is why i use packet shaping [08:01] heh [08:02] packet shaping can help, but there's still an upstream issue that can't be completely worked-around [08:02] Same exact thing happens on my TWC connection [10:01] brycec: so twc suck. [10:07] so much [10:45] tickets only get worked during the week? [10:55] Nah, but sometimes up_the_irons takes time for his family [10:55] Give it 24h [11:01] its been 46 :P [11:07] *** tabthorpe has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [13:58] eh, local latency shouldn't really get hammered too bad unless upstream is still on twc [13:59] but i've never heard a good thing about twc. my dad hated them so much he went with centurylink over them, and CL is horrible [14:00] m0unds: my headend node is saturated. there's no escaping it, for me anyways. [14:00] and I'm a fucking "business class" customer [14:01] but the SLA doesn't even guarantee in-network latency, just packet loss [14:01] (and hint: it's not guaranteeing 0 loss either) [14:02] Alas, the only alternative would be leased service (t1, fibre, whatever) and that's more than the budget will allow [14:02] technically, the current connection is over the budget too, but it's still the cheapest [14:03] Never been so assraped by an ISP [14:03] 15/2 for $250/mo [14:12] wow [14:13] well hey, if the comcast buyout works, you might be better off [14:13] *** forgotten has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [14:13] since they actually buy equipment and stuff [14:13] i pay $144 after tax for 50/10 and a /29 [14:14] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:24] *** forgotten has joined #arpnetworks [14:24] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has joined #arpnetworks [14:24] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:24] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has joined #arpnetworks [14:24] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Changing host) [14:24] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has joined #arpnetworks [14:53] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:05] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [15:19] *** pyvpx has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:16] just got off the phone with intelligent life at Verizon earlier today [16:17] I had complained about the congestion between the DSL node I'm on and their core [16:17] Did you use that language? [16:17] *** sga0_ is now known as sga0 [16:17] not exactly [16:17] but they seemed legitimately interested in doing something about it [16:18] and filed a ticket with whoever is responsible for the IP network part of it [16:18] it's kind of neat, since it's just a consumer DSL line [16:18] I don't even have an SLA or anything [16:19] Nice [16:19] I've had good service with Verizon [16:19] I'm on FIOS in Los Angeles [16:19] oh cool. I wish we had FIOS here [16:20] usually I call the consumer DSL support line [16:20] which I guess is a big mistake [16:20] You called business support? [16:20] I emailed them, and they called me back [16:22] I'm sorry, but it's ambigious - business or consumer support? [16:22] I'm not sure it was either, it was some guy at a Verizon office in New York [16:23] not like tech support or customer service or anything [16:23] Weird [16:23] teah [16:23] *yeah [16:27] brycec: have you tried calling various parts of TWC? [16:27] they might help you even if they don't have to? [16:27] have spoken with a couple parts [16:27] nope [16:27] and I don't have time [18:16] if you do ze twittar, you can sometimes get instant escalation from avc providers if you msg them [18:16] s/avc/svc [18:16] if you do ze twittar, you can sometimes get instant escalation from svc providers if you msg them [18:16] s/s/potato [18:16] if you do ze twittar, you can potatoometimepotato get inpotatotant epotatocalation from avc providerpotato if you mpotatog them [19:27] s/po/poop/ [19:27] have spoopken with a couple parts [19:47] speaking of, btw acf_ I have spoken with someone decent that acknowledged that things were oversubscribed. (And obviously, nobody's willing to spend money) [20:12] Anyone follow this story: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/07/04/1455200/qualcomm-takes-down-100-github-repositories-with-dmca-notice [20:17] I read it about at the time [20:18] the part about targeting code that is in Linux and Android seems disturbing to me [22:51] @smokeping [22:51] https://smokeping.cobryce.com/ [22:51] anything funky going on with the interwebs? [22:51] I am getting a bunch of : W: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [22:52] are you doing an apt-get update? [22:52] yes [22:52] maybe try again in like 5 mins [22:52] that usually works for me [22:53] i've had that happen more lately myself actually [22:54] on my home PC. [22:58] toeshred: thanks, seems to be working now [22:59] i'm not sure why, but updating seems less consistent than it used to be. [23:15] mnathani: Yeah, funky intertubes wouldn't get you a 404, just an unfinished sync on the mirror. [23:15] (or other mirror woes)