mercutio: or is roadrunner just a shitty isp? :) -: mercutio knows nothign of the US market acf_: according to the Wikipedia for Time Warner Cable Internet
"Time Warner Cable Internet was previously known as Road Runner High Speed Online." mercutio: oh
that's on the list of dodgy isp's right acf_: I think so mercutio: yeah
it was to home, rather than to arp
but i was skyping with someone, and the list two hops to ehri ip had some massive lag spikes
15. agg1.lsaicaev01r.socal.rr.com 0.1% 1913 184.5 160.5 153.5 206.7 7.8
16. tge9-3.tjngcaac01h.socal.rr.com 0.0% 1913 170.6 158.7 153.6 211.5 7.5
17. tge17-10.tjngcaac01m.socal.rr.com 0.0% 1913 191.3 210.0 181.0 2046. 118.8
like that
i didn't include their ip acf_: oh wow
btw brycec has a TWC slave on his smokeping
he posts it publicly right?
definitely congested to ARP mercutio: smokeping cdoesn't always show well
but there are basically huge spikes acf_: same thing on Verizon DSL here mercutio: ahh
so like when using skype
it was breaking up
and being annoying
i wouldn't normally care acf_: yeah that kind of stuff really kills voip
Verizon's DSL is congested here btw mercutio: it doesn't seem lossy though acf_: like within Verizon mercutio: oh
also
it shouldn't be 180/210/whatever msec to los angeles
it's 13 msec from arp
16 msec averag
hmm
i dunno acf_: looking at the smokeping? mercutio: does tjng mean some location
nah looking at the mtr
to this person meingtsla: tujunga canyon maybe acf_: oh I see meingtsla: which is basically still in the la metro area acf_: ie, twc has backbone congestion... mercutio: meingtsla: ahh
meingtsla: ok acf_: on Verizon:
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping/images/Remote/verizon-snloca~ec2.acfsys.net_last_864000.png
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping/images/Remote/verizon-snloca-dsl~ec2.acfsys.net_last_864000.png
both hops are in the same city (same building actually)
except (not visible on the smokeping) sometimes you get spikes up in the 2000ms range :/ mercutio: Acf: Like I saw. Interesting.
This is why I think smokeping is flawed :) acf_: any idea where they might come from?
I think Verizon might have really big packet queues somewhere
because if you're downloading something, the latency shoots way up
so maybe if something on the connection creates bursts of network traffic periodicaly, it could cause the short 2000ms spikes mercutio: ahh.
That sucks.
Is that on download as well as upload.
I wish I was in a position to fix all of these kinds of issues hah. acf_: I can only recall download having issues, although I'm sure upload probably did too
I was thinking about doing a tunnel over it, and doing traffic shaping on that
to see if I can keep the Verizon queues mostly empty
but the latency sucks so bad anyway, it wasn't worth it imo mercutio: Oh yip ***: toeshred has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) mercutio: interestnig.
so he's on socal.res.rr.com too acf_: latency doesn't look bad to him though mercutio: yeah but it's after midnight now isn't it? acf_: ah yes ***: toeshred has joined #arpnetworks acf_: ok, just confirmed on my Verizon DSL line
currently downloading a file
latency is constant 1500ms
rather than 70ms otherwise mercutio: wow
that's really annoying acf_: yep mercutio: do you have a static ip? acf_: no, Verizon doesn't offer them mercutio: damn acf_: it also locks the DHCP lease to your MAC address
you have to unplug the modem and wait two hours, or call them to reset it mercutio: screw that. acf_: exactly. that's why everyone uses Comcast
https://secure.dslreports.com/shownews/Listen-as-Comcast-Simply-Refuses-to-Let-You-Cancel-Service-129690 mercutio: so i left this running and
worst ping of 26 seconds acf_: wow. that's great mercutio: worst ping to hop before of 6 seconds.
i wonder if that's an area thing
like something screws up quite close by acf_: do you see it on multiple hops?
if it's DSL, it could be noise on the line mercutio: do roadrunner do dsl?
only on last and second to last hop acf_: hmm don't think so mercutio: oh it was just bad again
and then 36 second
wow acf_: just did the traffic shaping test mercutio: and itw's 2 am or osmething isn't it acf_: it worked
yeah, it's 2:41 am here mercutio: cool. acf_: looks like I can set the shaper up to around 2800kbit/s downstream mercutio: cool.
Are you on VDSL? acf_: and the latency stays at 35ms
no, ADSL+
ADSL2 mercutio: ok kilobits/sec
not killobytes/sec acf_: yeah mercutio: 2.8 megabit isn't much
youhave what 3200 sync rate? acf_: not sure mercutio: So probably attenuation of ilke 50db. acf_: I don't have access to the modem stats unfortunately mercutio: oh that's strange. acf_: I probably could, if I had a Windows box and downloaded Westell's software mercutio: Sounds complicated.
And you can't just plug another modem in?
Because of the mac address crap. acf_: yeah
I'll un plug this one tonight, so I can plug in the one with the integrated router thingy tomorrow
it's funny, I live like 1/4 mile from the CO, but Verizon isn't equipped with VDSL here so I can't have it mercutio: you should be able to do much faster adsl speeds than that then.
i'm like 270 metres from cabinet.
so i suppsoe similar distance
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 1016 Kbps, Downstream rate = 23509 Kbps
and i sync at 23.5 megabit atm it seems down acf_: looks like I'm on the "3.1 to 7 Mbps" plan
3.1Mbps my ass
I'll have to get those modem stats tomorrow when the MAC thing has reset
*later today ***: hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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I will say however that my TWC connection is horribly congested.
A fact they refuse to acknowledge whatsoever m0unds: 03:20:57 acf_ | currently downloading a file
03:21:06 acf_ | latency is constant 1500ms
^ this is why i use packet shaping brycec: heh
packet shaping can help, but there's still an upstream issue that can't be completely worked-around
Same exact thing happens on my TWC connection mercutio: brycec: so twc suck. brycec: so much forgotten: tickets only get worked during the week? brycec: Nah, but sometimes up_the_irons takes time for his family
Give it 24h forgotten: its been 46 :P ***: tabthorpe has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) m0unds: eh, local latency shouldn't really get hammered too bad unless upstream is still on twc
but i've never heard a good thing about twc. my dad hated them so much he went with centurylink over them, and CL is horrible brycec: m0unds: my headend node is saturated. there's no escaping it, for me anyways.
and I'm a fucking "business class" customer
but the SLA doesn't even guarantee in-network latency, just packet loss
(and hint: it's not guaranteeing 0 loss either)
Alas, the only alternative would be leased service (t1, fibre, whatever) and that's more than the budget will allow
technically, the current connection is over the budget too, but it's still the cheapest
Never been so assraped by an ISP
15/2 for $250/mo m0unds: wow
well hey, if the comcast buyout works, you might be better off ***: forgotten has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) m0unds: since they actually buy equipment and stuff
i pay $144 after tax for 50/10 and a /29 ***: KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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pyvpx has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) acf_: just got off the phone with intelligent life at Verizon earlier today
I had complained about the congestion between the DSL node I'm on and their core sga0_: Did you use that language? ***: sga0_ is now known as sga0 acf_: not exactly
but they seemed legitimately interested in doing something about it
and filed a ticket with whoever is responsible for the IP network part of it
it's kind of neat, since it's just a consumer DSL line
I don't even have an SLA or anything sga0: Nice
I've had good service with Verizon
I'm on FIOS in Los Angeles acf_: oh cool. I wish we had FIOS here
usually I call the consumer DSL support line
which I guess is a big mistake sga0: You called business support? acf_: I emailed them, and they called me back sga0: I'm sorry, but it's ambigious - business or consumer support? acf_: I'm not sure it was either, it was some guy at a Verizon office in New York
not like tech support or customer service or anything sga0: Weird acf_: teah
*yeah
brycec: have you tried calling various parts of TWC?
they might help you even if they don't have to? brycec: have spoken with a couple parts
nope
and I don't have time m0unds: if you do ze twittar, you can sometimes get instant escalation from avc providers if you msg them
s/avc/svc BryceBot: <m0unds> if you do ze twittar, you can sometimes get instant escalation from svc providers if you msg them m0unds: s/s/potato BryceBot: <m0unds> if you do ze twittar, you can potatoometimepotato get inpotatotant epotatocalation from avc providerpotato if you mpotatog them CaZe: s/po/poop/ BryceBot: <brycec> have spoopken with a couple parts brycec: speaking of, btw acf_ I have spoken with someone decent that acknowledged that things were oversubscribed. (And obviously, nobody's willing to spend money) mnathani: Anyone follow this story: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/07/04/1455200/qualcomm-takes-down-100-github-repositories-with-dmca-notice brycec: I read it about at the time mnathani: the part about targeting code that is in Linux and Android seems disturbing to me
@smokeping BryceBot: https://smokeping.cobryce.com/ mnathani: anything funky going on with the interwebs?
I am getting a bunch of : W: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found toeshred: are you doing an apt-get update? mnathani: yes toeshred: maybe try again in like 5 mins
that usually works for me
i've had that happen more lately myself actually
on my home PC. mnathani: toeshred: thanks, seems to be working now toeshred: i'm not sure why, but updating seems less consistent than it used to be. brycec: mnathani: Yeah, funky intertubes wouldn't get you a 404, just an unfinished sync on the mirror.
(or other mirror woes)