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| brycec | If you're looking for a laugh, I suggest http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/why-is-netflix-buffering-dispelling-the-congestion-myth
And Level3's response http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/verizons-accidental-mea-culpa/ | [16:07] |
| m0unds | hahaha, yeah | [16:07] |
| brycec | "After receiving the letter, our network operations team studied the network connection" What were they doing before that, sitting on their hands? | [16:08] |
| m0unds | they had to be hired | [16:08] |
| brycec | "Lights blinking? Check." | [16:09] |
| m0unds | yeah
THIS DOOHICKEY LOOKS GUD GUYZ | [16:09] |
| brycec | "Instead, Netflix chose to attempt to deliver that traffic to Verizon through a few third-party transit providers with limited capacity" Uhhhuh because Netflix totally has something to gain by picking shitty providers to provide shitty service to their customers. | [16:09] |
| m0unds | their NOC is staffed by union line techs who were promoted from within | [16:09] |
| brycec | Touche ;) | [16:10] |
| m0unds | netflix does use a lot of tata | [16:10] |
| brycec | "new, direct connections from Netflix to Verizon’s network" I suspect delivered by Level3 | [16:10] |
| m0unds | yeah, hahaha | [16:10] |
| brycec | No argument, Netflix is heavy. | [16:10] |
| m0unds | HEAVY BRAH | [16:11] |
| staticsafe | do you even route brah | [16:11] |
| brycec | Thanks to ARP, I've learned quite a bit about the peering world and it's clear that Verizon's statements are patently false, misrepresenting facts, or simply loaded statements, even without Level3's rebuttal.
Alas the public likely won't grok that | [16:13] |
| m0unds | yup | [16:14] |
| neish | tl;dr | [16:15] |
| brycec | Let alone see Level3's blog | [16:15] |
| m0unds | WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER TWO LEVELS? | [16:15] |
| brycec | tl;dr Verizon misrepresents and lies about the network congestion debacle, and it boils down to their refusal to add more ports to their Level3 peering. | [16:15] |
| neish | im not surprised
big red thinks they rule the world | [16:16] |
| brycec | (They lie and claim netflix/l3 are refusing to add ports)
That's confusing given Netflix's colours ;) | [16:16] |
| neish | vzw > netflix
isnt netflix black and red now? | [16:17] |
| brycec | white/red | [16:17] |
| neish | i like the new look | [16:17] |
| m0unds | m0unds doesn't see color
bunch of racists in here, geez | [16:17] |
| neish | have you logged in lately? | [16:17] |
| m0unds | FIXATED ON COLOR | [16:17] |
| neish | its black with red lettering
it looks hip and cool | [16:17] |
| brycec | different on my screen *shrug* | [16:18] |
| neish | m0unds: colors are cool | [16:18] |
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| jpalmer | so level3 basically just called verizon out, for attempting to call them out. and then said "fuck it, we'll even GIVE you a 10gb link, and the cable to interconnect it. talk some more shit brah" | [19:29] |
| brycec | Precisely. I lol'd | [19:29] |
| mnathani | jpalmer: do you have a link (verizon/level3 interconnect) ? | [19:35] |
| m0unds | 17:07:10 brycec | If you're looking for a laugh, I suggest http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/why-is-netflix-buffering-dispelling-the-congestion-myth
17:07:19 brycec | And Level3's response http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/verizons-accidental-mea-culpa/ | [19:36] |
| jpalmer | I have to say, I love the L3 graphic with the 2 routers. even someone who doesn't understand peering or interconnects looks at those little green lines on the L3 side, and the red X on the verizon side.. and says L3 can do it, verizon can't!
mnathani: those links mounds just repasted :P read the verizon one first. | [19:36] |
| mnathani | m0unds: thanks | [19:36] |
| brycec | s/can/won/ | [19:36] |
| BryceBot | <jpalmer> I have to say, I love the L3 graphic with the 2 routers. even someone who doesn't understand peering or interconnects looks at those little green lines on the L3 side, and the red X on the verizon side.. and says L3 won do it, verizon won't! | [19:36] |
| m0unds | s/o/potatos | [19:37] |
| BryceBot | <jpalmer> mnathani: thpotatosse links mpotatosunds just repasted :P read the verizpotatosn potatosne first. | [19:37] |
| m0unds | hahaha
i spelled potatoes wrong | [19:37] |
| brycec | s/./potatoes | [19:37] |
| BryceBot | <m0unds> potatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoespotatoes | [19:37] |
| jpalmer | hahaha
s/$/potatos/ | [19:37] |
| BryceBot | <jpalmer> hahahapotatos | [19:38] |
| m0unds | s/netflix/hawhawhawhawhaw | [19:38] |
| BryceBot | <m0unds> 17:07:10 brycec | If you're looking for a laugh, I suggest http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/why-is-hawhawhawhawhaw-buffering-dispelling-the-congestion-myth | [19:38] |
| jpalmer | s/g/wtfbrah/g | [19:39] |
| brycec | (g is implicit) | [19:39] |
| jpalmer | I wanted Brycebot to go back through every line ever uttered in channel.. | [19:39] |
| m0unds | haha | [19:39] |
| brycec | That would be /m :P | [19:39] |
| jpalmer | ahh, good call :P | [19:39] |
| brycec | jpalmer: Also BryceBot only goes back ~20 lines or so | [19:39] |
| mnathani | does anyone in here recommend either xrdp or x2go for remote access and why one over the other? | [19:40] |
| brycec | I'd recommend NX (FreeNX) | [19:40] |
| jpalmer | mnathani: I am not familiar with either. However, in a week or so.. I'll be trying out gnome, kde, and xfce for the first time in years. (just placed an order for an older lenovo T410, and gonna put CentOS7 on it. | [19:40] |
| mnathani | x2go contains nx technology | [19:40] |
| brycec | mnathani: Is the requirement to view an existing/running desktop? (a la VNC) | [19:41] |
| mnathani | new session is fine | [19:41] |
| brycec | Then I still pimp FreeNX | [19:41] |
| mnathani | xrdp has the benefit that windows clients can connect without installing additional software | [19:42] |
| brycec | Targeted at the thinclient/hosted desktop market
Aye | [19:42] |
| jpalmer | guys: KDE? gnome? xfce? which should I try first? (going to use each for a solid week) | [19:42] |
| staticsafe | KDE | [19:42] |
| brycec | jpalmer: Why only those three? | [19:42] |
| mnathani | Gnome
xfce really is minimal | [19:42] |
| brycec | (Awesome, i3, Stumpwm, xmonad...) | [19:42] |
| jpalmer | brycec: those are the ones CentOS7 has readily available. and I'm frankly not interested in it enough to get others installed/configured/tweaked. I just basically wannt "yum install" and go. | [19:43] |
| brycec | jpalmer: Of the three, I'd say start at Gnome as it's what "most people" use on Ubuntu and CentOS
(last I checked the default WM was Gnome) | [19:43] |
| jpalmer | I'm really looking basically to see how far X has come, and if it can be my daily driver without investing hours upon hours "pimping" it. | [19:44] |
| mnathani | jpalmer: the real question is why stick to centos? why not use Ubuntu | [19:44] |
| jpalmer | mnathani: because the goal is to immerse myself in all the new EL7 changes. | [19:44] |
| brycec | Or LFS? Just build your own from the ground up! :P
Definitely go with the defaults then | [19:44] |
| jpalmer | brycec: I basically want to learn all the new EL7 "stuff" (systemd, firewalld, removing ifconfig/netstat, etc) but to be the daily driver (for immersion) I'll need basic things like a web brwoser, and such. | [19:45] |
| brycec | Fair enough. In theory, the default (assuming Gnome) will be the best integrated into everything | [19:46] |
| jpalmer | ok, gnome first. your theory is sound. | [19:46] |
| m0unds | pimp yo ride | [19:47] |
| brycec | The moment you start installing non-default (KDE, XFCE) you're stepping down the hours of "pimping" it
And unless you have a sticker on it that says "Big Pimpin'" that's probably not what you want to do. | [19:47] |
| m0unds | pimpin' ain't easy | [19:47] |
| jpalmer | nope, I'm really hoping to have sane enough defaults, to have a DECENT and usable desktop in short order (a place where windows and OSX excel, compare to linux/bsd)
I spend most of my time in ssh, so I don't care about glossy effects, glitter, transparency, antialiased fonts and all that jazz. | [19:48] |
| m0unds | i installed pc-bsd 10 on my crappy amd netbook last week
i was pretty surprised that everything worked out of the box | [19:49] |
| brycec | "I don't care about glossy effects, glitter, transparency, antialiased fonts and all that jazzj" reasons 4-9 why I use awesome | [19:50] |
| m0unds | it wanted kde, but that's too fat for that machine so i let it install fluxbox instead | [19:50] |
| brycec | fluxbox is cool | [19:50] |
| m0unds | yeah, i hadn't used it in a long time | [19:50] |
| jpalmer | ok, thanks for the ideas folks. bedtime here. | [19:50] |
| brycec | adios | [19:51] |
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