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Or is it maybe something the knowledgeable people and bots of #arpnetworks could help with? [09:35] brycec: Thank you. But I email'd up_the_irons [09:35] * Hien pokes BryceBot [09:35] Ah [09:35] I wouldn't do that if I were you [09:36] Why ? 0_o [09:36] Just about new order, no urgent question or something xD [09:37] I meant the poking of BryceBot. BryceBot is mean. [09:37] Oh. [09:38] * Hien hugs BryceBot [10:05] @weather yyz [10:05] Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 68°F (20°C), Humidity: 56%, Wind: From the West at 15 MPH Gusting to 22 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [10:06] nice day today [10:06] yesterday was a lot of rain followed by sunshine [10:19] @weather CAZ096 [10:19] Error, No cities match your search query [10:22] @weather 90012 [10:22] Los Angeles, CA: Partly Cloudy ☁ 76°F (24°C), Humidity: 71%, Wind: From the WNW at 1.0 MPH Gusting to 10.0 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=34.059711,-118.256401 or re-request this with: @weather -v 90012 [10:22] @weather 91344 [10:22] Granada Hills, CA: Clear 82°F (27°C), Humidity: 51%, Wind: From the SSE at 2.9 MPH Gusting to 4.9 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=34.287365,-118.484680 or re-request this with: @weather -v 91344 [10:22] 6°F cooler at the office [10:23] up_the_irons: closer to the water too [10:23] brycec: Feature request... noaa stations. :) [10:23] *** dangel_ is now known as dav [10:24] dav: Take it up with wunderground.com [10:24] brycec: Copy that. [10:25] @weather San Joaquin Valley, CA [10:25] Multiple locations matched your query: San Diego International-Lindbergh, CA (zmw:92140.5.99999), San, ML (zmw:00000.1.61277), [10:25] Apparently wunderground hates the Sierra Nevada Mountains [10:25] * dav chuckles. [10:26] @weather Hanford, CA [10:26] Hanford, CA: Clear 82°F (28°C), Humidity: 50%, Wind: From the West at 2.7 MPH Gusting to 3.7 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=36.355957,-119.656898 or re-request this with: @weather -v Hanford, CA [10:26] Close enough [10:27] (Actually wunderground redirects to Lakeshore, CA for the lat/lon of CAZ096 [10:28] @weather 37.29833,-119.10333 [10:28] Lakeshore, CA: Clear 77°F (25°C), Humidity: 17%, Wind: From the East at 5 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=37.62405777,-118.83875275 or re-request this with: @weather -v 37.29833,-119.10333 [10:28] Oh! Coordinates work. Sweet. [10:28] I love that http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=CAZ096 says it's -18C there [10:29] Busted sensor I guess? [10:29] (coordinates need to be comma-separated, no spaces) [10:30] (again, that's just how wunderground works) [11:05] *** twobithacker has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [11:09] *** twobithacker has joined #arpnetworks [11:33] *** tooth_ is now known as tooth [12:19] wow, I haven't seen that in forever. someone joined a channel and instantly start begging for ops. [12:19] "Can I have ops, plz?" [12:20] up_the_irons: I can haz ops?!?! I need it to hang out in this channel! it's sooper important!!!11!11oneeleven [12:26] up_the_irons: CAN I OPS HAZ??????? [12:27] Not that #arpnetworks needs more ops really [12:27] But I'm sure I would make a good op :p [12:27] * staticsafe bans brycec from the internets [12:27] bawwwww :( [12:28] haha not just a k or g-line, an internet-line! [12:29] * brycec instantly begins losing weight, now that he's not sitting 50% of the work day [12:29] up_the_irons: hey, if everyone else gets ops, I would like ops too [12:30] +o for all. now we just need an eggdrop bot network! [12:32] #arpnetworks could do something like #devious does, +V users that are smart, well established, good community members etc (and +o for admins) [12:33] It's used as a means of saying "these people know what they're talking about, they aren't just random people spouting bad advice" [12:34] I don't know that it'd be necessary here. I really was just making fun of the fact that I hadn't seen that behavior in several years.. [12:38] Heh yeah #arpnetworks seems to work just fine. Since it's pretty quiet in here, there's very little need for the "endorsement" of +V [12:42] halfops would work for me : % [12:51] if only they existed on freenode [13:01] ^ [13:28] anybody else notice SIP brute forcing getting particularly bad? [13:28] is that like ops for hobbits? [13:29] it just crashed asterisk [13:29] no idea, i don't run any sip boxes connected to the internet without firewall rules or nat in front of them [13:29] probably wise [13:30] http://unixcube.org/who/acf/tmp/sipgraph.png [13:30] ^ mostly SIP traffic [13:30] notice the outbound is significantly above the inbound in that last part [13:30] maybe a SIP amplification attack of some sort? [13:43] *** acf_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:58] *** acf_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:58] up_the_irons: are you around? [13:59] m0unds: do you happen to have ARP metal? [14:03] acf_: don't ask to ask, just ASK ;) [14:04] can you sign a new ipmi vpn cert for me please? :/ [14:04] I forgot the passphrase [14:04] yeah, send the csr to support@ [14:04] thanks [14:13] acf_: nope [14:35] up_the_irons: okay, I've sent it [14:43] I've seen nasty SIP brute forcing too, at the firewall :P [14:43] how do you firewall your sip? [14:43] Sorry that it's chewing up so much of your bandwidth acf_ [14:44] acf_: One of two approaches. 1) Only open ports for specific hosts, 2) Fail2Ban [14:44] hm. I guess it's option 2 for me [14:44] fail2booooooooooo [14:44] acf_: why not #1? [14:44] SIP clients on dynamic addresses [14:44] unless there is some other way to restrict based on host? [14:45] *how* dynamic? I have clients whose IPs only change once a blue moon. Others I have the client update a dyndns host and pf refreshes from that hourly. [14:45] Comcast dynamic IP [14:45] also cellular network [14:45] that's what I'm most worried about [14:45] Comcast - once a month at most [14:46] Cellular... blech [14:46] acf_: you could run SIP on a non-standard port too [14:46] I was thinking about that [14:46] vpn :D [14:46] VPN is a perfect solution, if you have perfect users. [14:47] VPN would be great, except for mobile devices [14:47] [mobile devices do VPN...] [14:47] have you had any experience with VPN on mobile devices? [14:47] I haven't... [14:47] Yes [14:48] but it seems like it could be bad [14:48] OpenVPN, l2tp, and ipsec [14:48] it's fine [14:48] i've used l2tp and ipsec [14:48] oh and pptp [14:48] ugh [14:48] yuck [14:48] I'll have to try that [14:48] m0unds: PPTP still easiest for $users to setup and configure [14:48] and comments on device support? [14:48] For a simple voice VPN, I wasn't too worried [14:48] Android, Symbian, iOS, etc... [14:49] I can say for certain that Android and iOS do PPTP and L2TP+IPsec natively. [14:49] Android has good OpenVPN client support [14:49] (last I checked, iOS had to be jailbroken for opencpn) [14:50] apparently Symbian supports PPTP also [14:50] I might try that [14:50] PPTP isn't the most secure, but it's simplest (username+password) and "good enough" for a simple voice vpn [14:50] Plus with VPN, you don't have to deal with NAT issues [14:51] have you any experience with voip handoff between wifi and 3g? [14:51] ie, you go in range of wifi, phone connects, drops call [14:51] If it's in a VPN, you're just waiting for the VPN tunnel to reesatablish [14:51] but if that's quick, the call stays up and nobody notices. [14:52] i typically just dump sip calls to my phone# directly [14:52] if i don't answer my ext [14:52] how about outbound calls? the cid gets all messed up... [14:52] i just block my outbound cid [14:53] and dial from my phone [14:53] ah [14:53] if the call recipient went through the trouble to block anonymous calls, they can wait til i get to the office [14:53] haha [15:03] m0unds++ on all points [15:04] In theory you can setup a DISA, call the PBX and then route back out [15:04] Or just *67 [15:04] I've been looking for a way to do that cleanly for a long time [15:04] ie, click on a contact, it dials the PBX, etc... [15:04] There are craploads of click2call [15:05] Many of them work well, even [15:05] not for Symbian users :/ [15:05] a buddy of mine did that to allow him to dial in to his PBX to have outbound calls routed via his toll-free [15:05] whoa, symbian? [15:05] acf_: if the Symbian user is just a cellphone, then what does it matter? [15:06] ie you click the link on your computer, the PBX calls your phone (the Symbian or whatever) and when you pickup and confirm, then the PBX bridges that to an outbound call to $wherever [15:06] A phone call is a phone call, regardless of the receiving device. [15:06] ah yes [15:06] I was hoping for some tighter integration [15:07] so that you can initiate the call using the built in ui and it just works [15:07] acf_: i seem to recall that Blackberry (because that's what I used at the time) had a means to program a prefix so you could dial through the office phone system [15:07] To do just that [15:07] No idea if Android etc can do that nowadays [15:08] yeah. any idea what that's called? my google searches have yeilded nothing... [15:08] In theory though, you can just prefix the destination with 1800mypbx{pauses}$disaextension{pause} [15:08] prefix dialing i think [15:09] ok cool [15:09] or "dial via office" [15:09] http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cumc/7_1/english/BlackBerry/installation_user_guide/install_user_guide/calls.pdf [15:09] obviously that's the blackberry specific stuff :p[ [15:10] yeah [15:10] but you could google for $platform dial via office [15:10] looks like Android uses a Cisco app for it [15:11] Symbian seems to be left with click2call/"reverse callback" [15:11] that's what I was afraid of [15:12] I wonder if GSM/UMTS has any out-of-band signalling capabilities at call setup [15:13] you could change the software stack to dial a fixed number, and signal the actual number to dial [15:13] Besides the messaging layer that SMS is built atop? [15:13] I guess that could work [15:13] I don't know if it supports that function specifically though [15:14] Maybe that's what this "fixed dialing numbers" stuff is about [15:14] on second though, FDN wouldn't solve the problem [15:15] I'm kind of surprised that the telecoms don't have services that allow easy integration into PBXes [15:15] It's not the telecoms prerogative [15:15] it seems like it would be a useful service for companies that use cell phones [15:15] it's Android/WinMo/Symbian [15:16] And companies that use cellphones also use Cisco (with their own Android app), or Blackberries (builtin) [15:16] who uses Symbian anymore [15:16] Europe [15:16] (Lync might even have an 'app' hook to do it) [15:16] really now [15:16] Europe is a myth [15:17] well, yeah [15:17] people are moving away from it [15:17] 4.4% global market share as of 2012 according to wookiepedia [15:18] that's not too bad [15:18] 4 out of every 100 cell phones are Symbian [15:20] up_the_irons: still around? [15:21] acf_: BTW the SIP brute forcing should be somewhat limited already http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/is-there-a-firewall-filter-rate-limit-or-similar-device-applied-to-my-traffic [15:21] Unless ^ doesn't apply to Metal customers [15:22] I think I had that removed a while ago [15:22] so I could run OpenVPN instances on non-standard ports [15:22] btw acf_ I can't resolve your unixcube.org [15:22] I know [15:22] :/ [15:22] bad things happened [15:22] uh oh [15:22] o_o [15:22] so I can't even see that graph you linked :p [15:23] I'm waiting for up_the_irons to sign me a VPN cert so I can get a console [15:23] that's weird... ns[0123].unixcube.org should have entries in the DNS root to be proper "nameservers" [15:24] they don't? [15:24] hm [15:24] don't seem to [15:24] I'm only cursorily investigating [15:25] brycec: you wouldn't happen to have arp metal would you? [15:25] brycec: you mean glue? [15:25] sorry acf_ [15:25] aww [15:25] they should just call them horse records [15:25] acf_: scratch that, the records are there, but dig was being stupid [15:26] ah, that's good [15:26] staticsafe: I meant A records for the nameserver entries [15:37] is there a way to do a broadcast ipv6 ping? [15:38] ping6 ff02::1%$interfacename [15:38] (not broadcast as that is not really a thing in IPv6) [15:38] that is the All nodes on the local network segment address [15:39] multicast all the things! [15:40] hm [15:40] so my ARP metal box lost network [15:40] there's a moron who used to work here who couldn't grasp the word "multicast" [15:40] he always used to refer to it as "multitask" [15:40] drove me nuts [15:40] o_o [15:40] that's great [15:40] sending multitask packets [15:41] that's what happens when you bolt people with no networking experience (VCR + DVR + analog video) into an updated position where it's important to know it [15:41] I have a VPS on the same logical network [15:42] shouldn't I be able to ssh into it via its IPv6 link local address? [15:42] "what do you mean by converged network?!" [15:42] "voice, video and internets on the same network?!" [15:42] Yes, acf_ [15:43] or is there some case where the interface could lose its link local address [15:43] no [15:43] If it's down or unconfigured... [15:43] well that [15:43] so here's what happened: [15:43] IPv4 things broke [15:43] I ran /etc/init.d/networking restart in Debian [15:43] ^ bad idea [15:44] IPv6 things broke [15:44] acf_: and you don't have IPMI console up yet? [15:44] no [15:44] I used to [15:44] if I had an IPMI console, I could just reconfigure the interfaces [15:45] staticsafe: he thought that i assigned ip addresses for devices purely based on the port on the switch that they're connected to [15:45] acf_: I assume console.cust.arpnetworks.com doesn't tie in to any physical serial port or whatnot? [15:46] like..with analog video, there's an electrical signal chain you have to follow or you won't get video on the far end. he htought that's how an ip network functions, haha [15:46] heh [15:46] When you put it that way, it's not illogical, just wrong. [15:46] right [15:46] brycec: unfortunately it doesn't appear so [15:46] but he'd argue it as truth [15:47] and would actively refuse or reject explanation to the contrary :) [15:47] also, i think i'm giving him too much credit w/the signal thing. he didn't really understand how that worked either, just that if he put a camera on a cable, and plugged the cable in, it would show up [15:48] this is why he's no longer here..that and he was offered an enormous $250 sign on bonus to work for a company that repairs automatic card shufflers [15:49] Wow a whole $250? [15:51] yup [15:51] gave up ~$3800/yr in benefits, 10hrs/period of PTO and 4 day set schedule for $250 [15:53] m0unds: is he doing the repairs? or he's doing IT for them? [15:53] repairs [15:53] so it's better for him [15:53] Sounds like it [15:53] i do X because Y is broken [15:55] also, i rarely see him which is great for my mental health [15:55] hahaha [17:06] http://i.imgur.com/KAD0QvN.png this graph is depressing [17:06] although, the one day where there was no real spike was the 4th of july [17:06] yeah [17:07] that's Comcast right? [17:07] yep [17:07] I think he was willing to try and reroute some Verizon routes [17:08] don't think it's happened yet though [17:08] up_the_irons that is [17:09] http://i.imgur.com/nQdjKIp.png [17:09] what's that? [17:09] cut over to a different box running the same services [17:09] ah [17:11] i was kind of hoping that whatever party is causing congestion would lay off at some point [17:11] nope [17:11] i haven't been able to figure out what common svcs traverse ntt via comcast [17:12] not too many from the looks of it [17:12] netflix doesn't, hulu doesn't, amazon vod doesn't, xbox live/video doesn't, psn doesn't [17:12] bigger providers likely have monitoring systems in place for all of the major ISPs [17:12] and reroute traffic accordingly [17:12] well, the ones i mentioned have peering arrangements w/comcast [17:12] that's why Amazon has such great connectivity I think [17:12] not Amazon [17:12] (I think) [17:13] oh maybe they do [17:13] they don't with Verizon though [17:13] the ELB addresses i've seen w/VOD do for sure [17:14] and just checking an east coast AZ EC2 instance, it's comcast -> amazon directly [17:14] yeah I see that here too [17:15] Amazon appears to have direct peering with HE too [17:15] it was a bit congested last time I checked my smokeping [17:15] I was surprised [17:15] does it seem like they use ntt to reach vz? [17:15] I can't check atm [17:16] ah [17:16] but a while ago it seems they used NTT for the forward path (from me) [17:16] I can't remember the reverse path, but I think it was via Telia or something [17:17] NTT is their #2 v4 peer according to bgp.he.net (amzn) [17:18] what AS are you looking at? [17:18] 16509 [17:18] I see [17:18] Telia is #4 [17:18] Level3 is #8 [17:19] yea, -z flag on mtr is handy [17:19] mtr -z4 somev4host.domain.tld [17:19] ah, didn't think to try that [18:49] m0unds: what does the -z flag do? And what version of mtr? [18:50] mtr 0.82 (Debian Wheezy) only has -hvrwctglspniu46 [18:50] oh [18:50] -z does ASN lookups [18:51] but it doesn't work with the GTK GUI [18:51] i'm on .85 [18:51] same here [18:51] doesn't bother me, i just use mtr in a temrinal [18:51] ... [18:51] temrinal? really? [18:52] for some reason it defaults to GTK for me unless I specify --curses [18:52] http://pastebin.com/K35UgeWz [18:53] brycec: ^ [18:54] curses [18:54] CURSES [18:54] NCURSES [18:54] actually [18:54] anyone know about what time up_the irons gets back? [18:55] Ah m0unds has a newer mtr [18:55] I was hoping someone would port that from traceroute [18:55] Nice to see that it has been [18:56] yeah [18:56] I think I looked for that option in the man page a while ago and didn't see it [18:56] so I had to revert to traceroute if I needed AS lookups [18:57] damn not in wheezy-backports [18:58] m0unds: Out of curiosity, what OS is that on? Or did you compile from source? [18:58] I use Debian jessie [18:58] it's stable enough for me :D [18:58] brycec: netbsd 6.1.4 [18:58] same v on freebsd 10 [18:58] so installed via pkgin or from ports respectively [18:59] .85 on 14.04 LTS too (just looked) [18:59] Cool [18:59] thank you [18:59] sho 'nuff [19:00] so basically everything has mtr 0.85 except debian stable [19:00] Which is typical [19:00] I'm surprised at the lack of a backport for it though [19:00] haha [19:00] what version of nginx is debian stable on? [19:01] Source Package: nginx (1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2) [19:01] oh, that's not too bad [19:01] better than i figured [19:01] haha [19:01] for jessie: Package: nginx (1.6.0-1) [19:02] ^ and wheezy-backports [19:02] nginx version: nginx/1.5.12 netbsd, and 1.6.0 for freebsd [19:02] When is jessie going to be released as stable, anyone know? [19:03] * brycec asked Google and simply got https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ [19:03] I guess they don't define a date [19:03] I think at some point they freeze everything, so that only bugs can be patched (no package version upgrades) [19:04] dates are for suckers maaaaaaaaaan [19:04] and when everything passes QA, they release it [19:04] if I set my distribution to "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list [19:04] every time they do a release, sid goes into testing [19:04] and I end up upgrading to it :/ [19:04] Freeze is Nov 5 https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html [19:05] lol [19:05] so..soon? haha [19:05] m0unds: they're aiming for January [19:05] * m0unds doesn't know much about debian [19:05] or maybe Feb? [19:06] I'm not too clear on their release policy either [19:06] But I do know that it won't be this year [19:06] i don't think i've ever actually used debian debian [19:07] wait, i have [19:07] i have raspbian on my raspi, hahaha [19:09] *** milki_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:09] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [19:10] nice, heavy isolated thunderstorm [19:11] raspbian rocks [19:11] so easy, so small [19:12] *** joepie91 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:12] *** tooth has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [19:12] yeah, works pretty well [19:12] *** tooth has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:14] *** joepie91 has joined #arpnetworks [19:14] *** DaCa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:15] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [19:15] *** DaCa has joined #arpnetworks [19:27] no shuttles running to get to the parking lot (.33 mi from the building) and it's pouring outside [19:27] so i'm wearing a plastic bag [19:27] it's stylish and practical [19:28] as you're typing in an irc channel [19:28] ;) [19:58] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [20:08] meta-p /window scroll_previous_highlight [20:08] erk [20:14] m0unds: Why no shuttles? Seems odd. [20:29] HELLO [20:29] has freenode been acting up lately [20:29] i'm getting messages in other channels in bursts every few seconds and a ton of latency [20:30] concert tonight. EMPLOYEES BE DAMNED. [20:31] hazardous: i have not noticed anything [20:41] Ah, sucks m0unds [20:42] hazardous: I'm never surprised to hear Freenode having problems [20:42] it was alright, head and shoes got soaked, rest of me was fine [20:42] stupid ringo starr [22:22] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [22:25] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [22:29] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [23:32] hazardous: it may be teh server you're connected to. [23:32] there hasn't been lots of splits