[02:02] *** toeshred has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:15] *** toeshred has joined #arpnetworks [07:46] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [07:47] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [07:59] *** anis is now known as anisfarhana [08:01] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Changing host) [08:01] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [08:52] *** lteo has joined #arpnetworks [11:05] *** lteo has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [14:17] pyvpx: hey, never knew you were in here :) [15:39] *** dne has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:39] *** dne has joined #arpnetworks [18:05] so, centos 7 has a lot different, but it's kinda.. badass. [18:07] up_the_irons: I may be submitting an ISO request soon :P [18:07] bring it [18:08] I'll wait until thy release a "minimal" iso. right now, it's either netboot, or DVD [18:10] I knew ifconfig and netstat have been "deprecated" for a long time.. but, a minimal C7 install doesn't have them at all now. it requires installing a seperate package. guess it's time to learn the new school :P [18:10] i have forced myself to use the iproute2 tools and that is what I use out of habit \o/ [18:11] (except for netstat, but thats because ss' output is ugly) [18:11] yeah,, I should have done that too. but "ss" is funky [18:12] I'm going to have to get used to the new interface names, too. [18:12] oh those [18:12] i have been getting those on my laptop for a while now [18:12] I could edit them and set them back to "eth0" but then, I'll find myself in this same boat in the next release. so I may as well just embrace it. [18:13] I don't see any rhyme or reason for them. on one VM, its in the form of xyz0s5 on the other, its xyz12345678 [18:21] My desktop at work named its primary Ethernet "eno1", which I hate but I laugh at too. "e no one" it's all alone [18:22] lol [18:23] (my thinkpad has wlp2s0 and enp8s0, I have no idea how it arrived at those names, aside from the obvious e/w) [18:24] (maybe WireLess Port 2 Session 0, and EtherNet Port 8 Session 0, but the port/session bits don't make much sense) [18:25] Ohhh those match up with the lspci "slots" actually [18:25] Mystery solved, thanks #arpnetworks [18:25] right, I haven't found the naming convention yet. I'm sure it means.. something. [18:25] what about the "np" or "lp" [18:27] jpalmer: see the capitalized letters [18:27] WireLess [18:27] EtherNet [18:27] s/Session/Slot/ [18:27] (maybe WireLess Port 2 Slot 0, and EtherNet Port 8 Slot 0, but the port/session bits don't make much sense) [18:29] OH! got it [18:30] somewhat less annoying now that I understand the convention.. but still don't understand why they couldn't stick with "eth#" or follow the BSD's convention of "name it after the driver" like em0 or rl0 [18:31] ditto [18:31] I suspect th new convention is going to make it more difficult to use things like chef/puppet/ansible. [18:31] of course, those tools will adapt as well, I'm sure. [18:31] (probably even before I will) [18:32] I'm guessing it's supposed to be more descriptive, based on type+location, so you could change out NICs and the new NIC would keep the same name (but then, it would have anyways...) [18:32] (Well, it would have unless udev had locked the name to the MAC) [18:33] well, no.. with the /etc/udev/rules.d/70.persistant-rules in EL5 and 6, it wouldn't re-use old interface names if you swap out the NIC [18:33] ^ already caught that ;) [18:33] sorry, was typing and talking at same time [18:34] heh [18:34] It does solve the same problem as the udev rule though. Many moons ago, sometimes NICs would flip which was eth0 and eth1, (depending on driver load order) [18:48] yeah, that part is cool. [18:48] I'm reading about all the changes now. [18:49] I was wary of the systemd change, but I actually think I'm going to like it. [18:51] yea, i don't mind systemd at all [18:55] yeah [18:55] overall, I think EL7 is going to be a bit of a learning curve (for me) but I think most of it is good stuff. [18:56] it's my own fault for hanging onto ifconfig, and netstat as long as I did. that's going to be the hardest change for me to hammer home. [18:58] i didn't know it was being replaced, haha [19:04] *** erratic has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] * brycec runs Arch, that deprecation happened _years_ ago :p [19:13] https://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-net-tools/ 2011-06-08 [19:16] haha [19:18] i guess that just shows how infrequently i use ifconfig [19:18] haha [19:19] i haven't booted my arch install since april i think [19:19] I guess I should PRACTICE using ip [19:20] since ifconfig really had to go [19:21] I guess its not so bad [19:25] aside from active development, what's wrong with it? [19:26] As far as I'm concerned, that's the only reason (and the only reason cited by Arch) [19:26] ah [19:26] Means that should there be a kernel API change, there's no central group to release an updated ifconfig (etc), each distro would just pass around a set of patches [19:27] Also lacks support for new and crazy things. I couldn't tell you what exactly... [19:27] I do know that ifconfig doesn't show GbE link state (it topped out at 100mbps) [19:28] (Obviously, we're talking about Linux ifconfig and net-tools. BSD's ifconfig is completely separate, and maintained, and does a lot more than just set IP addresses.) [19:28] yeah, i guess that's what confused me since i don't really use linux that regularly [19:28] * staticsafe is all linux these days [19:29] i have.. 1.5 linux boxes [19:29] 1 kvm box (which i'd happily swap out for bhyve once it's stable) [19:29] and 1 raspi [19:30] I've been meaning to get bhyve up and running now that I have a FreeBSD10 box [19:44] woo, thunderstorms [19:47] nice :) [19:47] * brycec is jealous [19:48] yeah, my fav time of year [19:48] desert thunderstorms are awesome [19:48] *** erratic has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [19:49] I miss monsoon season [19:50] Toronto, Ontario :: Scattered Clouds :: 20C [19:50] nice here today [19:51] our high today was 36C [19:51] haha [19:53] m0unds: same here, and I'm 2hrs from the Canadian border :( [19:53] i.e. It shouldn't be this fucking hot [19:53] lol [19:54] Actually the high was 34C, but we exceeded the high [20:03] how complicated is it to roll your own kvm server setup on Ubuntu 14.04 without a graphical desktop? [20:03] umm, not really too hard [20:04] configure your host network (i just use a bridged interface) and then install libvirt and associated stuffs [20:04] ditto [20:05] does the vnc server come standard, or is that an addon install? [20:06] i didn't have to install anything separately iirc [20:06] i believe it defaults to incrementally assigning vnc ports too, or you can hard-assign them [21:15] vnc does come standard [21:15] you can also use that new thing [21:15] ahh spice [21:16] spice is nice [21:16] if it's just you using it i'd definitely recommend trying spice [21:16] i can web browse over lan with it without it feeling slow [21:16] <3 spice [21:16] i can't say the same about vnc :) [21:17] and over wan it's good too [21:44] how do I get libvirt to listen for remote connections? [21:45] my kvm box has no gui and I am trying to connect with : virt-manager -c qemu://10.10.2.61 [21:45] no luck [21:46] maybe it's binding to localhost? [21:47] try netsta -tnlp ? [21:47] netstat -tnlp as root [21:47] it'll show what tcp ports are listening owned by what proceses withjout trying to reverse lookup [21:51] http://pineapplesoftware.blogspot.ca/2012/11/configuring-unsecure-remote-access-to.html [21:51] had to be configured explicitly [21:52] Configuring unsecure remote access to libvirt on Ubuntu using TCP [21:56] ok [22:33] can 2 bridges bind to the same physical interface, say eth0 [22:33] ? [22:40] Why wouldn't you just use 1 bridge? [22:41] I am trying to virtualize pfsense [22:41] and provide 2 distinct nics but use the same physical [22:42] Sure I get that. But on the host, that could/would still be done with one bridge [22:43] my attempt at adding a second bridge lead to "empty bridge" [22:46] I have an interface section like: http://pastebin.com/jnL2S8h4 [22:46] what do I need to do to get a second interface with that same bridge? [22:47] (I can't help with libvirt specifics, sorry) [22:47] Wouldn't you just add another with br0? [22:49] trying that now [23:05] brycec: the graphical Virtual Machine Manager had options to add secondary devices and it accepted the bridge used for 2 interfaces [23:10] Cool [23:12] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:41] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [23:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [23:45] ok, now that even centos has officially deprecated ifconfig and the lpi still requires ifconfig for their exams and hasn't heard about iproute, can we deprecate the lpi now, too? [23:59] *** toddf has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)