missed that video you linked staticsafe - good stuff. the mass effect 3 music is always good, haha up_the_irons: Centos7 has been announced. I know you mentioned being low on disk space for the mirror Is there a question there? :P brycec: no, just a heads up ok tnx phlux1: i want to see your conky / i3bar config :) jpalmer: Yeah it came up at the time. I was razzin' up_the_irons for *still* not having a Debian mirror. up_the_irons mentioned the disk space woes, so I suggested that centos could be removed (they have a complex mirroring structure that doesn't lend itself as well to local mirroring as other distros). And then someone (maybe you?) brought up the just-released CentOS 7 brycec: I dunno man, I think the centos mirror is pretty easy to replicate. "rsync" and done jpalmer: brycec : yeah we don't do anything but a simple rsync I meant that it's a bit of a pain to override the mirrorlist Probably easier for ARP since you have an image But I work with networks that have to transparently cache. And if I don't intercept the mirrorlist and fill in my own mirrors, then I'm dealing with a gazillion different hostnames (Whereas with Apt, it has a sane default, the same thing, every time. ) brycec: I'm not sure I follow. you uncomment one line, and comment out the other? IMO, I think a mirror list is a pretty sane default. but I digress, not interested in an OS debate ;) jpalmer: Assuming I had hands on the system in the first place. But like I said, I'm just transparently caching+mirroring So centos hits mirrorlist, gets a random mirror and runs with it. Centos has a million, billion mirrors... So every hit to a mirror is a new host, uncached so, in your isolated environment, the defaults aren't perfect. not sure how that qualifies as a "sane" or not default. it seems to work for millions of installations I'm saying the default (centos using a mirrorlist) doesn't work well with proxy caching. Since every invocation is to a different hostname, and therefore not a hit on the cache. seems like if thats the big issue, it'd be trivial to override the DNS entry for "mirrorlist" and hand it whatever mirror you want. I did but it's ugly or, roll out an OEM'd image that has the mirrorlist you want them using like AWS does. (but I don't have that control of the users) the defaults, IMO are sane. it's not even like it breaks your environment, it just doesn't fall within your personal preference. I didn't say Centos was insane (that is a personal preference, but I'm not arguing that) you said debian has sane defaults, which has some.. implications about centos's ;) Perhaps "sane" wasn't the best descriptor :p hehe