mnathani: wish there was a compelling reason to use v6
   mercutio: heh
   
 there isn't
   mnathani: faster, more secure, no NAT even / maybe
   mercutio: it's slower
   
 and firewalls often don't support it as well yet
   mnathani: and there are islands, right cogent / he
   mercutio: islands?
   mnathani: portions that are not connected to other portions
   mercutio: i think everyone can talk to everyone
   mnathani: single home to he.net cant talk to cogent I thought
   
 and vice versa
   mercutio: oh i idn't know that
   mnathani: not sure if it is still the case
   
 but http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/10/22/peering-disputes-migrate-to-ipv6/
   
 thats from 2009
   
 https://twitter.com/nacnud/status/480563238741245952
   BryceBot: TWITTER: seriously @CogentCo and @henet, when are you guys going to #ipv6 peer?  You are breaking my IPv6 BGP. it's freaking 2014 already! (Sun Jun 22 04:09:39 +0000 2014)
   mnathani: more recent ^
   milki: nabamlol
   mercutio: oh
   
 cogent and he.net both have bad reputations
   mnathani: cogent I know for having budget IP transit - oversubscribed links etc
   
 he.net - how so?
   
 I thought he.net was a leader in IPv6 with their tunnelbroker and IPv6 certification etc
   mercutio: their ipv4 transit is kind of mediocre
   
 like they congested real bad to europe when new york had that flooding
   acf_: from what I've seen recently, HE seems to be one of the few transit providers that has congestion-free paths to Verizon and Comcast actually
   mercutio: and they have a few weird routing hiccups within the uS
   
 cool.
   
 i haven't done my dns lookup thing yet
   
 i just have to find something that acn do a million lookups
   
 and setup a dns resolver for it
   
 cos a million requests might seem a bit dodgy through a normal one :)
   acf_: yeah that's a lot
   mercutio: alexa top million web sites
   
 so i can try and figure out if comcast, verizon etc host web sites no it
   acf_: oh, I see
   mercutio: i'm sure there's a good parallel dns lookup thing somewhere
   acf_: you want samples for your smokeping?
   mercutio: i saw one in go
   
 i thought a plain c one would be better though
   
 yeah
   acf_: go is a actually pretty fast
   mercutio: cos i don't really like relying on icmp
   
 unbound actually has a recursor library that can host it's own dns
   
 but i found it slow when i used it
   
 i think it was called libunbound
   acf_: if you just want a few websites on Verizon and Comcast
   
 https://www.robtex.com/route/205.150.0.0-16.html
   
 like http://www.vrra.ca/
   mercutio: oh cool
   acf_: https://www.robtex.com/as/as701.html
   
 list of all the blocks announced by as701
   
 you can click them to get a list of hostnames
   mercutio: www.kwic.com looks like good example
   
 except it looks like it's lagging
   
 oh it's in canada
   acf_: yeah
   
 I think that block is in canada
   mnathani: Origin AS:           813
   mercutio: omg
   
 lamest isp ever :)
   
 Make Kwic Internet Your Homepage
   
 (IE 5 or higher)
   
 10 hours dialup for $9.95
   
 512kb wireless lite with 256kb upload for $39.95/month
   acf_: that's great
   
 it has two peers
   
 Verizon and Verizon
   mercutio: iSpeed Non-PPOE Commercial Access (call for information)
   
 haha
   
 i'm getting packet lsos to there
   acf_: me too from arp
   
 idk about other places
   mercutio: from nz i meant
   
 which has forward route of verizon
   acf_: ah
   mercutio: oh it's worse from arp :/
   
 cool it still peers in los angeles
   
 probably as good a test as any
   
 http://www.kwic.com/pics/supportimage.JPG
   
 5k :(
   
 is shtml static html?
   acf_: I think it's dynamically generated
   mercutio: that's why i wanted image
   
 but the image is oknly 5k
   acf_: http://www.vrra.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/GrandBend-2FINAL.jpg
   
 405k
   
 both seem to take the same path
   mercutio: damn that slow
   acf_: no loss from Amazon ec2 also
   
 100%[======================================>] 414,490      574K/s   in 0.7s
   
 from Amazon
   mercutio: it's 1 sec from arp
   acf_: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/7ed5
   
 oh it is
   mercutio: 2.2 seconds from nz, 4.9 from sydney
   acf_: have a bigger one
   mercutio: ok anyway, it should do hope they don't mind us using their bw :)
   acf_: http://www.vrra.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1-050.jpg
   mercutio: is it a personal web site or an isp?
   acf_: it's the website for the "vintage road racing association"
   
 hosted on that isp you found
   
 *by
   mercutio: ahh
   
 they may have bw limits
   acf_: 100%[======================================>] 1,614,719    928KB/s   in 1.7s
   
 doesn't seem too bad
   mercutio: i'd hate to have the web site hit some limit
   acf_: yeah
   
 I'll look for some more
   mercutio: and yeah damn it slow
   
 i think it's probably windows :/
   
 which doesn't have as good ramping up on tcp on high latency connections
   
 oh its' apache
   
 php 5.2.9
   
 so like 5 year old linux?
   
 i think it's probably centos 5 with linux 2.6.18
   acf_: hm
   
 difficult to find anything single homed to Verizon
   mercutio: yeh
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   m0unds1: ugh, freenode makes my head hurt
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   Guest34975: up_the_irons: can I pay in advance?
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   mnathani: Guest34975: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/billing/is-there-a-discount-for-paying-in-advance
   Guest42246: guest, everyone always pays at the beginning of the month, until the end of the month, and pro rata to the beginning of the next month when they sign up.
   
 oh that kind of thing
   
 argh i'm a guest, what happened
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   mercutio: oh i didn't realise there was a discount for paying in advance that's kidn of cool.
   mnathani: the Guest says to the other Guest lol
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   Guest34975: I dont want a discount
   
 I just want to pay for it for as long as I can see myself using it (at least a year)
   
 but ok
   
 that works :D
   
 will arrange for this next week
   
 also can I upload a .vmd or .qcow2 or something with my own os
   
 oh cool
   
 I forgot about this
   
 http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os
   
 I have just one thing to say to that
   
 and it has absolutely nothing to do with this nor is it meaningful
   
 so i'm just gonna shut the hell up before I piss somebody off
   
 I wish I had done gentoo
   
 I can just build my stage3 locally and recompress it then upload it
   
 yes I think I will start that
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   mercutio: heh
   
 did everyone disconnect from freenode earlier?
   hazardous: fn shit the bed, yeah
   
 services dropped too
   mercutio: it looked like 4 hours ago and 4 and a half hours ago
   
 so seemed more major
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