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staticsafe | mercutio: http://nzix.net/peers.html | [06:43] | |
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mercutio | static: what about it?
static: the silly visualisation thingy? | [16:03] | |
gizmoguy | I thought it was cool | [16:11] | |
mercutio | i didn't? | [16:12] | |
gizmoguy | such a killjoy mercutio | [16:12] | |
mercutio | i tried looking around at it
i can't tell what's connected to what, too much data all it seems to say to me is that vocus is huge | [16:12] | |
gizmoguy | the clustering is cool
so the right side of the map is new zealand | [16:15] | |
up_the_irons | lol i totally remember phtml; fuck i'm old | [16:15] | |
mercutio | i nwver understood why people didn't do cgi's in c back then.
considering the cpus were slow, and memory was limited | [16:17] | |
up_the_irons | cgi's in perl were much easier | [16:17] | |
mercutio | and perl was really slow/bloaty | [16:17] | |
up_the_irons | it was fast enough | [16:17] | |
gizmoguy | mercutio: http://nzix.net/nzix-map/#HIX-CITYLINK-NZ-AP%20Hamilton%20Internet%20Exchange%20%28Citylink%29,NZ
best IX in NZ right there | [16:17] | |
mercutio | well id id find the web too slow in general :)
so i stuck to irc hah i can't see it gizmo? it's just showing the wide map actually mod_perl wasn't too bad | [16:17] | |
gizmoguy | mercutio: exactly
or does linking the fragment not work? | [16:19] | |
brycec | up_the_irons: ntp reminder | [16:19] | |
gizmoguy | anyway do a search for HIX and click on it | [16:20] | |
up_the_irons | brycec: where did we leave off? i think i swapped the conversation from my mind; need more RAM!
brain RAM | [16:21] | |
mercutio | ok
i can't believe they called it hix hix finds chix instead whcih is tiny | [16:21] | |
m0unds | hix is right below chix... | [16:22] | |
mercutio | oh it didn't bring up the search results the frist time for some reason
his has less connections than plain :/ | [16:22] | |
gizmoguy | DTS is at HIX too, it's just not showing up for some reason | [16:23] | |
mercutio | maybe with ufb more people will connect to it | [16:23] | |
m0unds | http://www.nmix.net/ | [16:24] | |
mercutio | oh dear, this looks like it's from the 90s | [16:24] | |
m0unds | it sure is
1997, in fact | [16:24] | |
mercutio | is it meant to be 256 colour friendly
hy is there dithering in the anti aliasing 10/100 switch for servers and router conenctivity the main peering in nz started in 99 but there was some peering before that but gizmo will know more about that than me i imagine http://www.nmix.net/people.html nice graphs The page on pricing for connecting to the NMIX is due to be updated. so what happened to nmix? | [16:24] | |
gizmoguy | yeah so I think it all started with "NZIX"
I even found the email post from Lindsay when it was decomissioned - http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2001-August/003161.html | [16:27] | |
mercutio | ahh | [16:27] | |
gizmoguy | unfortunately it's a little hard to search for "NZIX" now :) | [16:28] | |
mercutio | yeah | [16:28] | |
gizmoguy | haha - http://wand.net.nz/wits/nzix/1/
we have network traces! Capture Start (Local) Thu Nov 12 10:56:44 1998 Capture End (Local) Sun Apr 11 14:11:12 1999 Packets Captured 238 million lolz. back when the internet was easy | [16:28] | |
mercutio | do you read nznog gizmo? | [16:29] | |
gizmoguy | yup | [16:29] | |
mercutio | see the post just now?
i don't quite get it | [16:29] | |
gizmoguy | from Dean? | [16:29] | |
mercutio | i can't see any labels
yeh i just see lots of circles with a - in the middle | [16:29] | |
gizmoguy | the AS numbers are written in the circles | [16:30] | |
mercutio | oh
it's tiny writing | [16:30] | |
gizmoguy | at least they are when I load the PDF in google doc | [16:30] | |
mercutio | and google docs won't zoom in enough | [16:30] | |
gizmoguy | zoom in man
get better eyes | [16:30] | |
mercutio | i'm at maximum zoom!
google drive the app is currently unreachable gah | [16:30] | |
brycec | lol up_the_irons no worries, I know exactly what you mean
(Also my computer was just throwing a swapping fit) | [16:32] | |
mercutio | hmm even when i sdave the image and zoom it's hard to read the numbers | [16:32] | |
up_the_irons | brycec: haha | [16:33] | |
brycec | up_the_irons: You asked if ARP should just point at my own, I suggested ARP has its own instance unattached to my account. You asked what was needed, I said a "small" would be more than enough. (think I gave some specific specs, don't remember) Oh, and Debian Wheezy for the image. | [16:33] | |
up_the_irons | ah ok | [16:34] | |
mercutio | hmm can you print it?
it doesn't work for me | [16:34] | |
brycec | (I'll leave the ARP management user on there, I'll set it up with user-login only +sudo for management, I'll set up ntpd and apticron, then I'm hands-off just letting it run, plus updates) | [16:35] | |
up_the_irons | roger that
brycec: think of a spiffy hostname | [16:35] | |
m0unds | dingus | [16:37] | |
mercutio | time | [16:37] | |
brycec | I was going to say "ntp1" bug dingus is good. So is hiccup
Also, tick, or tock | [16:37] | |
mercutio | or ticktock
you could always cname ntp1 to it | [16:38] | |
brycec | he probably will, but the admin side still gets a special name... | [16:39] | |
m0unds | a super scientific study of drug mentions on twitter has ruled that albuquerque is the meth capital of the us
"by a landslide" | [16:42] | |
mercutio | haha | [16:42] | |
m0unds | go figure people might talk about breaking bad on twitter | [16:42] | |
up_the_irons | not naming it dingus | [16:42] | |
brycec | SPOILER ALERT | [16:42] | |
mercutio | and denver is the stoner capital? | [16:42] | |
m0unds | lol
JERK | [16:42] | |
up_the_irons | try again :) | [16:42] | |
m0unds | CO
yea whatsit | [16:42] | |
ant | up_the_irons: zeit | [16:43] | |
brycec | up_the_irons: Chronos | [16:43] | |
m0unds | throbbingdumptruck | [16:43] | |
brycec | LOL | [16:44] | |
mercutio | uhh | [16:44] | |
m0unds | filet-o-fish | [16:44] | |
up_the_irons | ant: YES
ant wins | [16:44] | |
brycec | I'm down with zeit
@wiki Zeit | [16:44] | |
BryceBot | Zeit :: Zeit (English: Time) is the third album by the German electronic music group Tangerine Dream. A double LP, it was released in August 1972, being the first release featuring Peter Baumann, who joined then-current members Christopher Franke and Edgar Froese. Overview The style of this album is slower and more atmospheric than their previous albums. Its atmospheric drone... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeit | [16:44] | |
up_the_irons | brycec: chronos is good too, but i like the German flair of zeit | [16:44] | |
m0unds | yard-o-beef | [16:44] | |
mercutio | m0unds has strange ideas on hostnames :) | [16:45] | |
m0unds | tangerine dream ftw
mine are all named after pelican songs | [16:45] | |
up_the_irons | m0unds: LOL | [16:45] | |
m0unds | haha | [16:45] | |
mercutio | m0unds: what aer your own boxes called? | [16:45] | |
m0unds | sirius, pulse, mammoth | [16:45] | |
mercutio | not quite so bad :) | [16:46] | |
m0unds | also wangsmith | [16:46] | |
up_the_irons | m0unds: tangerine dream could almost be a porn star name | [16:46] | |
m0unds | hahaha, yeah
probably is a stripper's name somewhere | [16:46] | |
up_the_irons | srsly | [16:46] | |
brycec | What /hasn't/ been used as a stripper's name? | [16:48] | |
m0unds | yard-o-beef
i hope well, maybe a male stripper's name or filet-o-fish i guess, that'd be pretty bad too | [16:48] | |
up_the_irons | lol
next time i go to a strip club i'm tellin' them my name is "yard-o-beef". I will report on the results. ;) | [16:49] | |
m0unds | hahah | [16:49] | |
mercutio | do strip clubs ask names? | [16:50] | |
brycec | Usually only when you're coming in the back door | [16:51] | |
up_the_irons | the strippers do | [16:51] | |
mercutio | i thought they were kind of impersonal places.
ahh just to get you to like them so you give them money | [16:51] | |
up_the_irons | yup | [16:51] | |
mercutio | i'd just say i was john doe probably | [16:52] | |
up_the_irons | they always ask names, try to be all friendly and stuff | [16:52] | |
mercutio | ahh ok
up_the_irons: what dif you think of acf's route-map? | [16:55] | |
up_the_irons | mercutio: looked promising | [16:55] | |
mercutio | cool. | [16:56] | |
up_the_irons | what's "z" in hacker... | [16:57] | |
mercutio | in l33t speak? | [16:57] | |
up_the_irons | yep
1337 | [16:57] | |
mercutio | i think it's just z? | [16:57] | |
m0unds | h4ckt3hpl4n4t | [16:57] | |
up_the_irons | what if it had to be a number... or a-f... you might see where i'm going with this... | [16:57] | |
mercutio | so like z317 | [16:57] | |
up_the_irons | lol | [16:57] | |
mercutio | for zeit | [16:57] | |
up_the_irons | yeah but i can't use 'z' in the IPv6 address :) | [16:58] | |
mercutio | UP_7|-|3_1r0||$ 1$ 1||70 L337?
| [16:58] | |
up_the_irons | maybe just ::3317 will do | [16:58] | |
mercutio | just do f00f or something | [16:58] | |
m0unds | hahaha | [16:59] | |
mercutio | b1ff | [16:59] | |
up_the_irons | 2317 | [16:59] | |
mercutio | b00b5 | [16:59] | |
up_the_irons | lol | [16:59] | |
mercutio | ofh it shoudl be 4 letters. | [16:59] | |
up_the_irons | 2 = z, close enough | [16:59] | |
m0unds | i'm boring and just use a, b, c, d, e, f etc | [16:59] | |
up_the_irons | zeit's IPv6 will be: 2607:f2f8:0:102::2317
upon second glance, that is as boring as anything else... bah next time, b00b | [17:00] | |
mercutio | yeah ther's no nice way to make ipv6 addresses look nice | [17:02] | |
jpalmer | thats what DNS is for, making ip's look nice :P | [17:02] | |
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mnathani | 7.1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa. 86400 IN PTR zeit.arpnetworks.com.
I guess one part has been taken care of | [17:57] | |
up_the_irons | It's all ready to go, i just need brycec to give me his pub key so he can login | [17:59] | |
mnathani | does it have its own vlan? | [18:03] | |
mercutio | heh, i'm sure people ask more technical questions here than other providers :) | [18:03] | |
up_the_irons | it's on one of our regular VLANs | [18:03] | |
mnathani | whats the max mtu supported on the dedicated nics for the backup lan? | [18:07] | |
up_the_irons | 9K | [18:08] | |
mercutio | nice
i wish "the internet" supported large mtu's | [18:09] | |
mnathani | up_the_irons: is there a sample /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 script for CentOS for use with the dedicated NIC
my attempt to initialize the NIC: Bringing up interface eth1: Device does not seem to be present, delaying initialization. | [18:11] | |
up_the_irons | no sample. it's just a regular NIC
the link-local that you should be able to reach is: fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08 | [18:12] | |
Guest32787 | I notice pretty consistently my ssh connection drops, it could possibly be due to the internet connection I'm on but I doubt this because I've never had problems before?
also I'd like to know how this person is able to talk to my broadcast [252089.854106] iptables denied: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=52:54:00:27:25:50:00:0d:65:ab:c8:bf:08:00 SRC=71.6.135.131 DST=206.125.168.79 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=117 ID=49532 PROTO=TCP SPT=32560 DPT=80 WINDOW=3474 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 wait nevermind it was blocked but still I did not know that was even possible. | [18:16] | |
mnathani | [root@cgirun ~]# ping6 -I eth1 fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08
PING fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08(fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08) from fe80::5054:ff:feb7:223e eth1: 56 data bytes 64 bytes from fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.29 ms up_the_irons: success! | [18:21] | |
up_the_irons | mnathani: awesome!
Guest32787: what's the other MAC? that does indeed look weird | [18:23] | |
Guest32787 | https://gist.github.com/paigeadele/92d7290e761e56e88a43 | [18:23] | |
BryceBot | Gist: "https://gist.github.com/92d7290e761e56e88a43" | [18:24] | |
Guest32787 | pretty happy with it over all | [18:24] | |
up_the_irons | both of those give me 500 errors | [18:24] | |
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up_the_irons | Guest32787: well, to the rest of the internet, they don't know it's a broadcast. broadcast addresses are routed the same way. i don't think my core is going to deny that as a valid address even if it *is* the broadcast on your vlan. i suspect the same would happen if someone sent a packet to your network number (the all zeros subnet address)
so, *shrug*, i think it's normal | [18:28] | |
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Guest32787 | yeah I think so too
I've never setup a network this way sadly so its just unusual to me | [18:36] | |
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erratic | different stuff to look for | [18:37] | |
I just decided it would be fun to start up my windows vm, and configure the network adapter to bridge my laptop's vpn adapter and see if I can configure a static v4/v6 address for it and it worked
I kinda wish it didnt' because, the vpn client connects to openvpn, which deals/pushes a config based on the CN of the client certificate and I wish it would only allow IP settings as per that config to be allowed for that client but oh well | [18:45] | ||
http://www.petros-project.com/
up_the_irons: can I possibly pay for my service for the months to come in advance? and possibly later if necesarry on a case by case basis just pay an additional $5 for 200GB of extra bandwidth when needed? | [18:51] | ||
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mercutio | erratic: you can just deny access to broadcast address
lots of people block it for various reasons | [19:15] | |
mnathani | up_the_irons: how do I verify if my mtu setting is working when accessing the backup server?
things like: ping6 -M do -s 8972 fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08%eth1 dont seem to work | [19:19] | |
mercutio | you are using ipv6
you need to go smaller | [19:21] | |
erratic | mercutio: already done | [19:21] | |
mercutio | 28 bytes is for ipv4 | [19:21] | |
mnathani | ping6 fe80::5054:ff:feb7:223e%eth1 -M do -s 10500
I meant 1500, does not work perhaps not all switches have jumbo frames enabled | [19:31] | |
mercutio | not all hosts accept large pings too
just see if tcp/ip traffic works tcpdump and check what the mtu says | [19:44] | |
mnathani | ls works in a directory when I am connected via the linklocal ssh to the backup server from my vps, but ls -l does not work.
verified using 2 different vps not sure if it has to do with the 9000 byte mtu | [19:51] | |
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set the MTU back to 1500 and things are working now | [20:13] | ||
mercutio | there may be a mtu issue somewhere in the middle :)
pmtu doesn't work usually i imagine his switches are fine, adn it may be the linux host that it goes via | [20:14] | |
brycec | IIRC up_the_irons may have to set the MTU of your bridge to the backup VLAN | [20:16] | |
m0unds | ^
was just thinking that | [20:16] | |
brycec | lol | [20:17] | |
mercutio | oh or that | [20:17] | |
brycec | Hey m0unds quick question - how much bandwidth (network/disk) does one of your cameras chew up? | [20:17] | |
m0unds | um, lowest bitrate we're using is on wlan segments and that's 1mbit/sec
typical is 2mbit | [20:18] | |
brycec | That's no tooooo bad. | [20:18] | |
m0unds | that's 720p @ 30ips, h264 2mbit | [20:18] | |
brycec | Was talking with a guy tasked with quoting cctv for a school | [20:18] | |
m0unds | ah | [20:20] | |
brycec | (And wondered what kind of storage was required)
"hey, I know a guy..." | [20:20] | |
m0unds | yeah, it's not too bad | [20:20] | |
brycec | This school ended up with 900 cameras, and they wanted all video stored off-site
Much laughing was laughed. | [20:20] | |
m0unds | 900 cameras at a school? | [20:21] | |
brycec | brycec shrugs | [20:21] | |
m0unds | wtf
hahah | [20:21] | |
brycec | Big school I guess, maybe multiple campuses. | [20:21] | |
m0unds | ah
okay, then that makes sense i was thinking..high school or something | [20:21] | |
brycec | (I really don't know) | [20:21] | |
m0unds | offsite video wouldn't be too bad, assuming offsite could mean different location within like 70km | [20:22] | |
mercutio | dark fibre? | [20:22] | |
brycec | It was for some city's public schools, and the way he talked, it was for one school. But doesn't matteer. | [20:22] | |
m0unds | yea | [20:22] | |
brycec | lol
School district was definitely looking to cheap out, so no fibre | [20:22] | |
m0unds | ah, so magic remote video storage | [20:23] | |
brycec | Regardless, that's ~3GBps... | [20:23] | |
up_the_irons | mnathani: for your host on kvr29, try the mtu thing again | [20:23] | |
m0unds | yeah, a bit goofy | [20:23] | |
up_the_irons | bridge was still 1500, as well as physical int; looks like i never made that change on that host (need to add it to puppet) | [20:23] | |
brycec | m0unds: Not very smart people are involved too... not surprising, really. I'm waiting for a multicast flood :D | [20:24] | |
m0unds | bwahaha
we're gonna be adding some cameras at an admin building about 7mi from this facility our IS dept is having 70 pairs of SM run between here and there | [20:24] | |
brycec | Fun fun! | [20:26] | |
m0unds | yup | [20:27] | |
brycec | Welp I'm out again... adios | [20:28] | |
m0unds | ttyl | [20:28] | |
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mnathani | up_the_irons: 9000 byte mtu on kvr29 is a go.: 8408 bytes from fe80::21b:21ff:fe93:3e08: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.13 ms
probably something similar on kvr02 | [21:02] | |
mercutio | any performance difference? | [21:04] | |
mnathani | sent 395 bytes received 1857525269 bytes 30702903.54 bytes/sec
atleast 1.5 times faster without the 9000 mtu: sent 395 bytes received 1857525269 bytes 20081358.53 bytes/sec is there a way to cycle the colours assigned to nicks in weechat? brycec and m0unds got assigned the same color and now I have a page full of cyan. (They had a lot of back and forth messages in the last hour) | [21:07] | |
brycec | lol mnathani I know what you mean
especially hard to read things with nicks of the same length | [21:21] | |
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mnathani | I gues I could just quit weechat and re-join | [21:33] | |
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mnathani | no go: still the same colours for brycec and m0unds | [21:34] | |
brycec | mnathani: If it's like the irssi plugin, it's based on the length of the nick | [21:35] | |
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m0unds | wee, my AC blew up | [21:50] | |
mercutio | eek | [21:54] | |
brycec | At least you had AC to blow up :p
up_the_irons: zeit's setup | [22:01] | |
mnathani | brycec: is it limited to respond only to ARP addresses? Or will it be part of a larger pool - open to all ? | [22:04] | |
brycec | I set it up publicly
Even part of pool.ntp.org up_the_irons is free to object http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/2607:f2f8:0:102::2317 http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/208.79.89.249 | [22:04] | |
mnathani | brycec: cool | [22:06] | |
brycec | Only 100mbps so don't flood it >.>
<.< (or maybe it's mirrors.arpnetworks.com that's 100mbps) | [22:06] | |
mnathani | ntpdate: 20 Jun 01:11:05 ntpdate[2086]: step time server 208.79.89.249 offset -170.759611 sec | [22:11] | |
brycec | sheesh mnathani | [22:13] | |
m0unds | haha, i don't think houses exist in NM without some form of climate control
unless you live in a 200 year old half-buried adobe thing in taos or something haha | [22:14] | |
brycec | m0unds: Up on the Canadian border (or close to) they do. Well most new houses have central heat/cool. But apartments are lucky if they have a little wall/window unit. | [22:15] | |
m0unds | yeah, i had a friend who lived in victoria and didn't have AC
but i said NM :) not cananadada my buddy's apt in southern california didn't have AC either, now that i think about it (seal beach area) | [22:16] | |
brycec | harsh | [22:17] | |
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mercutio | is it just me or is verizon/comcast looking better tonight | [22:51] | |
acf_ | not Verizon
according to smokeping anyway | [22:53] | |
mercutio | comcast has 0 packets dropped with 100 packets | [22:54] | |
acf_ | comcast is super intermittent
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.comcastnet | [22:54] | |
mercutio | oh wow
and verizon is slightly intermittent maybe i was just lucky now i'm finding loss | [22:55] | |
acf_ | ah | [22:56] | |
mercutio | have you tried curl with smokeping? | [22:56] | |
acf_ | you mean instead of fping?
I haven't | [22:56] | |
mercutio | or as well
it's pretty good for showing throughput | [22:56] | |
acf_ | I'll have to configure that up | [22:57] | |
mercutio | it's not too bad
http://pastebin.com/2TNdU3tb i forced ipv4 and noproxy as i have http_proxy in envronment and restarted smokeping and ipv6 gives different performance to ipv4, and when you connect via hostname it can often default to it giving misleading results. | [22:57] | |
acf_ | thanks for the config
I'll drop it in | [23:02] | |
mercutio | i have a few targets
i just gave one as an example i do most of my testing on port 24 to bypass proxies | [23:03] | |
acf_ | bypass proxies?
where is the traffic proxied? | [23:04] | |
mercutio | transparent proxies
anywhere | [23:05] | |
acf_ | I actually wasn't aware that existed
on the public internet | [23:05] | |
mercutio | traffic is transparent proied on most isp's here | [23:06] | |
mnathani | how can a transparent proxy be detected?
is it stuff is forefront or squid? | [23:06] | |
mercutio | lots of them spoof the client ip these days
tcptraceroute is usually the easisest way | [23:06] | |
acf_ | why would they want/need to have them? | [23:07] | |
mercutio | performance, bandwith savings
i'm in favour of proxying tbh i wish things like wikipedia would cache better though and it means if there's connections like wifi it tends to improve performance or overloaded web sties 3g networks do it soemetimes too afaik | [23:08] | |
up_the_irons | mnathani: roger on the 9000 mtu
brycec: thanks for setting up zeit! i don't mind it being part of pool.ntp.org, as long as that dumb monlist thing is turned off (e.g. the NTP amp. attacks we saw a couple months ago) | [23:13] | |
acf_ | up_the_irons: quick question
is it possible for arp metal customers to be on the backup network? | [23:15] | |
mnathani | you are already on gigabit LAN, so whats the point?
perhaps the jumbo frames, maybe | [23:16] | |
acf_ | yeah
jumbo frames, and inter-customer connectivity | [23:16] | |
up_the_irons | acf_: i haven't done that before. all ports are access ports (not trunk), or in non-cisco speak, they are untagged ports. so i can't give ARP Metal customers the backup vlan tag. However, with some modifications, it's not impossible. | [23:17] | |
mnathani | up_the_irons: any idea why the 9000mtu wouldnt work on my kvr02 VPS? | [23:18] | |
brycec | up_the_irons: Yep, long-patched in ntp, And i've double-checked it. | [23:18] | |
mercutio | so port wuold have to be switched to trunk | [23:19] | |
mnathani | brycec: did you install something like fail2ban or apf/bfd for the ntp server to deal with brute force attempts | [23:19] | |
up_the_irons | mnathani: cuz i haven't made the same changes as i did on kvr29
brycec: awesome, tnx brycec: the ssh port should be changed; cheap way to avoid a potential of problems | [23:19] | |
mercutio | acl ssh? | [23:21] | |
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up_the_irons | to all who would like to beta test zeit (our new official NTP server, thanks to brycec), you can use: zeit.arpnetworks.com | [23:37] | |
brycec | mnathani: fail2ban
up_the_irons: sure, one sec up_the_irons: everything looking clean with your tcpdumps? | [23:37] | |
up_the_irons | yeah, not much traffic :) | [23:38] | |
brycec | not yet anyways
My ARP VPS has 602 hosts in its monlist, but it's been public for a little while | [23:38] | |
up_the_irons | cool | [23:40] | |
mnathani: your kvr02 vps should be good to go with mtu 9k now also | [23:51] |
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