mercutio: err s/verizon/comcast/
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   acf_: up_the_irons: here's a paste
   
 ip as-path access-list 4 permit _701_
   
 ip as-path access-list 4 deny .*
   
 route-map crappyisp permit 10
   
 match as-path 4
   
 set as-path prepend 25795
   
 I mean http://paste.unixcube.org/k/961352
   mercutio: oh did i delete the line somehow
   acf_: don't think so
   
 I just added it
   mercutio: ok cool
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   up_the_irons: acf_: ok interesting
   acf_: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/6e9d7a
   
 ^ contains more ASNs (in case you wanted to match more)
   mercutio: verizon is still congesting
   
 i left a trace running
   
 i thoguht it was ok by this time normally
   
 acf: there's also at&t
   
 maybe just prepend all ntt traffic by one :)
   acf_: oh forgot about them
   mercutio: at&t have two asn's
   acf_: are there any others I missed?
   
 like Time Warner or Frontier or something
   mercutio: AS7018, AS17233
   
 tbh, i think it's better to go step by step
   
 it's unknown whether it's forward or reverse path
   
 and level3 isn't advertised yet i think
   acf_: yeah
   
 for Verizon I think we determined forward from arp
   mercutio: and for every one you add it's good to make note of before/after
   
 so you can complain to ntt properly :)
   up_the_irons: -rw-r--r--    1 garry    garry       13227 Jun 14  2000 objects.php
   
 hmmm
   
 that's one OLD server
   mercutio: it's an old server not an old file?
   
 is that php3 or php4? :)
   acf_: looks like verizon is *not congested* for about 6 hours/day
   mercutio: oh wow
   
 that's pretty insane
   acf_: that is it's congested 75% of the time
   
 http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?epoch_start=1402988400;hierarchy=;epoch_end=1403024400;target=Remote.verizonnet;displaymode=n;start=2014-06-17%2000%3A00;end=2014-06-17%2010%3A00
   
 those are the six
   mercutio: acf: well some of that level3 blog stuff was disturbing
   
 100 gigabit links run to capacity
   acf_: I didn't notice the capacity of the links
   
 oh wow "It is a 100Gbps interconnect in Dallas"
   mercutio: no excuses for that really
   
 you can't say it's only a few users
   acf_: I wonder if Verizon, etc... will even be better with Level3
   
 given that they have the same issues
   mercutio: i think so
   
 it's worth a shot
   acf_: http://blog.level3.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/route_info_1.jpg
   
 the text blotched out is potentially "verizon"
   
 or "comcast"
   mercutio: up_the_irons could add a static route for /32 of verizon.net
   
 that's dallas
   acf_: that's a really good idea actually
   
 because it wouldn't really affect anything
   mercutio: that's how i normally test things
   up_the_irons: mercutio: pretty sure that is php3 :)
   mercutio: yeah it's about the transition time
   
 and if you aren't quick to leap on new stuff now, you probably wern't back then :)
   up_the_irons: :)
   mercutio: what do you think about our idea of a shared lan segment different from the backup one?
   up_the_irons: it's possible
   
 hardly a lot of demand though
   
 and really wouldn't be any different than the backup one
   
 bbl
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   brycec: I would've guessed PHP4. PHP3 was still traditionally .php3 , the .php didn't come about until php4
   
 Of course you could always use whatever extension you wanted... But as far as what the docs showed/said to use.
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   hazardous: .phtml
   
 lol
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   mercutio: brycec: point, i wonder :)
   brycec: lol phtml
   mercutio: i don't remember phtml
   brycec: heh http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11859015/what-is-phtml-and-when-should-i-use-a-phtml-extension-rather-than-php
   mercutio: google knows all
   
 oh php2, i don't remember php2
   
 php stated at php3 for me
   brycec: Same. I knew of PHP2, but it wasn't really "a thing" yet. PHP3 was when it broke free and got popular
   
 Also PHP2 sucked
   mercutio: php still sucks :)
   
 although at least people are investing in making things faster
   
 fwiw, apparently lua jit is extremely fast
   brycec: PHP sucks for vastly different reasons than PHP2 did
   
 php2 was still hacked together, php3 they had a working parser and stuff
   
 And overall, the language is still poorly thought out with inconsistencies everywhere.
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   mercutio: like perl
   brycec: (Some functions are $needle,$haystack, others are $haystack,$needle. and both need to die in a fire)
   
 @diaf php
   BryceBot: php, AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH IT BURNS IT BURNS IT BURNS. Oh. Wait. No it doesn't. I have no feelings.
   mercutio: i don't erally like the notion of each page being independant code
   
 and just pulling in what it needs
   
 i prefer the idea of applications, that deal with various areas
   
 and run all the time
   
 but  php is fine as far as footer/header/small amounts of code
   
 i suppose that's a separate issue
   
 the problem with php is that it's "good enough"
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   mercutio: hmm lag of 90 seconds atm
   m0unds: hm
   mercutio: now it went away
   
 funny hwo this channel is sometimes very active, adn other times it's just splits, nothing happening etc
   gizmoguy: hi
   mercutio: hi gizmo
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   m0unds: howdy gizmoguy
   gizmoguy: any OCaml experts around
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   mercutio: not i
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   mnathani: Anyone else get spam from: ARIN Ticketing System today?
   erratic_: heh
   mnathani: whats a good way to copy / paste mtr output so it is still legible?
   mercutio: resize the wnidow to not be too wide
   
 and paste it into something with a monospaced font
   
 it'd be kind of cool if it could automatically just store results
   
 and be able to create reports etc :)
   
 if you run it with --report it's easier
   
 but you don't get result until the end
   mnathani: thanks, trying --report now
   mercutio: you do --report-cycles=25 etc for how many you want
   
 it defaults to 1 a second, so that'll take 25 seconds
   mnathani: yea set to 100
   
 the congestion or whatever that was I was trying to troubleshoot has cleared up though
   mercutio: that's why repotr is annoying
   
 because you do a mtr, and you identify an issue
   
 then you want to reproduce with report and it's behaving itself.
   mnathani: http://pastebin.com/F73iFTPQ
   
 thats my mtr report showing both directions
   
 80msec is kinda high though for LAX to SJE
   mercutio: damn nlayer and their icmp deprioristation
   
 it's going cia chicago i think?
   
 ae4-587.cr2.ord1.us.nlayer.net
   
 that's chicago right?
   mnathani: looks like it
   
 @iata ord
   BryceBot: ORD: O'Hare International Airport (formerly Orchard Depot Field) located in Chicago, Illinois, United States
   mercutio: so nlayer san jose to los angeles is via chicago
   
 so nlayer have a down link in california i imagine
   
 because i imagnie normally it's direct
   mnathani: what about above.net
   
 lax to sje with 80msec
   mercutio: ho hmm
   
 ahh.. but what's the return path for above.net ?
   
 from san jose
   mnathani: nlayer again?
   
 traceroutes really confuse me
   mercutio: oh, it looks iltk it yes
   
 so yeah it's just the nlayer issue
   
 most liskely
   
 it's what 10 msec from san jose to los angeles noramlly
   
 and 55 msec from san jose to chicago?
   
 that's both directions
   
 so really it's behaving like it's going via chicago in both directions latency wise
   
 so it may be that there's congestion due to link failure as well
   
 it's 52 msec to chicago from asn jose
   
 san
   
 via cogent
   
 and 60 msec from los angeles
   mnathani: lol
   
 its back to sub 15msec
   
 end to end
   mercutio: that's still high
   
 i'm getting 8.9 msec from san jose to los angeles
   
 but i suppose that's normal if it's dsl/cable/etc
   mnathani: more like 10msec actually
   mercutio: oh yip
   
 that's what you'd expect
   
 so yeah i'd go with some congestion plus rerouting
   
 where congestion was prboably created from the rerouting
   mnathani: atleast they didnt just drop the packets
   
 http://pastebin.com/vWyaM7s2 < Thats the updated mtr reports
   mercutio: yeah
   
 this paste has been removed oh
   
 i was having cut and paste issues a,d it added %20 <
   
 yeah that looks good
   
 it's only icmp deprioritisation making it look high
   mnathani: If the issue persisted, would ARP or the other host look into it?
   mercutio: nlayer would be the one to look into it
   mnathani: they probably would not even talk to me - seeing how I am not a customer of theirs
   
 maybe emailing their noc might help
   mercutio: probably not
   
 nlayer is reasnoably ok
   mnathani: tinet, gtt, and nlayer are all the same?
   mercutio: tinet isn't
   
 gtt bought out mzima who bought out nlayer i think?
   mnathani: In April 2013 GTT acquired the IP network Tinet from Inteliquent, for $54.5 million in cash and services.[6]
   
 as per wikipedia
   mercutio: oh
   hazardous: i still stand by my b elief that inteliquent is almost as bad/weird a name as ti sparkle