mercutio: and prefer faster loading pages
like from cdns
actually when i say search engines, i mean google, and it's only what i've heard
acf: i have limited anycast
usually you use your normal asn for anycast, but you do have to kind of dedicate a /24 to it
the most used case for anycast atm is dns
and dns resolvers often consult dns servers that aren't the cloesst location. if using anycast you still should have more than one server location
err, i mean you shouldn't just advertise a /24 in multiple locations, and all of your name servers as seperate hosts at that location, as if location has an issue thigns can become unreachable.
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plett: mercutio: Anycasting dns resolvers is very commonplace. We do that within our network mainly for resiliance, so resolvers in one city are reachable on the same IPs the clients are using if one set fail
mercutio: Doing it on the authoritative side is slightly more controversial though. When DNS was invented hostnames were never intended to change IP rapidly, or to have different records depending on where you were asking from.
It was intended that record caching would keep the answers local in the resolver for popular hosts, and only be re-fetched from the authoritative server once a day/week/month/whatever
In that model it doesn't really matter if the authoriative server is 500ms away, as you're only sending it one query a week
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mercutio: well now ttl's are like 300 seconds etc plett
peltt: dns resolvers and authorative are both commonly anycast now
but it's also common for people to anycast primatry and secondary dns servers
it's also common not to
but if you anycast to the same dc...
one of the cdn's was doing it i think
and i'm pretty sure opendns do it too
plett it is actually realyl hard to benchmark dns performance though, most isp's are fast for google etc, but when you get to werid domain names they can vary
so do you take notice of "average request time" or how quick the less common domain name lookusp are
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m0unds: you could always test w/dnsbench (late reply)
it can be a handy way to test recursive resolver perf
brycec: (no later a reply than up_the_irons ...)
He must have overexerted himself last week upgrading 2 hosts
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m0unds: http://i.imgur.com/uqmZK9v.png wee
brycec: heh
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acf_: nice netsplit there
m0unds: yep
m0unds: btw, up_the_irons emailed NTT
got the same response as I did
m0unds: fantastic
brycec: bummer
m0unds: it's rendering my use of this vm as a ts/murmur server sort of moot since 80% of my users are on comcast or centurylink
both of which have heavily congested ntt peering during peak hrs
acf_: yeah, I know what you mean
m0unds: i moved murmur and teamspeak to a box on my home cable connection temporarily so we can actually use voice
haha
acf_: up_the_irons hasn't been around in a while, maybe he'll do something when he gets back
yeah, it kills voip
m0unds: i'd only use ts, but some of the guys who play project reality really like the positional audio stuff you can do w/PR and mumble
acf_: hmm, interesting
brycec: @last up_the_irons
BryceBot: brycec, I last saw up_the_irons 4 days 19 hours 51 min 15 sec ago saying in a channel: m0unds: roger.
brycec: nearly 5 days...
acf_: he'll have a giant /away log to go through
m0unds: hahaha
dr_jkl: up_the_irons: my vps is still network-deaf :|
hazardous: who's roger
brycec: "The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) officially defines the word "roger" to mean "I have received all of your transmission.""
hazardous: i wonder why roger of all things
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brycec: hazardous: Before 'r' was romeo in phonetic alphabets, 'roger' was used.
@wiki Voice procedure
BryceBot: Voice procedure :: Voice procedure includes various techniques used to clarify, simplify, and standardize spoken communications over two-way radios, in use by the military, in civil aviation, police and fire dispatching systems, citizens' band radio (CB), etc. Specially, for civil aviation - it used to be called aeronautical phraseology. Voice procedure communications are intended to... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice%20procedure
brycec: "Roger" was the U.S. military designation for the letter R (as in received) from 1927 to 1957.[4]
dr_jkl: *sigh*
BryceBot: *sigh*
dr_jkl: no ticket update in 24h for a deaf server :|
acf_: dr_jkl: what exactly is happening?
dr_jkl: acf_: account was reactivated from suspension and the vlan is supposedly active but the vps can't ping it's gateway or the world
networking is configured correctly
and while the initial response to the ticket was nice and fast, i updated the ticket at around 6pm last night and here we are at 7pm today and i have the cube root of sweet fuck-all to show for it
acf_: out of curiosity, what happens if you run tcpdump on the interface
and try to ping the machine from outside
dr_jkl: i can't, because tcpdump isnt installed on this box
and i cant reach the world :D
so
traceroute stops at r1.lax.arpnetworks.com so it's not my issue
acf_: s1.lax?
dr_jkl: r1.lax.arpnetworks.com (208.79.88.2)
thats the last hop before the void
acf_: is that normally the last hop before your box?
brycec: So what you do is open hexedit and start copying over tcpdump :p
acf_: lol
or zmodem
maybe check the output of ifconfig
brycec: Heck you could base64 encode/decode files and paste it through console.arpnetworks.com
dr_jkl: acf_: tbh i do not know, i haven't had a reason to poke this box for ~6months
acf_: see if it says it received anything
RX bytes:250505173287 (233.3 GiB) TX bytes:257057917197 (239.4 GiB)
also arp -a
dr_jkl: my rx/tx counts are in the kilobyte range, the thing is deaf as a post
my arp cache is empty
acf_: ahh darn
well, hope you get that fixed soon
I'm sure you'll get a reply within 48 hours of your posting
dr_jkl: yeah considering i have to do stuff on this box today i am kinda hoping it gets fixed sooner rather than later
brycec: I just up up_the_irons wasn't run over by a bus or similar
dr_jkl: up_the_irons: you werent run over by a bus were you
brycec: It's very unusual for him to be silent so long
acf_: when did he reply to your support ticket the first time?
dr_jkl: brycec: i know... i mean
brycec: The upside: Free service until things break down. <.<
>.>
(at least for those with working VPSs)
dr_jkl: acf_: 6/16/14 @ 06:02pm (T+6 minutes
so it was rly fast
brycec: June 16? That would be last night...
acf_: so he was alive then :)
dr_jkl: yeah
brycec: So where was he??? Why wasn't he here then?
Unless you're referring to the autoresponder...
dr_jkl: im just getitng shit from people who need stuff the box provides
and i mean
i cant really be mad
thing got suspended because the card expired and nobody noticed
& the lack of response is very atypical
its almost like the ethernet interface isnt attached properly in whatever hypervisor etc is being used
acf_: I think he probably just disabled your vlan config thingy on the router
do you have multiple boxen with arp?
dr_jkl: he said he enabled it
acf_: no
brycec: Perhaps he reused your IP on another vlan?
dr_jkl: thats the thing, he said it was enabled, so i poked around and im like 'nope, use a bigger hammer'
acf_: well, in the mean time, you *could* try brycec's base64 idea
get the .deb or whatever, base64 encode it, write a perl/python script...
dr_jkl: i'm not sure i want to put the effort into that for a $10 vps
brycec: It can't be that much effort...
acf_: what variant of Linux?
dr_jkl: debian wheezy
acf_: oh cool
brycec: The binary is only 16,741 lines base64-encoded
acf_: do you have libpcap?
dr_jkl: 'only' lol
acf_: probably not - i made this box a mailserver and didnt really put anything else on because i was in a hurry
brycec: dr_jkl: just curious, what's the IP of your host?
dr_jkl: won't make that mistake again
brycec: 174.136.100.58
brycec: Yep, the router just doesn't know where to go with it.
acf_: dpkg-query -l libpcap0.8
dpkg-query -l libssl1.0.0
dpkg-query -l multiarch-support
brycec: So I'm guessing that the VLAN was reenabled, but the router didn't get the /29 readded to it.
dr_jkl: acf_: nada
acf_: brycec: ever heard of r1.lax?
brycec: yes
dr_jkl: brycec: the irritating problem is it's like 30 seconds worth of work for something that has me dead in the water :P
brycec: Maybe the Debian ISO has the package?
acf_: oh good idea
dr_jkl: brycec: i was given the netinst iso, i doubt it
brycec: Or at least boot to one of the other ISOs that has tcpdump on it
dr_jkl: if the iso is still there, i mean
acf_: you can change ISOs in the portal
to basically anything
brycec: There are some "rescue" ones that might
dr_jkl: oh yeah i forgot i can do that
but he only hsa the debian netinst
:|
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mus1cb0x: happy to report back that enabling the green status bar (and therefore clock->minutely network traffic for update) has caused my connection to vps on kvr14 to become stable
2 days and no d/c which wouldn't have happened before
so is the most likely cause of the silent broken pipe my pf config losing state after some time and treating the connection traffic as unknown?
mercutio: mus1cb0x: is this since the node update?
mus1cb0x: last monday?
mercutio: something like that
i'm on kvr15 so i can't be sure :)
mus1cb0x: it seemed like it, however i doubt it now. i think it's a config problem on my end
mercutio: i don't really use state with pf myself
mus1cb0x: why not?
mercutio: i don't see the point
and it can break things :)
i hate it when i have a ssh open for a couple of days, adn i type something on it, and it closes
and that kind of problem is quite common when using state
which means applications have to send regular puluses to stay alive
mus1cb0x: yea true
mercutio: ssh has rekeying at least
i use the arguement sometimes that state doesn't work with ddos
but really on a "good" ddos nothing works
mus1cb0x: rekeying?
mercutio: ssh changes it's key between client/server
erratic: acf_: no response, just requested a quote for a dedi from prq
mus1cb0x: i don't get your point on state and ddos 'working'
dr_jkl: sadly, the person i was doing the work for has decided to go with another company over arp because of this :|
*shrug* i tried...
mus1cb0x: over what dr_jkl?
erratic: itll be spensive but tired of waiting and presumably they can get it done Ive had good experiences with them in the past
dr_jkl: mus1cb0x: no update to ticket in 24h for a server with a netowrking problem on arp's end
i tried. sorry guys.
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acf_: erratic: dedi sounds expensive
did they say the could route you a /29 ?
it might be nice to have it at prq actually if you're going to be in Europe
mus1cb0x: what's prq?
acf_: http://prq.se/
erratic: acf_: waiting to find out from them
mus1cb0x: looks good
erratic: acf_: yeah I donno it means a lot to me I've wanted this for a long time now and finally I found arp and they seem too busy
acf_: I'd give it a bit more time
usually up_the irons is pretty fast on the response time
it's also a really nice service once it's set up
erratic: ooo
http://prq.se/?p=special&intl=1
lol
mercutio: ddos often overflows state tables
acf_: BryceBot: 625 SEK to USD
erratic: its about 90 dollars
acf_: not too bad
erratic: it really would make more sense to colo with them
http://prq.se/?p=colo&intl=1
up_the_irons: ...alright, going through a ton of scrollback. This was my b-day weekend and also Father's Day, so i've been pretty afk...
acf_: definitely if you have a nice 1U lying around
up_the_irons: good to see you back
mercutio: up_the_irons lives :)
acf_: and happy birthday
erratic: happy bday :)
mercutio: aol me too happy birthday
is that gemini or cancer
gemini i imagine
up_the_irons: gemini
erratic: acf_: well I know tpb doesn't use prq anymore, wonder if I could contact that neij fellow and get him to colo my box in some unknown location (pirate party data center cough cough) for me
mus1cb0x: aol?
mercutio: mus1cb0x: people on aol used to say me too to a whole lot of posts
without adding anything useful to the discussion.
mus1cb0x: was that just an aol thing?
mercutio: no, but aol typified it
mus1cb0x: oh
erratic: lol/win 4
mercutio: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/A/AOL-.html
brycec: the great up_the_irons returns!
mus1cb0x: "See also September that never ended."
hahaha
no doubt
brycec: acf_: @exch
@exch 625 SEK to USD
BryceBot: 625 SEK -> 94.164966172931 USD (as of Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:00:44 -0700)
acf_: ah thanks brycec
brycec: PS happy birthday up_the_irons
today is my lady's birthday... and I'm still at the office :(
up_the_irons: ty all for the birthday wishes
@exch 400 eur to usd
BryceBot: 400 EUR -> 541.87031959511 USD (as of Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:00:44 -0700)
up_the_irons: mnathani: IPv6 BGP and IPv4 BGP work similarly, yes
mnathani: up_the_irons: good to know
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up_the_irons: erratic: "do you guys have any clients who need large numbers of instances?" -- I can answer this, but i'm not sure i understand the question...
mnathani: basically, everything is a tagged port
erratic: yeah I wreckon anybody would want that would just go with rackspace or ec2
sorry to ask
up_the_irons: mnathani: brycec : mercutio : the backup VLAN is indeed a single VLAN, so everyone who has the dedicated NIC for the backup server is on a "shared switch", so-to-speak; and yeah, you can see other customers' backup port
mnathani: up_the_irons: so, technically I could request the dedicated NIC on 2 VMs, and pass traffic between them using their link local IPv6 at Gigabit speeds?
and those vms dont necessarily need to be on the same customer account
up_the_irons: mnathani: yeah that sounds right
mnathani: up_the_irons: cool
up_the_irons: erratic: well, we don't have too many customers that have like 30 VMs, but there are some
mnathani: up_the_irons: do you create a bridge interface for each VPS to communicate on a different VLAN on each KVR host
up_the_irons: bridges are involved, yes
mnathani: no plans for a looking glass in the near future, i just don't have the time to set it up
acf_ | I think he uses Qemu/KVM with an in-house management system
acf_: ^^ that's correct
novae: up_the_irons: Happy birthday!
up_the_irons: erratic: btw, i'm sorry for the slow response times; it's not typical. Father's Day and my b-day weekend all at once, so things got behind.
novae: tnx!
erratic: sorry about that
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brycec: I'll volunteer to run+admin the ARP Networks NTP server, up_the_irons :) (I'm already running one http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/2607:f2f8:a650::3 http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/174.136.103.130)
(But I'm rubbish on LG, sorry)
up_the_irons: brycec: tell me what you need to get started (or if you just want to use your existing one(s), that's cool too)
mercutio: looking glass is pretty easy to do with openbsd
brycec: up_the_irons: I'd be happy to use my existing one, but it's tied to my account so I'd rather not (what if my CC should fail, then ARP's NTP would be down). It's exceedingly minimal, the "small" package would be more than enough. (Could probably do it in 128MB and 2GB) And since you're familiar with Debian/Ubuntu, I'd say put up a Debian image.
acf_: it would be neat to have a hardware GPS reference on it
not sure about feasablity though
mercutio: acf: yeah
brycec: That's less feasible...
mercutio: it's probably not unfesasable
acf_: if it'll go through the datacenter ceiling?
up_the_irons: brycec: ok, i'll have to set up a new VM for it then
mercutio: can't ti go through the window
brycec: It would require an antenna on the roof and patching the antenna down to the datacenter, probably $$ for it.
mercutio: i suppose it depends how close to window it is :)
brycec: mercutio: windows... like to the outside world? in the middle of a datacenter?
mercutio: ok that sounds complicated bryce
acf_: it might "just work"
mercutio: bryce: that's what the dc where iam is like haha
i forget they're not all like that
not all datacentres are in basements
acf_: I think arp machines are at 900 N Alameda
brycec: source: I've worked with cell companies, which require GPS signal
acf_: it's a post office?
brycec: Probably a former post office ;)
mercutio: i see windows :)
brycec: Big fancy datacenters with all kinds of safeguards and security don't have windows on to the floor
acf_: up_the_irons can see if his phone gets GPS in there?
mercutio: http://www.coresite.com/locations/los-angeles
brycec: What if there's a storm and the window breaks?
mercutio: i'm looking at that top image, which i got when searching for 900 n
erratic_: or an earth quake
mercutio: bryce: tehy're reinforced.
well earthquake is more relevant
erratic_: or like that movie right at your door
mercutio: i've been in a big earthquake, and server issues wren't that major
the biggest problems were things ilke generator power
and refuqeling
because of restricted access etc
brycec: I'm just going to let up_the_irons answer whether there are windows exposed to the floor...
erratic_: but what about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_at_Your_Door
BryceBot: Right at Your Door :: Right at Your Door is a 2006 American thriller film about a couple and follows the events surrounding them when multiple dirty bombs detonate in Los Angeles. Chris Gorak both wrote the screenplay and directed the film in his writing and directorial debuts. It was first screened at the Sundance Film Festival in January 2006 where it was nominated for Cinematography Award and the Grand Jury Prize, winning the Cinematography..
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erratic_: lol
mercutio: with that flooding in new york i think that was the general problem too
up_the_irons: no windows in the suite that my cage is in
there are windows on the same floor
erratic_: Im going to watch this now on netflix
mercutio: ok well gps is off :)
well probably off
is there cellphone reception there ok?
brycec: GPS isn't impossible, but a whole lot more work than it's worth. Being a stratum 2 is plenty.
mercutio: general recommendation for ntp servers is 3
or more
is the idea to have one arp ntp in the pool?
brycec: mercutio: the idea is to have an NTP server on-net, for low-latency and in case The Internet implodes
mercutio: in the normal pool?
brycec: (It's been requested a few times)
If up_the_irons is okay with it, sure. Or maybe he'd prefer it were ARP customer only
mercutio: what if it goes down? what if it has widely wrong time?
erratic_: what if theres a zombie virus out break and the zombies start attacking the servers
brycec: mercutio: both of which are addressed in NTP protocol
mercutio: the idea of 3 servers or more is that if one has widely inaccruate time, you need 3 of them to balance it out
brycec: s/balance it out/invalidate it
BryceBot: <mercutio> the idea of 3 servers or more is that if one has widely inaccruate time, you need 3 of them to invalidate it
mercutio: heh
brycec: *whoosh*
BryceBot: Bye brycec!
erratic_: acf_: how is the latency using a tunnel?
prq was guranteed at least 200ms
acf_: depends on where you are
since I'm not too far from lax, I get ~10ms sometimes
when Comcast and NTT aren't being stupid :)
mercutio: how is the comcast issue going
acf_: afaik not good
up_the_irons got the same response as I did for the Verizon one
and nothing has changed on NTT/Comcast end
mercutio: did anyone see the level3 blog?
http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/
acf_: erratic_: I get 154ms from ARP to xs4all.nl fwiw
erratic_: thats cool
acf_: mercutio: yeah, saw that a while ago
very interesting read
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mercutio: "interesting" is one way to put it
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mercutio: the problems are mostly us-centric
acf_: yep. US ISPs suck
mercutio: and mostly in areas were monopolys exist
acf_: which is everywhere?
mercutio: heh
so if comcast/verizon/at&t have issues to cogent/ntt/level3
which side is to blame
erratic_: yeah I dont understand the us anymore, pretty much everything is comcast
mercutio: there's at&t dsl quite commonly available i thought?
erratic_: I wont buy service from them anymore
acf_: Comcast, TWC, AT&T, Cox, Verizon, CenturyLink
that's all of them afaik
mercutio: cox is cheap and nasty right?
but still better than the others?
acf_: we have Comcast here, Cox next door
I've heard relatively good things about Cox actually
mercutio: that youtube thing was saying that twc and comcast won't compete?
acf_: haven't heard of any peering congestion issues, but that doesn't mean the don't exist
yeah, they have their regional monopolies
mercutio: i've heard bad things about comcast and verizon
acf_: they want to merge, and they're arguing that it won't reduce competition
mercutio: and i've heard that at&t is ok if you wsant a cheap slow service.
acf_: verizon sucks super duper bad
erratic_: yep yep yep
f*** verizon
mercutio: at&t is like $30/month for a cheap plan?
erratic_: they will never get a dime from me
acf_: frontier ?
mercutio: i get disconcerted when i read price for 6 months
erratic_: frontier did some pretty stupid stuff when I used them
acf_: frontier is old verizon afaik. I guess I should count them?
mercutio: $25 for 3 megabit for 6 months
acf_: http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.verizon-snloca-dsl
look at the graph for ec2
mercutio: dunno how much it changes to
erratic_: yeah theyre pretty much fios (which is nice and terrible support wise)
acf_: http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.verizon-snloca
non DSL router in the same building as from the previous one
we don't have fios here
I heard they stopped deploying it completely?
mercutio: so how much of the market does comcast have?
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acf_: here, probably Verizon's only market is people who don't know what the Internet is
everybody else has Comcast
Verizon's speed/service is just unbearable
mercutio: is it just a location thing?
acf_: idk about other places. I would guess it's pretty much the same everywhere for DSL
fios is very competitive though
Comcast and Verizon compete aggressively in areas with fios
mercutio: i dunno my friend had verizon and it seemed to have ok speeds, just terrible peering
it was vdsl
oh and it had higher pings
acf_: strange. was it on the west or east coast?
they're independent systems I think
mercutio: kansas?
what is that considered
acf_: not sure
mercutio: middle
if you look at a map, it seems it's bsaically in the middle of the US
acf_: yeah, DSL uses an error correction algorithm that basically adds 32ms
atleast ADSL
mercutio: dsl varies in that respect, but yes
my adsl has 10 msec pings
to next hop
acf_: probably east coast system. I've never seen vdsl anywhere around here
I guess your adsl is on "fastpath"
erratic_: I want candy and cookies and cupcakes
mercutio: "is Kanasas on the east or west coast?" "Neither, it's right in the middle"
it's really hard to determine which it is isn't it
yeah my adsl is fast path
acf_: Verizon won't do fast path here
mercutio: vdsl on fast path is more like 5 msec
acf_: that would be nice to have
mercutio: there's a low interleaving settings too, which is aruond 9 msec extra ping
erratic_: Im gonna go buy some food
(not food cupcakes)
gizmoguy: 64 bytes from 114.134.4.74: icmp_req=1 ttl=62 time=4.62 ms
thats my vdsl
acf_: nice
mercutio: yeah so you're on fast path
it's close enough to 5 msec
gizmoguy: yeah i am on the second best vdsl noise profile i think
acf_: looks like VDSL is only available where fios is
m0unds: up_the_irons: happy birthday
acf_: it's like a fttn thing
m0unds: they like to rip out your POTS wiring for FTTN
btw
mercutio: do you have 10 megabit upload?
m0unds: the copper going to your NID will be removed in favor of that GPON thing
except in cases where you have legacy land line for things like alarm dialers
mercutio: m0unds: keep the copper!
m0unds: i wouldn't let verizon touch my house
up_the_irons: m0unds: tnx!
m0unds: they also don't svc my area
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=verizon%20house%20fire
^
acf_: lol
mercutio: oh up_the_irons you're on comcast right?
m0unds: their installers have a history of drilling into elec utility, gas utility, sewage, etc
mercutio: so you get to experience the comcast congestino for yourself :)
i am kind of curious what will happen with NZ domestic transit with all these fibre plans etc coming out, and the biggest isp not peering
up_the_irons: mercutio: twc
mercutio: up_the_irons: oh, so no issues to them?
up_the_irons: not that i can tell
mercutio: usually congestion issues are easily noticable with ssh
doo doo doo, i have this weird hourly spike at 37 past the hour
and it just hit
acf_: up_the_irons: any plans for the Comcast/Verizon/CentryLink issues?
I know you're busy, just wondering what you think it would be best to do next
NTT basically said "screw off"
up_the_irons: can anyone come up with a Cisco route-map that says "if the route is from Verizon, set local pref to XXX"
or, "if route is from ASN 12345, set local pref"
mercutio: i would prepend not set local pref
up_the_irons: that could work too, i think..
-: staticsafe tries to remember CCNP route knowledge
mercutio: yeh prepend works
and local preference is messier
acf_: mercutio: you had some other peer weighting idea earlier?
mercutio: nah just prepepnding? i just think verizon, comcast, at&t should be prepepnded?
i usually prepend routes with cogent anywehere in them too
acf_: well, I'm not qualified, but I'll look into it
mercutio: i've done it in zebra years back
but i been using openbgp recently
it's where you have match ip address ... you have to change it to the source-as
oh i remember my other weighting idea that was simpler now
just change the weight for level3/ntt
so if the as path length is the same it prefers levl3
which means checking that the lengths are the same first
acf_: mercutio: change it to match the source as?
I found this
mercutio: so if localpref, bgp path length, are the same, .. then weight can tip the balance
acf_: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/ip/border-gateway-protocol-bgp/49111-route-map-bestp.html
m0unds: yea
mercutio: so show ip bgp route 69.252.80.75 first
and check length is the same
m0unds: comcast has that public route server if you want to look at fwd from comcast
acf_: would match as-path work?
mercutio: yes
it's regexp frmo memory
acf_: you just put as 701 in the list, and match as-path and prepend if it matched?
mercutio: then set as-path prepend <arp asn>
which is 25795
hmm arp stopped advertising so many routes to me
i used to see the any2ix ones
i imagine that's since the routes shifted off the old router
acf_: ip as-path access-list crappylist permit _701_
route-map crappymap permit
match as-path crappylist
as-path prepend 25795
mercutio: think you need someting more like ^.701$
acf_: ah ok
mercutio: it's not a directly connected peer, does _701_ mean something?
err mean anywehre
acf_: _: Matches a comma, left brace, right brace, the beginning of an input string, the end of an input string, or a space.
afaik, if as 701 is in the path, it will match, right?
mercutio: and does set weight +1 work?
or do you haev to define weights
yeah i think that's the case
acf_: idk about this bgp stuff
mercutio: but normally it's free anywhere
acf_: I'm just making it up
mercutio: acutally it may be that it's only if it immediately ocnnected still
acf_: for as-path ?
mercutio: and it's good practice to always do it based on 701$ or such
f you want only the networks that have passed through AS 4 to enter AS 3 from Router 3, you can apply an inbound filter on Router 3.
ip as-path access-list 1 permit _4_
yeah so i think it does mean anywehre
If you want to deny all the networks that have originated in AS 4 and permit all other routes to enter AS 3 from Router 3, you can apply an inbound filter at Router 3, as follows:
ip as-path access-list 1 deny _4$
ip as-path access-list 1 permit .*
acf_: oh cool
so that works
_701$
mercutio: yeah and _703
actually
maybe just do _701_ and _703_
and get them anywehre
as they are used as transit networks too
acf_: that would probably be best
we want to push everything that goes via Verizon over Level3 anyway
mercutio: # bgpctl show rib transit-as 703 | wc -l
34206
# bgpctl show rib source-as 703 | wc -l
167
# bgpctl show rib transit-as 701 | wc -l
30111
# bgpctl show rib source-as 701 | wc -l
2900
kind of
well verizon is safer than most thinsg
as they're only in the US
but for instance, if verizon was in japan, it'd probably be better over ntt
as NTT is Japanese provider
acf_: but not if they still had crappy peering with NTT
mercutio: primarily
up_the_irons: hence the problem of traffic engineering by ASN alone
mercutio: up_the_irons: which is why i say influence, rather than enforce
and more in favour of prepending, or setting weight, than setting local prefernce
up_the_irons: can you check the as path lengths?
up_the_irons: i believe so
i'm not really a route-map guru, i just know the basics
mercutio: heh
acf_: so bgp neighborhood
defines a group of routes?
like North America only?
mercutio: show ip bgp route <ip> from memory
err show ip route
acf_: *bgp community?
erratic_: the feds took everything, they even took my tr-808 maaaan
mercutio: community is provider dependant, and usually tells you which country a route announces from
or where it's learned from
-: erratic_ offers qfc cookies to channel
acf_: could you weight/prepend based on community?
and asn
to only weight/prepend Verizon routes in North America?
up_the_irons: since i'm not a Verizon customer, i won't necessarily get their communities
acf_: ok, got it
mercutio: acf: just do it on path, but yes you can
but you'd have to look at ntt's communitiys
that ntt say when something is learned from verizon
and the matching as path is less problematic
http://www.us.ntt.net/support/policy/routing.cfm#communities
verizon are only in north america i think
but communities for ntt for US learned routes appears to be 2914:10--
acf_: according to
http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=701
Geographic Scope: Global
mercutio: it may be peering locations
acf_: I'd be less concerned about Comcast and CentutyLink though
mercutio: but do they have customers overseas
oh hangon
duh verizon is alter.net
they're in new zealand even
acf_: yeah, so I think that would be a problem
or maybe it won't be?
mercutio: i bet nz is bad too though via ntt
acf_: yeah
so Level3 is good anyway
for those routes too
mercutio: i think it's 703 used in NZ
well we still need to check as path length
acf_: AS703 is marked as
Geographic Scope: Asia Pacific
fwiw
mercutio: yeah and it's on peering port in nz
although it says 100 megabit haha
acf_: is it really?
mercutio: no idea
acf_: that's kind of suckey
mercutio: i'll see if they're on the route-servers
nah they're not
acf_: darn
mercutio: pings of like 1 msec
so they're probably not even local to it
it's not varying much though
i'm so used to routers that vary pings heaps
acf_: verizon's seem to be okay actually
mercutio: like ping a juniper and it's like 0.5 msec, 1.1 msec
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acf_: this is cool
http://oreilly.com/catalog/bgp/chapter/ch06.html
Example 6-4: Setting the Local Preference depending on AS path
mercutio: yeah that basically tells you how it works
prepending is in there too
match from 60.234.80.173 transit-as 174 set prepend-neighbor 1
that's how you do it in openbgpd
i kind of like that way myself :)
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acf_: up_the_irons: would you consider doing this? ^
ip as-path access-list 4 permit _701_
ip as-path access-list 4 deny .*
mercutio: @up_the_irons ? can anyone come up with a Cisco route-map that says "if the route is from Verizon, set local pref to XXX"
acf_: route-map crappyisp permit 10
set as-path prepend 25795
that's the Cisco syntax afaik
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acf_: it's basically copied from that tutorial above
mercutio: they usually have names
acf_: the access-list s?
mercutio: yeah
acf_: ip as-path access-list crappyasns permit _701_
mercutio: permit 10 is a number normally
s/crappy/congested/
BryceBot: <acf_> ip as-path access-list congestedasns permit _701_
acf_: fair enough
I'm looking at
Example 6-6: Prepending the AS path
mercutio: and usui think you can stick the as-path straight in the route map too
but maybe having it in access list is better
acf_: idk. it didn't look like it in the cisco docs
mercutio: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios/iproute_bgp/command/reference/irg_book/irg_bgp3.pdf
acf_: Autonomous system path access list. An integer from 1 to 199.
mercutio: oh
ok you're right :)
god i hate ciscso :)
acf_: I tend toward the junipers
mercutio: does juniper implement weight?
Weight is a Cisco proprietary thing and cannot be used with a Juniper
device. Maybe you could use preference (not local-preference).
acf_: I don't do bgp with either one
mercutio: ahh
acf_: I would definitely play around with it if I could get my hands on an ASN
mercutio: you don't need an asn, you just need a router
just make up an ASN :)
and get a bgp feed
acf_: really? you can use a private asn?
how about IP announcements?
mercutio: yes, you can't advertise any routes
but you can at least get a list of routes :)
you could advertise routes if the provider stripped off your asn, and you owned that IP block..
there's some private ones
like 65020
The first and last ASNs of the original 16-bit integers, namely 0 and 65535, and the last ASN of the 32-bit numbers, namely 4,294,967,295 are reserved and should not be used by operators. ASNs 64,512 to 65,534 of the original 16-bit AS range, and 4,200,000,000 to 4,294,967,294 of the 32-bit range are reserved for Private Use by RFC 6996, meaning they can be used internally but should not be announced to
the global Internet. All other ASNs are subject to assignment by IANA.2w
acf_: so private ASNs are like RFC1918
mercutio: yeh
i'm using a private asn somwehere
err i was
acf_: will providers (like HE or something) let you do BGP with their IP blocks?
ie, without an ARIN allocation
mercutio: i was using 65461
when i had bird on a private vm
nope
i don't thin so
i mean i don't think you can readvertise it
acf_: darn. so it's basically impossible for individuals to do BGP?
mercutio: with ipv6 it's recommended to not advertise anything less than /32 to the itnernet
peering exchagnes are generally ok with /48s though
acf_: I was reading that
mercutio: yeah most individuals doing bgp have legacy ip blocks
before it got insanely expensive
acf_: NTT says they're okay with /48 though
mercutio: it depends how far it gets
acf_: mainly I guess ARIN just won't issue allocations to individuals
mercutio: also, if someone else is advertising the /32 and you advertise the /48, and it can still go via the normal /32
you shoudl be safe
i think arin will probably
you just need to form some kind of use case
start a vps business ors oemthing :/
staticsafe: you also need $$$$
acf_: I asked them actually :(
http://paste.unixcube.org/k/958025
mercutio: that too
oh so you nede registered business name
just start a company
is it easy there?
acf_: not sure, never done it
mercutio: acf incorporated
acf_: lol if I could
mercutio: anyway, you'd need more than one provider
you can often advertise providers addresses
you just need to get permission first.
acf_: I was thinking doing anycast might be fun
mercutio: on ipv4 or ipv6?
acf_: so I could get providers in multiple locations
doesn't matter too much, just for experimenting with it
whatever is easier
mercutio: i see
hostvirtual will do that on their own ip address space.
but they're some expensive setup fee
acf_: do that == let you announce their addresses?
or give you VMs in different places with anycast
hmm
"(includes LOA so it can be used outside of our network)"
mercutio: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TDuPg7vj
damn i hate captcha's
i got it wrong ilke 4 times
acf_: wow that's expensive
mercutio: exactly
i think 2 is the best way to go
in general
but i think it's prohibitatively expensive
it'd be cool if arp could do that cheap when they get two locations, as i iamgine a few people would ilke to play
acf_: yeah, I was thinking about that actually
mercutio: there's no way you can do less than a /24
acf_: I'm sure it could be done pretty cheap
over all the customers
mercutio: and he's charging $1/ip/month
acf_: you just have to announce one /24 in both locations, right?
mercutio: so it'd be similar to $250/month cost for ip usage
yeah
but i'd want to be able to pull ip
there are various ways to go about that
acf_: what are those?
mercutio: but you'd want to tunnel between locations
acf_: that's definitely what I'd do
mercutio: bgp on virtual machine, a bgp trigger mechanism outside the virtual machien
so that when it's down it gets pulled
a host check that takes it out when it doesn't respond
but for it to continue working, you'd need to be able to reach between the virtual machine facilities
you could also have the same ip on more than one virtual machine in one location
you could do the whole thing with software load balancer and not actually have the /32 on the machines too
i think that in itself it wouldn't really make money if it was at affordable cost.
it's just a cool thing to do.
acf_: yeah, I see what you mean
it would be fun though
mercutio: hmm, i have /24 at arp
if we could get a shared vlan it'd be kind of nifty to have local route-server that accept's private asn's, /30s, etc.. and to be able to advertise a /32 based on acl or such, that can be advertised frmo multiple locations
i mean in theory the backup network works for that atm, but that'd be kind of misuse of resources.
acf_: so, like an internal BGP network?
mercutio: yeah
hazardous: comedy option: pay jump.ro $50 for a /24
mercutio: i mean it's not like much traffic would go over it :)
but it lets you play a little
acf_: so it wouldn't be connected to the public internet, right?
mercutio: yeah
acf_: sounds nifty
mercutio: so the idea would be to encourage up_the_irons to have an opt-in vlan for talking betwen each other
acf_: would that be on a separate NIC?
mercutio: nah
well separate virtual nic
acf_: right
I mean, that is what the backup network is right?
mercutio: yeah
it'd be just like the backup network
acf_: maybe up_the_irons would just rename the 'backup network' to the 'internal inter-customer communication network'
mercutio: i don't think that's a good idea
i think is good to keep it separate
acf_: yeah, I see your point
mercutio: probably only 5 people would use it
acf_: it shouldn't be too difficult though
mercutio: i think the biggest problem with the anycast thing is bandwidth accounting
acf_: is it done using SNMP now?
mercutio: yeh
on the switch port
acf_: you would have to aggregate the data from the switches at both locations I guess
mercutio: which means trafifc has to come through that port
but i was hoping that route-server traffic could be zero-rated :)
acf_: ah
I guess the backup network is?
mercutio: yeh
acf_: any idea how that works for dedicated customers?
(ie, no virtual NICs)
mercutio: so like right now, a limited ip address pool could be used for anycast from multiple servers
rather than locations
but you'd have to route via normal link for accounting to work
and maintain acl's so people don't advertise each other's ip's
acf_: oh I see
so you would advertize a /30 to the bgp router
from multiple boxen
mercutio: well the /30 to route server is a bit different
as that would be just for sharing traffic
you advertise /32s for anycast normally
acf_: /32 ipv4?
mercutio: yaeh for ipv4
you'd probably do a /128 for ipv6
but lots of people are using /64s
you could do either.
acf_: why use a /32 or /128? I didn't think you were supposed to do that
mercutio: because they're floating ip's
acf_: ah
mercutio: you don't reach anything else on the same network
you route to get to them
acf_: makes sense
so you'd have a route server with a /28 routed statically to it from arp
and we would all announce /32s to it
from different boxen?
mercutio: yeah
acf_: that sounds easy enough
mercutio: then when tehre's two locations, you have openvpn tunnel or such between them
so that traffic can come in from one location, and hit a box in the other location
acf_: right
mercutio: but you still send outbound traffic normally
actually this is slightly more complicated.
as i'm pretty sure arp is filtering using random source ip's.
acf_: they are
I did a test a while ago :)
mercutio: so you'd also need a bypass rule per customer to allow sending from that ip out their normal internet link
acf_: or perhaps just whitelist the blocks announced at both locatons?
mercutio: or to use source-routing to send out route server
yeah
i actually haven't heard anything about the second location recently
acf_: I think up_the irons has been really busy with other stuff recently
mercutio: we shouldn't say his name
it probably beeps :)
acf_: does it match without the second _?
mercutio: no idea
oh i see what you didd there
i also have 202.49.64.0/24 advertised from my personal vm
which has bgp too
i did it on my personal vm first
but like 202.49.64.0/24 and 202.49.65.0/24 were basically not being used
oh oops :)
i meant to say it in private haha
but yeah i been doing anycast for a while
hazardous: you have two /24's on a single vps?!
mercutio: one is on vps and one is on dedicated
you nede to use /24 for anycast
mnathani: not to worry mercutio : [FBI] has logged your ip prefixes for consumption by search engines and the like. :-)
mercutio: haha
oh god does that mean i'll get more spam
trying to buy ip adddreses for spamming from
or "rent"
can i cull it somehow
for the coming ip shortage
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up_the_irons: acf_: i would consider it, but i don't know the "Cisco" way of doing it
mercutio: the route-map syntax you mean?
acf figured it out
up_the_irons: i didn't see an all-in-one paste
just some ideas
mercutio: ahh ok
i'll find it
he should really have pastebin'ed it :)
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=B11AEnMd
erk that's missing a bit isn't it
it needs match as-path 4
in the route-map bit