#arpnetworks 2014-06-09,Mon

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anisfarhanaHail hail! [04:43]
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mnathaniI have a bash script trying to ether-wake my machine, but it doesnt work. Contents are:
#!/bin/bash
sbin/ether-wake "00:1e:c9:e1:38:d4 -i eth0"
> /sbin/ether-wake "00:1e:c9:e1:38:d4 -i eth0" even
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dnemnathani: try without the quotes [08:52]
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brycecAgreed mnathani - the "-i eth0" is an option, shouldn't be part of the "Host-ID" argument
mnathani: there's also -D for debug info
And beyond that, confirm that WoL works on the target device, and the target is on the same broadcast domain
[09:26]
mnathanicommand works outside the script [09:27]
brycec(I have no experience with WoL really, just going off http://linux.die.net/man/8/ether-wake)
mnathani: bash -x script
see what exactly it's doing
And I still think the -i needs to be outside the quotes.
it shouldn't work with it in the quotes
But, you know, see -D for what it's actually putting on the wire.
[09:28]
dneit might parse the host-id correctly anyway and ignore the trailing "junk", but then the "-i eth0" is lost [09:36]
brycec(hence my suggestion to see -D) [09:37]
dneyup, well, there's nothing there that requires quoting [09:37]
brycecbrycec nods [09:38]
mnathaniwill try again once I am at the terminal [09:38]
brycecExcuses excuses excuses. Come on, use your telekinesis :P [09:39]
mnathanicurrently at lunch / weechat Android client
lol
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brycecbrain power spent on eating, eh? tsk tsk [09:39]
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anisfarhanabrycec: Never try it before? [10:30]
brycecNever tried... eating? I haven't lived this many years without trying "eating" [10:30]
anisfarhanaNo, brain power spent while eating.
I still remember I'm working on something for about 20 hours without eating, and i cannot solve it in 20 hours. So i just take a rest and have my supper. Right after that, took me less than 5 minutes to solve it.
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RandalSchwartzsuccess... my server is now completely up to date! [13:19]
mnathanisuccess on my part too [13:19]
staticsafeo/ [13:19]
RandalSchwartzupdating emacs broke irc.el, so I had to figure out where last-input-char went [13:19]
mnathanibrycec: removing the "" worked [13:19]
brycecGood [13:19]
RandalSchwartzso now I'm back! [13:20]
brycecwb RandalSchwartz [13:20]
RandalSchwartzand running perl 5.16 instead of 5.10 [13:20]
mnathanibrycec: turns out the machine I was targeting stopped responding to WOL packets, causing me to question the script [13:20]
RandalSchwartzone of the shared libs installed funny, so I had to reinstall that [13:20]
brycecRandalSchwartz: Any particular reason you're on 8.4? Just because it's LTS? [13:20]
staticsafe..you use emacs as your IRC client? [13:21]
brycecbrycec waits for emacs to gain the ability to bathe and clothe [13:21]
RandalSchwartzyes
I'm on 8.4 because it wasn't that far from 8.3
and I wanted to minimize the risk
after I have a breather from this, I'll upgrade to 9 or 10 later in the year
[13:22]
brycecI just jumped from 9. to 10.0 this weekend :) [13:22]
RandalSchwartzwhen I have more hair to pull out :)
is there a pkg command to verify all the shared libs make sense?
[13:23]
brycecIt went perfectly smoothly, except the part where I forgot to "pkg upgrade" before the final freebsd-update.
RandalSchwartz: Like autoremove, to remove unneeded ones?
[13:23]
RandalSchwartzpg wouldn't start because an XML lib was broken
I'm just wondering if anything else is like that that I haven't noticed yet
[13:23]
bryceconce you're 100% pkg, then the pkg ecosystem takes care of that [13:24]
RandalSchwartzI thought I remember some command [13:24]
brycecOr so I'm told. [13:24]
RandalSchwartzno - it didn't :)
I had to parse the error message, use pkg which, then uninstall/reinstall
[13:24]
brycecWeird.
I know of pkg check and pkg shlib, but neither does exactly what you're looking for
Sounds like, to do what you want, a program would need to compile and link against every single library and test for failure.
[13:25]
RandalSchwartzahh.. pkg check -B
I'll try that first
[13:26]
brycecpkg check -B is used to reanalyse shared libraries of installed packages.
Good luck :)
I suspect it just looks for what's installed, versus checking that what's installed works.
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RandalSchwartzpossibly
Oh... and pkg set -o ... for upgrading perl failed
so I just uninstalled perl5
and then pkg install `pkg rquery %o`
since my built ports were precisely what I wanted installed
anyway... no longer at risk of various certs :)
CERT
CVEs... whatever they're called
... red.stonehenge.com:~ +# pkg audit
0 problem(s) in the installed packages found.
yeay!
[13:26]
m0undswell, just disengaged my v6 tunnel again. congestion is dropping traffic coming in over the tun if to 1mbit/sec or less
wee
[13:36]
brycecThanks for the reminder, m0unds
Don't ask what
But you reminded me
of something
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m0undshahahaha [13:44]
brycec(I added ipv6 to my openvpn network a couple weeks ago, but I forgot to add the new address space to a couple of services) [13:45]
acf_m0unds: really? my smokeping doesn't look bad yet [13:47]
RandalSchwartzok - that's weird. I didn't realize I had an audible account... must've signed up back in January on one of my drunken evenings. :)
and I have 4 credits to use... (max is 6, so I'm glad I got it...)
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m0undsacf_: yeah, mine looks fine as well [13:49]
acf_but you're seeing poor tcp performance? [13:49]
m0undsyep [13:49]
acf_49% [==================> ] 51,872,934 6.54MB/s eta 9s
that's what I see
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m0undsyeah, to the vm is fine
the tunnel side of it was problematic (i was using my vps as a tunnel endpoint)
[13:50]
acf_ah, ok
brycec: your smokeping is really cool
how did you do the remote host monitoring thingy?
[13:50]
brycecfwiw m0unds I can confirm that it's not just some flimsy limitation of tun :)
(setup my speedtest on the ivp6 tun/openvpn address, whee)
acf_: which page?
[13:51]
m0undsup til about a week ago, i was able to saturate my line here, so i don't know what's up but it's annoying [13:52]
brycecacf_: or just the remote monitoring in general? [13:52]
acf_yeah [13:52]
m0undsso i cut out the annoying thing til it's not a problem anymore [13:52]
acf_yeah m0unds, maybe you're seeing something else besides the Comcast congestion [13:52]
m0undsspending a half hour downloading a 2.8GB patch, only to have it progress 30% is silly [13:53]
acf_I've never had good luck with openvpn/tun for performance [13:53]
m0undswell, this is a gif/ipip tunnel [13:53]
brycecacf_: http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/doc/smokeping_master_slave.en.html [13:53]
m0undsso low overhead anyway [13:53]
brycecm0unds: a gif tunnel you named tun? weirdo [13:53]
acf_oh cool. I started using gretap a while ago [13:53]
m0undsi shorthanded tunnel
with tun
[13:53]
brycecOhh [13:54]
m0undsit was actually named ip-0-0-0.0
since, junos
[13:54]
brycecLook at all this silly confusion you caused with that needless abbreviation :p [13:54]
m0undswell, ip-0-0-0, unit 0 vlan 0, so ip-0-0-0.0
haha
[13:54]
brycecOnly because tun(4) is a thing [13:55]
m0undsyep, i know that too
til xbox one will receive content from msft via ipv6 if available
haha
[13:55]
brycecOh that's good [13:55]
m0undsi guess it makes sense - my wife was streaming netflix and it was hitting the tunnel too [13:57]
brycecShould the xbox go directly to netflix for that?
Hm doesn't look like mine has a v6 address currently... but I can't be sure it's even on right now.
[13:57]
acf_netflix has v6 [13:58]
brycecm0unds: One or 360 (or original?) [13:58]
m0undsone
haven't tried 360
guess i could rollback my cfg change to try it, haha
just wanted to drive on nurbergring in forza, damn it
haha
err, nurburgring
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m0undshuh, well, i noticed that the ip i was tunnelling to changed its route from the direct abq -> lax to abq -> denver -> sjc -> lax, so i'm trying again with the one remaining address that routes directly [14:18]
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up_the_ironsbrycec: jpalmer : we send a notification any time your card declines
man scrollback is huge
acf_: send me an update mtr when you notice bad NTT -> Verizon stuff and I'll email NTT
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brycecWell yeah up_the_irons, you've been absent for 3 days...
(absent==silent)
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up_the_ironsbut even then, sometimes 3 days doesn't accrue too much. i'm usually not watching IRC over the weekend.
i think it's starbucks time, bbl
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brycectruedat
brycec wishes there were a *$ closer than 6mi
[14:44]
RandalSchwartz*$ needs delivery drones :) [14:50]
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m0undshahaha
m0unds imagines having coffee spilled on him by a drone
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RandalSchwartzñ
oops
I was just testing utf-8 still working
wait... I need a white smiley face

oops..
yeah, that works
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brycec@weather SFO [16:19]
BryceBotSan Francisco International, CA: Partly Cloudy ☁ 74°F (23°C), Humidity: 53%, Wind: From the WNW at 23 MPH Gusting to 30 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=37.61960983,-122.36557770 or re-request this with: @weather -v SFO [16:19]
brycecMore unicode [16:19]
RandalSchwartzA little cloud!
@weather LHR
[16:22]
BryceBotHeathrow, United Kingdom: Clear 63°F (17°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: From the West at 6 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=51.47750092,-0.46138901 or re-request this with: @weather -v LHR [16:22]
RandalSchwartzdarn it no clear unicode
@weather SYD
[16:22]
BryceBotKingsford Smith International, New South Wales: Light Rain ☂ Showers 57°F (14°C), Humidity: 94%, Wind: From the South at 9 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-33.94649887,151.17309570 or re-request this with: @weather -v SYD [16:22]
RandalSchwartzthere we go! Rain! [16:22]
mercutiohttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/netflix-refuses-to-comply-with-verizons-cease-and-desist-demands/
hmm
[16:27]
BryceBotArs Technica: "Netflix refuses to comply with Verizon’s “cease and desist” demands" [16:27]
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mnathani@weather dxb [16:57]
BryceBotDubai International, UAE: Clear 88°F (31°C), Humidity: 66%, Wind: From the South at 7 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=25.25389481,55.36560059 or re-request this with: @weather -v dxb [16:57]
mnathani@weather pdx [16:57]
BryceBotPortland International, OR: Scattered Clouds 73°F (22°C), Humidity: 48%, Wind: From the NNE at 5.0 MPH Gusting to 17.0 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=45.568871,-122.637115 or re-request this with: @weather -v pdx [16:57]
mnathani@weather yyz [16:57]
BryceBotToronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 72°F (22°C), Humidity: 57%, Wind: From the SSE at 8 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [16:57]
mnathani@weather khi [16:57]
BryceBotJinnah International, Pakistan: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 86°F (30°C), Humidity: 74%, Wind: From the SSW at 13 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=24.89999962,67.13333130 or re-request this with: @weather -v khi [16:57]
RandalSchwartz@weather anc [17:01]
BryceBotStevens Anchorage International, AK: Overcast ☁ 59°F (15°C), Humidity: 58%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=61.194088,-149.932892 or re-request this with: @weather -v anc [17:01]
RandalSchwartzdarn it... no snow there
@weather USH
[17:01]
BryceBotUshuaia International Malvine Island, Argentina: Partly Cloudy ☁ 39°F (4°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-54.84405136,-68.30818176 or re-request this with: @weather -v USH [17:02]
RandalSchwartz@weather PMC [17:03]
BryceBotEl Tepual International, Chile: Overcast ☁ 52°F (11°C), Humidity: 88%, Wind: From the North at 20 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-41.43472290,-73.09750366 or re-request this with: @weather -v PMC [17:03]
RandalSchwartzdarn it
damn global warming
@weather PSY
[17:03]
BryceBotError, No cities match your search query [17:05]
RandalSchwartz@weather MPN [17:05]
BryceBotMount Pleasant, Falkland Islands: Clear 34°F (1°C), Humidity: 93%, Wind: From the NNE at 9 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-51.81998062,-58.44839859 or re-request this with: @weather -v MPN [17:05]
mercutiospam [17:12]
RandalSchwartzNot sure if you can get spam there. [17:13]
mercutiothe weather thing [17:13]
brycecRandalSchwartz: you can always just PM BryceBot [17:14]
RandalSchwartzI was looking for utf8 chars [17:14]
brycec'Sunny ☀',
'Cloudy ☁',
'Snow ❄'
'Rain ☂'
'Clear ☄'
'Thunderstorm ☈'
'Overcast ☁',
That's all you'll get out of BryceBot
At least for @weather
You can always feed Wikipedia through it
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%E5%92%8CC%2B%2B%E9%81%8B%E7%AE%97%E5%AD%90
[17:14]
BryceBotC和C++運算子 :: 這裡是C和C++語言的運算子列表。所有列出的運算子皆含納於C++;第三個欄目裡的內容也使用C來描述。應當注意的是C不支援运算符重载。 下列運算子在兩個語言中都是順序點(運算子未重載時): &&、||、?: 和 ,(逗號運算子)。 C++也包含類型轉換運算子const_cast、static_cast、dynamic_cast和reinterpret_cast,不在表中列出以維持簡 [17:15]
brycecwell that failed miserably
weird, BryceBot is totally utf8 friendly
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B2_C_%D0%B8_C%2B%2B
[17:15]
BryceBotОператоры в C и C++ :: Языки программирования Си и Си++ поддерживают сходный набор операторов. Некоторые из операторов недоступны в языке Си. Кроме того Си не поддерживает перегрузку операторов. Операторы &&, || и , (оператор comma), при условии что не пере [17:15]
RandalSchwartztranslated "Must Get Moose and Squirrel"
failed?
looked chinese to me
was it the wrong chars?
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mnathaniwhat wireless router do folks recommend if I plan on running DD-WRT / Tomato? [17:34]
mercutioi use tp-links
cos they cheap
i'm using 4300
http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4300
[17:35]
mnathaniThis item is currently out of stock and it may or may not be restocked.
hmm
newegg.ca ^
mercutio: how well does it run openwrt ?
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mercutiofine
i don't do anything fancy
i'm using gargoyle
but same diff
oh it's out of stock?
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mnathanido you run different vlans at all? [17:41]
mercutiohttp://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-WDR4300-Wireless-Gigabit-300Mbps/dp/B0088CJT4U
nope
[17:41]
BryceBotAmazon: "TP-LINK TL-WDR4300 Wireless N750 Dual Band Router, Gigabit, 2.4GHz 300Mbps+5Ghz 450Mbps, 2 USB port, Wireless On/Off Switch" [17:41]
mercutioi'm not actually using it atm
well not directly
housemate is using it
as wireless client, bridging to ethernet
it's doing about 50 megabit, a usb stick was doing about 6 megabit
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mnathanioh wow, thats quite a difference [17:42]
mercutioyeah but it's 3 antenna
and the wirelss was just one of those mini usb wireless thingys
and he has pci
rather than pci-e
well for free slots
[17:43]
mnathaninot bad for $68 bucks and free shipping [17:43]
mercutioi'm also using a wireless ac card
err i was
on media box
but it seems to go funny when cmoputer goes into standby mode
it got way colder, and haven't been watching tv shows in that room :)
but this house is kind of terrible for wireless
and i think it's the house
rather than interferene
that said, it's more stable on 5.8 ghz
i also used to use it as a wireless ap
and tbh, at 2.4 ghz it's not really any better than tp-link 1043nd
i bet they're cheap now
[17:43]
mnathaniI was looking at TL-WDR3600 also [17:46]
mercutioyeh that's perttu much the same
except 300 megabit at 5 ghz
it depends if you're using double stream / tripple stream devices
that router, and my normal access point are the only tripple stream devices i have
i'm using a wireless ac access point
unifi uap-ac
and it crashes :/
[17:47]
mnathaniTo be honest, I pretty much only need the NAT / Gigabit switching. I have a Cisco Aeronet APP [17:48]
mercutiooh
i do my nat on pc tbh
[17:48]
mnathaniand I never tried openwrt etc [17:49]
mercutioi don't really like openwrt
but normal routers firmware sucks
gargoyle makes it easier to configure
i mean it's cool having linux and all
but it uses this god awful text editor
err the busybox one
and you can't update packages nicely without updating firmware
or you start running out of space
i'd much rather they just had a normal filesystem and compact flash / sdcard or such
and use openbsd :)
is it high bandwidth nat etc?
cos you could also go for something like cubietruck
low power arm computer dual core, 2gb ram, 8gb flash
gigabit ethernet, sdcard support, sata support
~$100 usd
[17:49]
mnathaninot so much high bandwidth but higher concurrent connections
bittorrent, usenet, vpn etc
[17:53]
mercutiowell once modems jumped from 8mb of ram to 32mb of ram they also were fine for that pretty much
with 16mb it was a bit hit and miss
but most of the ones that used to crash/lockup had 8mb of ram
and like that tp-link has 128mb of ram
[17:54]
mnathaniCable modem maxes out at about 38 mbits/sec [17:54]
mercutioyeah that not really high bandwidth
it is nice having ssh and tcpdump
oh i don't have tcpdump installed
i have iperf installed :)
i'd rather go for arm board myself
just because it means you aren't cramped for space/size etc
can run what you like
but if you don't want to tweak lots
gargoyle isn't too bad
http://www.gargoyle-router.com/wiki/doku.php?id=screenshots
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mnathaniRAM Size = 32MB [17:58]
mercutiowhat [17:58]
mnathanion my Linksys: Wireless-N Gigabit RouterWRT310Nv2 [17:58]
mercutioahh
32mb should be ok
i used openwrt on tp-link 1043nd with 32mb of ram for ages
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mnathaniit drops the occasional packet here and there [17:59]
mercutiothat's not usally ram related
does openwrt support it?
i can't find it yet :)
[17:59]
mnathanihttp://tomatousb.org/forum/t-284894
some instructions on tomato
but I am not confident
[18:00]
mercutiotomato hardly runs on anything btw
i think it's broadcom noly rather than atheros or something
you might find it works better with tomato than default firmware
[18:01]
mnathaniI would much rather get a secondary device than attempt something on the only internet gateway of the household [18:02]
mercutioahh right
i actually got a $20 router which i want to try openwrt on
haven't tried it yet, but it's meant to have support
and 64mb of ram i think
only 100 megabit ports
but i kind of like this wireless bridging thing now
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m0undsi got a few refurb linksys e3000s for use as APs a couple years ago
they were like $35/ea on amazon and i run tomato on them
if you want something powerful to use for routing and something else for APs, check out mikrotik routerboard devices
some of the features are squirrelly, but they're generally significantly better than anything you'd get and slap openwrt or ddwrt on
if you only require 2.4GHz, http://routerboard.com/RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN
[18:34]
mercutio???
damnit, cant' use unicode
m0unds: that's more expensive than the arm boards?
they're also slower cpu than the tp-link 4300s
routerboard 1100ahx2 is ok
but thinks like 2011 are basically similar to the modems/routers
i have been wodnering if can stick linux on cloud core router though
[18:45]
m0undsahx2 is junk
it's good at ipsec, but has thermal issues and horribly buggy firmware
also, some of the ports aren't on the switch chip, which adds 200+ms to first hop latency (not kidding)
[18:49]
mercutiorb2011 is liek that too
rb2011 you ahve to ignore half the ports
cloud core router doesn't even have a switch
it switches on the cpu
they're all kind of bad, but cheap
but powerpc vs mips is quite a jump in cpu
[18:49]
mnathaniMikrotik RB750GL Mini-Router 5 Gigabit Ethernet Ports can that device do an ipv6 tunnel to hurricane electric? [18:52]
mercutioand you have to go through the core anyway if using things like nat [18:52]
jbergstroemmy rb1200 is suffering from the latency hit as well. not as bad as 200msec but jumping from the atheros chip to cpu bound is just.. shit [18:52]
mercutiojber: did you disable connectino tracking?
routeros doesn't really scale
the new switch chips around actually support doing hardware nat
[18:53]
jbergstroemmercutio: yep. i mean, we're talking a few msecs here but it still non-zero which is annoying with gbit. [18:53]
mercutioincluding the one in rb2011 i think
which i think is the same as what's in the tp-link
jber: ccr is pretty good for latency
a few msec is terrible
do you mean like 0.3 msec?
or like 3 msec?
[18:53]
jbergstroemmercutio: jitters in between those ranges depending on load. [18:55]
mercutioand is that only when trying to push gigabit through it ?
and it's using hardware queues on the ethernet ports?
[18:55]
jbergstroemmercutio: not really, you get that penalty on <10% load as well. when i picked it up and started testing i thought i had faulty hardware all over the place until i realised i was hitting cpu outside of the switch plugs
mercutio: yeah. the first five are on an atheros 8316
[18:56]
m0undsjbergstroem: yeah, same here - i used an rb1100ahx2 for about 2 months and gave up on it. i thought it was faulty out of the box, but nope [18:58]
mercutioheh [18:58]
m0undsthe rb450g was pretty good, but the first run had production issues [18:58]
jbergstroemhaven't really done any more testing since. i just use the first five [18:58]
m0undslatter ones had that fixed [18:58]
mercutiojber: good solution :)
i'm onyl using abuot 5 ports i think on switch
which i think is 24 port heh
it can be easy to stay low in port count with all the wirelss etc these days
[18:58]
jbergstroemI have a few rb751g-2hnd as well. not very happy about them tbh. switch is all fine, but i've been fighting with its wifi for a good while. all kinds of issues
RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN is a good bet. that's been my best experience to date.
[18:59]
staticsaferb751g-2hnd is the one i have
wifi issues as well
[19:00]
jbergstroem:-/ [19:01]
mercutiowhat has that got over the tp-link 3600 though? [19:02]
jbergstroemif i got paid to admin these things (haha) i'd probably pick some other brand and go to openwrt. routeros is still a pretty good "setup once, just works" destination [19:02]
mercutioit's the same cpu
rb2011 has more ports, but all the tp-link ones are on the switch
jber: until you ened to do a firmware upgrade
i'd love to see an open source solution better than openwrt myself
[19:02]
m0undsyep, openwrt and dd-wrt are super flakey
i wouldn't trust dd-wrt on anything
[19:04]
mercutiowith 0 downtime security updates etc [19:04]
gizmoguyI run lots of openwrt nodes [19:05]
m0undsi found code in a whole run of builds that was intended for one of their commercial customers
(dd-wrt)
[19:05]
mercutiothat's why i was advocating cubietruck :) [19:05]
m0undsand it included hardcoded firewall rules and stuff
when i brought it up, i got banned from posting on their forums
[19:05]
gizmoguylol [19:05]
jbergstroemgizmoguy: do you bake your own stuff from openwrt trunk? [19:05]
gizmoguyjbergstroem: I did for a time, but that got annoying [19:05]
jbergstroemm0unds: yeah, openwrt is kinda the way to go [19:05]
gizmoguyI just run the latest trunk builds from openwrt [19:05]
mercutiois that for network testing gizmo? [19:06]
jbergstroemgizmoguy: how do you handle upgrades (packages, configs, changes et al)? [19:06]
gizmoguyHah no. My house :) [19:06]
mercutiooh [19:06]
gizmoguyjbergstroem: I only use it for personal stuff
even then, I'm considering jumping ship to a proper CPE
[19:06]
mercutiowhy do you have lots of routers at home? [19:06]
gizmoguylike the ubiquiti Edge Router Lite
I have 1 router at home
[19:06]
m0undsERL++ [19:07]
mercutiooh [19:07]
gizmoguybut I also maintain a few networks for other people [19:07]
m0undsthose things are so fun [19:07]
mercutiogizmoguy ? I run lots of openwrt nodes [19:07]
gizmoguyyeah ERL 99$ USD
can't go wrong really
[19:07]
mercutiowhat cpu is in those?
oh
[19:07]
gizmoguymercutio: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3 [19:08]
m0undshttp://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_Lite_DS.pdf [19:08]
mercutiothat's the one that was going to be relased sometime for years right? [19:08]
gizmoguyMIPS64
mercutio: yeah
[19:08]
mercutioit sounded good [19:08]
gizmoguyruns a port of vyatta [19:08]
mercutiocan you run linux on it? [19:08]
gizmoguyyes [19:08]
mercutiocan you run openbsd on it? [19:08]
gizmoguyread the gentoo link
depends, does openbsd run on mips64?
[19:08]
mercutioit runs on some mips i'm pretty sure [19:09]
m0undsit runs debian + vyatta by default iirc [19:09]
mercutioit runs on octeon [19:09]
gizmoguymercutio: http://www.openbsd.org/octeon.html [19:09]
mercutiowhaich says cavium
and that says cavium
so yes :)
[19:09]
gizmoguyLook [19:09]
mercutioit probably mostly works [19:09]
gizmoguySupported hardware:
Ubiquiti Networks EdgeRouter LITE
[19:09]
mercutiomaye missing drivers
is that the same as v3?
oh it's not v3
it's just a weird url
Currently it is possible to install OpenBSD/octeon on the Portwell CAM-0100 machines, as they have a working storage driver. The DSR-500 and EdgeRouter LITE may also be used by booting over NFS.
[19:09]
gizmoguyafaik, I might be wrong here. I think there has only been one hardware revision so far [19:10]
mercutiodamnit [19:10]
gizmoguybooting over nfs. lol
its funny
cause all you need to do is support USB
[19:10]
mercutioyeh but it's probably not that complicated.
what is it usb for hdd?
[19:10]
gizmoguyapparently their rootfs is stored on a removable pen drive inside the ERL
which seems cool to me
[19:11]
mercutioheh [19:11]
gizmoguytake the original FW pen drive out
plug your own in
if you ever want to revert it, just swap pen drives
[19:11]
mercutiohttp://www.bsdguides.org/2014/freebsd-10-edgerouter-lite/
can you buy them in nz?
$160+gst
ouch
[19:11]
gizmoguyYup, buy them from gowifi
yeah
really expensive
[19:12]
mercutiohttp://www.amazon.com/EdgeRouter-ERLite-3-512MB-Ethernet-Router/dp/B00CPRVF5K [19:12]
BryceBotAmazon: "EdgeRouter Lite ERLite-3 512MB 3 Ethernet Ports Router" [19:12]
gizmoguybuy it from amazon and use a US mail forwarding service [19:12]
mercutioyou shouldn't need mail forwrading [19:12]
gizmoguyOnly 2 left in stock.
Race ya mercutio
[19:12]
mercutioi'm not going to buy it right now :) [19:13]
gizmoguyI'll buy both and sell you one for $159 [19:13]
mercutiojust proceeding to checkout
to check shipping cost
We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order.
goddamnit
[19:13]
gizmoguyyeah thought so [19:13]
mnathanione million packet per second? does that still hold true for NAT? [19:13]
mercutioit'll be hardware nat
but they have some kind of network acceleration buffer thing with fsat sram too i think
[19:13]
mnathanionly 3 ethernet ports though [19:14]
mercutiojust use a switch :/ [19:14]
gizmoguyhow many do you want in a router? [19:14]
mercutiothey have autosending power supply [19:14]
gizmoguyI'll sell you an 8 port SRX ? [19:14]
mnathanican this one do dual wan? [19:15]
mercutioi remember reading about thse things ages ago
they did sound cool
[19:15]
gizmoguyaccording to some block posts apparently version 1.2 of the ERL firmware does policy based routing mnathani [19:16]
mercutiomy i7 makes a fine router though [19:16]
gizmoguymnathani: https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Configuration-Examples/EdgeMAX-Automatic-WAN-failover-with-PBR-load-balancing/ta-p/511289
um wait no, this one
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Configuration-Examples/EdgeMAX-Dual-WAN-load-balance-feature-v1-4-0/ta-p/699501
[19:17]
mnathanigizmoguy: thanks [19:19]
m0undsi loves my srx [19:20]
gizmoguym0unds: played with the virtual srx stuff? (firefly)
I just setup my first vsrx last night
it's like an official version of olive :)
[19:20]
m0undsnope, not yet [19:21]
gizmoguym0unds: http://www.juniper.net/support/downloads/?p=junosvfirefly-eval#sw [19:21]
m0undsoh, didn't realize they had an eval
neat
[19:22]
gizmoguyyeah "eval"...
it's soft licenced
it runs forever
[19:22]
m0undsoh.
well shit. i know what i'll be doing this week at work
haha
[19:22]
gizmoguy:D
it's super cool
the only limit, is you can only have 10 interfaces
[19:22]
m0undsoh darn, only 10
hahaha
[19:23]
gizmoguybut, you can get around that by using vlans
so
m0unds: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/firefly12.1x46-d10/topics/reference/general/security-virtual-perimeter-feature-support-kvm.html
here's everything it supports
[19:23]
m0undsoh no, they don't support tftp algs?!?!? [19:23]
gizmoguyBGP Yes
IS-IS Yes
[19:24]
m0undshah [19:24]
gizmoguyOSPF yes
mpls yes
[19:24]
m0undsif cisco did this, you'd have to pay $2500 for the eval to get bgp, ospf and mpls support [19:24]
gizmoguyso uh.. yeah free juniper ;)
and it's even a recent version
[19:24]
m0undsyeah, i think htat's the same build on my srx210he [19:25]
dj_gokuso the downtime is tonight right?
oh wait this isn't for everyone. :D
[19:25]
m0unds--- JUNOS 12.1X46-D10.2 built 2013-12-18 02:03:20 UTC [19:25]
gizmoguyI vote we take down ever node, give them a break
every*
[19:25]
dj_gokuhmmm [19:25]
gizmoguyModel: firefly-perimeter
JUNOS Software Release [12.1X46-D10.2]
[19:26]
dj_gokuguess I'll just shut it down. I presume all will be brought back up? :D [19:26]
m0undsthis release fixed flow-based routing w/ipv6 [19:26]
gizmoguydj_goku: usually
m0unds: root@Amnesiac> show system license
License usage: none
Licenses installed: none
[19:26]
m0undshaha [19:27]
gizmoguyand everything works
I love it
[19:27]
m0undstoo cool
i'm definitely gonna check it out
[19:27]
dj_gokudj_goku waves to d^_^b [19:28]
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m0undsjuniper screwed up my acct and gave me entitlements to download software images for any juniper product except pulse vpn devices [19:28]
gizmoguythere's meant to be restrictions on what you can download? [19:29]
m0undsyeah, they're supposed to be tied to j-care [19:29]
gizmoguyhm [19:29]
m0undsor support contracts for products [19:29]
gizmoguyI seem to be able to download most things
and I don't have a support contract
[19:29]
m0undsfunny, maybe they changed it? [19:29]
gizmoguyI even managed to convince them to give me domestic versions [19:29]
m0undsmy buddy works for an isp up in portland and he can only get downloads for products they have deployed w/active support contracts
nice
[19:29]
gizmoguytechnically my account is tied to equipment on the jacademic alliance stuff [19:30]
dj_gokugizmoguy: alright. I might have forgot my root login. lol [19:30]
gizmoguyhm ok, I thought everyone always got access to anything ;)
dj_goku: password
[19:30]
m0undsi had issues registering my srx, so they gave me complimentary j-care for 6 months [19:30]
gizmoguypassword1
password2
[19:30]
dj_gokulol [19:30]
gizmoguym0unds: nice
someone should force me to start working again
[19:30]
m0undsgizmoguy: go work or you can never have scotch again [19:31]
gizmoguyOh no! :( [19:31]
dj_gokudj_goku I'll just let it forcefully shutdown then. [19:31]
gizmoguyI'm about 200 levels deep into an openstack cluster that doesn't work
dj_goku: if you have ACPI you'll be all good
KVM sends ACPI shutdown to all VMs before it stops
[19:31]
dj_gokuahh alright. I need to upgrade openbsd anyways soon. [19:32]
.... (idle for 18mn)
m0undspacket loss doesn't seem as terrible tonight
latency is still wonky on that inbound nlayer link though, twice as high as off-peak
[19:50]
mercutioit's hard to know if it's inbuond or asymmetric issues
i think up_the_irons wwnated mtr's to sent to ntt
[19:51]
m0undsthe ntt thing is way upstream [19:52]
mercutioand asymmetric makes it more annoying
yeh i know it upstream
maybe running mtr --report hourly is a good idea
[19:52]
m0undsokay, so the outbound (NTT) is normal, no loss, no latency spikes, nothing
i've had it running for an hour
[19:53]
mercutioi have us.battle.net as an at&t address, www.comcast.net as comcast address
but verizon is on akamai
to wehre?
[19:53]
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m0undshttp://pastebin.com/S9EaF9Qx
the hop on the bottom w/the <-- on it is the comcast ip that has been contributing to 10-20% packet loss the last 6 nights
it's been completely fine. i restarted mtr on accident (meant to close another terminal and closed that one)
[19:56]
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acf_m0unds: super strange
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.verizonnet
set up my smokeping to probe from Amazon EC2 as well
[19:58]
m0unds`could just be that the comcast one isn't bad tonight [19:59]
acf_http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.comcastnet
no it's bad
[19:59]
CaZeDid you give Comcast extra money? [20:00]
acf_yes and they still haven't fixed it >:( [20:00]
m0undswhat address are you probing? [20:00]
acf_comcast.net [20:00]
m0undsjust comcast.net? [20:00]
mercutioneed a good verizon address to trace [20:00]
acf_http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Local.comcasthome
this is my Comcast cable connection
[20:00]
mercutiowww.comcast.net is on akamai [20:00]
acf_but comcast.net isn't [20:00]
m0undscomcast.net isn't though [20:00]
mercutiooh right
oh and verizon.net isn't either
[20:01]
m0undsi saw some spikes to 60ms, but almost no packet loss [20:01]
mercutioit is monday night in teh US? [20:01]
m0undsyep, but i was seeing worse tue-sun [20:02]
mercutioi dunno if things are different there, but monday night's tend to have less internet traffic here
less traffic on streeets too
but that's just a generla rule, there's also more internet traffic in poor weather
but generally i'd say wed through saturday are higher for residential
and evening congestino suggests residential
i wonder if netflix is going over ntt or something now
[20:02]
m0undsthey use ntt in their blend [20:04]
RandalSchwartzit's redirecting over EDGE :) [20:04]
mercutioverizon.net is still bad
although it looks like link aggregation bad
two hops are worse in the middle then one earlier and oen alter, ...
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[20:15]
mercutioyeah right now verizon is bad, comcast is fine, and at&t is slightly bad
but i'd just tested comcast before adn there was loss
[20:17]
m0undsyea, squirrelly shit
haa
haha
[20:17]
brycecFor those wondering, OpenBSD/octeon doesn't have USB support yet due to licensing (as usual). So until someone r-e's USB support and writes a completely free driver for it, ERL is limited to netbooting. [20:28]
mercutiolame
well someone could read the linux driver
and document it
and someone else wriet openbsd driver
[20:28]
brycecIIRC the Linux+FreeBSD drivers use a Cavium SDK [20:29]
mercutiowhich is closed source? [20:29]
brycecWhich is licensed
I'm not the most reliable source on these things... Just stuff that bcallah@ (builder of snaps, among other OBSD things) has said
[20:29]
mercutiokind of annoying
https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/mips/Octeon'
that sems to have some info
ndas suck
broadcom have a whole lot of binary drivers in linux
on most routers
[20:30]
m0undsbranch series SRXes are powered by an octeon plus cpu @ 600mhz [20:33]
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m0undshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543312/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 this is pretty good so far [20:39]
BryceBotError fetching information for http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543312/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1: Not Found [20:39]
m0undshaha, latency came back up again [20:51]
acf_I wonder if for some reason a ton more traffic just started going over that link
and NTT/Comcast just haven't been able to upgrade it yet
[21:05]
m0undsor aren't planning on it, haha
just hit 2100 west coast
had a good blip of solid low latency though
[21:06]
acf_yeah, I see that
it looks like it's a lot less saturated than the Verizon one
that reminds me of T-Mobile
I get like 30Kb/s here
on 3.5G
and dropped calls
so I called them and asked them what was up
[21:07]
milkiand then the call was dropped [21:08]
m0undshahaha [21:08]
acf_lol not quite
they told me that their networks sucks and they have no plans to fix it within the next 6 months
[21:08]
milkiwow thats frank [21:09]
m0undshahaha [21:09]
acf_any of you on T-Mobile? [21:09]
m0undsi was for 2 months
it was awful
haha
i was on it in the early 00s when tmo acquired voicestream in the us
[21:10]
acf_yeah, probably I'm going the AT&T route soon
it's like the same price
[21:10]
m0undsthat was okay til they changed my plan without telling me and i racked up a $300 phone bill one month
yeah, i'm on at&t in abq
they've been solid - i've heard san fransisco is a rough market for them
dunno if you're ever that far north
[21:10]
acf_I'd rather have reliable service here and spotty service other places than the other way around [21:11]
m0undsgotcha
they expanded their rural coverage in NM pretty heavily
i drove up to denver via us-285, which is really sparsely populated, and i had hspa+ the whole way
[21:11]
acf_they're upgrading to LTE here
in the suburbs
I live right next to the cell site they're upgrading atm
and the took off the cage for the upgrade
acf_ looks for pictures
[21:13]
m0undsthe wind carried a radio rig right off the top of a vzw tower out here a few years ago
it was funny
fell down in the parking lot
one of those enclosed/shielded ones
[21:16]
mercutioit's pretty windy here right now
@weather auckland
[21:16]
BryceBotAuckland, New Zealand: Light Rain ☂ 55°F (13°C), Humidity: 99%, Wind: From the NE at 6.0 MPH Gusting to 15.2 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-36.973896,174.878021 or re-request this with: @weather -v auckland [21:16]
mercutiowhat
it's more than that
@weather "north shore, auckland"
[21:16]
BryceBotMultiple locations matched your query: North, SC (zmw:29112.1.99999), North, VA (zmw:23128.1.99999), [21:17]
mercutiouhh [21:17]
m0undslol
nice
[21:17]
mercutiooh you can use gps coordinates [21:17]
m0undsi think some of the PWS' have bad anemometers or whatever [21:17]
mercutioyeh but it's also not close enoguh to me :/ [21:17]
m0undsbecause remember i said it was windy as hell here and the data showed 4mph or whatever
lame
[21:17]
mercutiohaha
yeah
[21:18]
acf_http://unixcube.org/who/acf/tmp/14050162.jpg [21:18]
mercutioit says east 43km/h gust 61km/h [21:19]
m0unds48v ftw [21:19]
mercutioon the weather forecast
i think its' udpated every 10 minutes or something, but wind is a strange thing
you can get lots of tunnels etc where it's higher
hmm it's getting windier tonight
and wetter
13mm/hour later it seems
i watn a weather meter heh
[21:19]
m0undslatency stabilized again [21:21]
mercutioi'll run my script again
i didn't cron it heh
[21:21]
acf_mercutio: script? [21:22]
mercutiomtr --report --report-cycles=100 verizon.net
mtr --report --report-cycles=100 comcast.net
mtr --report --report-cycles=100 us.battle.net
just something basic :/
[21:23]
acf_oh cool [21:23]
mercutioit kind of needs to echo what it's tracing to [21:24]
acf_up_the_irons: here you are:
http://paste.unixcube.org/k/d249f2
[21:24]
m0undshttp://i.imgur.com/j4Y56wZ.png [21:24]
acf_Verizon mtr
http://pastebin.com/S9EaF9Qx
Comcast mtr (from m0unds)
[21:24]
mercutioyours is like mine [21:24]
acf_http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.comcastnet [21:24]
mercutiosee how hoes 9 and 6 are worse [21:24]
acf_comcast Smokeping
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.verizon-lsanca
[21:24]
mercutio9.|-- 206.46.228.129 7.0% 100 62.8 63.1 62.5 65.1 0.2 [21:24]
acf_Verizon smokeping [21:24]
mercutio10.|-- 206.46.232.39 11.0% 100 63.7 64.2 62.8 68.6 1.1
for some reason last hop gives me more now
comcast.net is fine again
[21:24]
acf_still some latency on that affected hop [21:26]
m0undsyea, it's not too bad though
not adding 60ms like usual, haha
err, 30
[21:26]
mercutiothe comcast was never as bad [21:26]
acf_so, say the Verizon thingy degraded to like 50% packet loss eventually
the link would be effectively out completely
[21:27]
mercutiohttp://pastebin.com/LykYgs6S
does aznyone use at&t
[21:27]
m0undsas an isp? [21:28]
acf_I've never had them
this is kind of neat though:
http://ipnetwork.bgtmo.ip.att.net/
[21:28]
mercutioi just test it cos i used to have issues with battle.net [21:29]
m0undsah [21:29]
mercutioand it tends to have problems :/
it's used ntt for ages
and used to be fine
but cogent to at&t used to be bad
[21:29]
acf_that's strange [21:29]
m0undshuh, neat
i like data
[21:29]
acf_in the mtr it looks like 28ms of latency is coming from within ntt [21:30]
mercutioit needs java [21:30]
acf_4. ae-3.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt. 0.0% 52 0.8 0.8 0.7 2.1 0.1
5. ae-0.att.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt. 1.9% 52 26.1 29.9 24.5 34.0 2.2
[21:30]
m0undstoo bad it needs java for some of the functionality [21:30]
mercutioumm yeh that is strange
considering it's los angeels the whole way it seems
[21:30]
m0undswhat paste app is that you're using? homebrew? [21:31]
acf_yeah
written in golang
[21:31]
m0undscool [21:31]
acf_question: can anyone with an IPv6 tunnel reach http://ipnetwork.bgtmo.ip.att.net/ ?
it seems to have broken path mtu discovery for me
[21:33]
m0undsyea, i was able to, but i don't know whether it used ipv6 [21:33]
acf_hmm ok. it just times out for me now
because the tcp connection is established, but the packets get too big and are all dropped
[21:34]
m0undsfwiw, it was super slow [21:34]
RandalSchwartzlast hop 2001:1890:c00:6c02::11b5:9dbe [21:34]
staticsafei reached that over v6
HE tunnel
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brycechttp://ipnetwork.bgtmo.ip.att.net/ loads fine for me over HE (and over ARP) [23:07]
acf_hmm... my configuration must be jacked then
my router seems to be sending ICMP PTB messages though...
[23:08]
brycec: do you happen to remember your tunnel MTU?
23:19:29.563332 IP6 2607:f2f8:a0e0:4::2 > 2001:1890:1c00:3221::4:1022: ICMP6, packet too big, mtu 1440, length 1240
it's sending a bunch of those
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brycecacf_: 1280
(nothing that I set... I guess it's gif's default)
[23:21]
acf_hmm ok thanks
do you happen to have any ideas?
[23:21]
brycecnope [23:22]
acf_ok. I was having this problem with http://sprintlink.net/ a long time ago, but it went away
also http://www.enterprise.com/
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brycecholy crap, a non-tech company with ipv6 [23:23]
acf_yeah it's cool
but it sucks when you have to force v4 in your browser when you want to rent a car
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mus1cb0xup_the_irons: i'd like to see if my vps on 14 comes down cleanly when you take it down for os upgrade tonight. how can i do that? (fbsd 9.2) [23:24]
brycecI'm jealous of Sprint's address, 2600:: [23:24]
acf_I know. That's like the 8.8.8.8 IPv6 [23:24]
mus1cb0xdang, why did spring get 2600::? [23:24]
acf_they didn't actually get the while thing, just the first part [23:24]
mus1cb0xccc should have gotten it, or l0pht lol [23:24]
brycecacf_: more like having 1.0.0.0 [23:24]
acf_yeah
I'm happy the sprint people put it to good use though :)
[23:24]
brycec2600::/29
That's huge
[23:25]
acf_16 /32s right? [23:26]
brycec8
:0 through :7:ffff_
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up_the_ironsmus1cb0x: i start shutting them off at 00:05 PDT. If yours doesn't go down by 00:07 or so, you should manually shut it off. I keep retrying for 5 minutes. at 00:10, the whole box goes down.
mus1cb0x: acf_ brycec : I was a little too late for my /32 to be in 2600::, i've always been jealous
mine started at 2607::, as y'all know
acf_: can i ask you to send me that paste in a ticket (support@arpnetworks.com), otherwise i'm likely to forget forward to NTT
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mus1cb0xup_the_irons: ok i'll be here and watching the clock at :05. if it doesn't go down by :07 i'll manually shut it down
if i'm watching console would i see an acpi shutdown attempt?
(if it fails to take affect)
[23:37]
up_the_ironsmus1cb0x: you'll see it shutdown at least :) [23:37]
acf_up_the_irons: of course, just a bit :) [23:39]
up_the_irons:) [23:41]
mus1cb0xbtw is it just me or is it weird when women butcher their eyebrows down to thin unnatural lines? [23:41]
up_the_ironsit's f'in weird and i hate it [23:42]
mus1cb0xTHANK YOU [23:42]
up_the_ironsnp
:)
[23:42]
mus1cb0xi don't know who sells women on this but it's NOT a friend of woman [23:42]
up_the_ironseven worse: they shave 'em completely and pencil in their own [23:42]
mus1cb0xomfg yea
"hey miss potato head"
[23:42]
up_the_ironswomen sell it to women b/c secretly they are all in competition with one another. "omg, that looks so good on you!" really means "now your boyfriend will like me more" [23:43]
mus1cb0xHAHAHAH you could have something [23:43]
up_the_irons:) [23:43]
mus1cb0xyea it's always the weirdos with eyebrow regret telling other ppl with lucious natural eyebrows they have monobrow or w/e
keep your jokes, joker (catch the double double?)
joker from batman, the dude who looks like a FREAK
[23:44]
up_the_ironshah [23:44]
mus1cb0xmus1cb0x gets punchy ahead of server maintenance [23:45]
up_the_ironsholy crap u guys have made many other channels: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_logs
;)
and kick [FBI] in each of 'em
haha
oh hey, if anyone local (Los Angeles) wants a Lifeform executive chair, i'm selling mine for $1500 (orig paid $2300 new)
or make me an offer
[23:46]
mus1cb0xhey at least they aren't using your subdomain to log #bearcave chatter [23:49]
up_the_ironslol
yeah
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