[01:01] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:12] *** pjs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:14] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [01:20] *** pjs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:14] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:14] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has joined #arpnetworks [03:04] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [03:23] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [03:23] *** pjs is now known as Guest93560 [04:40] *** anis is now known as anisfarhana [04:41] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Changing host) [04:41] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [04:43] Hail hail! [08:31] I have a bash script trying to ether-wake my machine, but it doesnt work. Contents are: [08:31] #!/bin/bash [08:32] sbin/ether-wake "00:1e:c9:e1:38:d4 -i eth0" [08:32] > /sbin/ether-wake "00:1e:c9:e1:38:d4 -i eth0" even [08:41] *** staticsafe|2 has joined #arpnetworks [08:44] *** staticsafe_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:45] *** staticsafe_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:48] *** staticsafe|2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:52] mnathani: try without the quotes [09:26] Agreed mnathani - the "-i eth0" is an option, shouldn't be part of the "Host-ID" argument [09:26] mnathani: there's also -D for debug info [09:27] And beyond that, confirm that WoL works on the target device, and the target is on the same broadcast domain [09:27] command works outside the script [09:28] (I have no experience with WoL really, just going off http://linux.die.net/man/8/ether-wake) [09:28] mnathani: bash -x script [09:28] see what exactly it's doing [09:28] And I still think the -i needs to be outside the quotes. [09:28] it shouldn't work with it in the quotes [09:28] But, you know, see -D for what it's actually putting on the wire. [09:36] it might parse the host-id correctly anyway and ignore the trailing "junk", but then the "-i eth0" is lost [09:37] (hence my suggestion to see -D) [09:37] yup, well, there's nothing there that requires quoting [09:38] * brycec nods [09:38] will try again once I am at the terminal [09:39] Excuses excuses excuses. Come on, use your telekinesis :P [09:39] currently at lunch / weechat Android client [09:39] lol [09:39] brain power spent on eating, eh? tsk tsk [10:08] *** Guest93560 is now known as pjs [10:30] brycec: Never try it before? [10:30] Never tried... eating? I haven't lived this many years without trying "eating" [10:31] No, brain power spent while eating. [10:33] I still remember I'm working on something for about 20 hours without eating, and i cannot solve it in 20 hours. So i just take a rest and have my supper. Right after that, took me less than 5 minutes to solve it. [11:23] *** sjackso has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [11:55] *** pyvpx has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:56] *** pyvpx has joined #arpnetworks [12:14] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [12:18] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [12:36] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:19] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [13:19] success... my server is now completely up to date! [13:19] success on my part too [13:19] \o/ [13:19] updating emacs broke irc.el, so I had to figure out where last-input-char went [13:19] brycec: removing the "" worked [13:19] Good [13:20] so now I'm back! [13:20] wb RandalSchwartz [13:20] and running perl 5.16 instead of 5.10 [13:20] brycec: turns out the machine I was targeting stopped responding to WOL packets, causing me to question the script [13:20] one of the shared libs installed funny, so I had to reinstall that [13:20] RandalSchwartz: Any particular reason you're on 8.4? Just because it's LTS? [13:21] ..you use emacs as your IRC client? [13:21] * brycec waits for emacs to gain the ability to bathe and clothe [13:22] yes [13:22] I'm on 8.4 because it wasn't that far from 8.3 [13:22] and I wanted to minimize the risk [13:22] after I have a breather from this, I'll upgrade to 9 or 10 later in the year [13:22] I just jumped from 9. to 10.0 this weekend :) [13:23] when I have more hair to pull out :) [13:23] is there a pkg command to verify all the shared libs make sense? [13:23] It went perfectly smoothly, except the part where I forgot to "pkg upgrade" before the final freebsd-update. [13:23] RandalSchwartz: Like autoremove, to remove unneeded ones? [13:23] pg wouldn't start because an XML lib was broken [13:23] I'm just wondering if anything else is like that that I haven't noticed yet [13:24] once you're 100% pkg, then the pkg ecosystem takes care of that [13:24] I thought I remember some command [13:24] Or so I'm told. [13:24] no - it didn't :) [13:24] I had to parse the error message, use pkg which, then uninstall/reinstall [13:25] Weird. [13:25] I know of pkg check and pkg shlib, but neither does exactly what you're looking for [13:25] Sounds like, to do what you want, a program would need to compile and link against every single library and test for failure. [13:26] ahh.. pkg check -B [13:26] I'll try that first [13:26] pkg check -B is used to reanalyse shared libraries of installed packages. [13:26] Good luck :) [13:26] I suspect it just looks for what's installed, versus checking that what's installed works. [13:26] possibly [13:26] Oh... and pkg set -o ... for upgrading perl failed [13:26] so I just uninstalled perl5 [13:27] and then pkg install `pkg rquery %o` [13:27] since my built ports were precisely what I wanted installed [13:28] anyway... no longer at risk of various certs :) [13:28] CERT [13:28] CVEs... whatever they're called [13:28] ... red.stonehenge.com:~ +# pkg audit [13:28] 0 problem(s) in the installed packages found. [13:28] yeay! [13:36] well, just disengaged my v6 tunnel again. congestion is dropping traffic coming in over the tun if to 1mbit/sec or less [13:36] wee [13:44] Thanks for the reminder, m0unds [13:44] Don't ask what [13:44] But you reminded me [13:44] of something [13:44] hahahaha [13:45] (I added ipv6 to my openvpn network a couple weeks ago, but I forgot to add the new address space to a couple of services) [13:47] m0unds: really? my smokeping doesn't look bad yet [13:48] ok - that's weird. I didn't realize I had an audible account... must've signed up back in January on one of my drunken evenings. :) [13:48] and I have 4 credits to use... (max is 6, so I'm glad I got it...) [13:49] acf_: yeah, mine looks fine as well [13:49] but you're seeing poor tcp performance? [13:49] yep [13:50] 49% [==================> ] 51,872,934 6.54MB/s eta 9s [13:50] that's what I see [13:50] yeah, to the vm is fine [13:50] the tunnel side of it was problematic (i was using my vps as a tunnel endpoint) [13:50] ah, ok [13:51] brycec: your smokeping is really cool [13:51] how did you do the remote host monitoring thingy? [13:51] fwiw m0unds I can confirm that it's not just some flimsy limitation of tun :) [13:52] (setup my speedtest on the ivp6 tun/openvpn address, whee) [13:52] acf_: which page? [13:52] up til about a week ago, i was able to saturate my line here, so i don't know what's up but it's annoying [13:52] acf_: or just the remote monitoring in general? [13:52] yeah [13:52] so i cut out the annoying thing til it's not a problem anymore [13:52] yeah m0unds, maybe you're seeing something else besides the Comcast congestion [13:53] spending a half hour downloading a 2.8GB patch, only to have it progress 30% is silly [13:53] I've never had good luck with openvpn/tun for performance [13:53] well, this is a gif/ipip tunnel [13:53] acf_: http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/doc/smokeping_master_slave.en.html [13:53] so low overhead anyway [13:53] m0unds: a gif tunnel you named tun? weirdo [13:53] oh cool. I started using gretap a while ago [13:53] i shorthanded tunnel [13:53] with tun [13:54] Ohh [13:54] it was actually named ip-0-0-0.0 [13:54] since, junos [13:54] Look at all this silly confusion you caused with that needless abbreviation :p [13:54] well, ip-0-0-0, unit 0 vlan 0, so ip-0-0-0.0 [13:54] haha [13:55] Only because tun(4) is a thing [13:55] yep, i know that too [13:55] til xbox one will receive content from msft via ipv6 if available [13:55] haha [13:55] Oh that's good [13:57] i guess it makes sense - my wife was streaming netflix and it was hitting the tunnel too [13:57] Should the xbox go directly to netflix for that? [13:57] Hm doesn't look like mine has a v6 address currently... but I can't be sure it's even on right now. [13:58] netflix has v6 [13:58] m0unds: One or 360 (or original?) [13:58] one [13:58] haven't tried 360 [13:58] guess i could rollback my cfg change to try it, haha [14:01] just wanted to drive on nurbergring in forza, damn it [14:01] haha [14:01] err, nurburgring [14:17] *** staticsafe__ has joined #arpnetworks [14:18] huh, well, i noticed that the ip i was tunnelling to changed its route from the direct abq -> lax to abq -> denver -> sjc -> lax, so i'm trying again with the one remaining address that routes directly [14:20] *** staticsafe_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:40] brycec: jpalmer : we send a notification any time your card declines [14:41] man scrollback is huge [14:41] acf_: send me an update mtr when you notice bad NTT -> Verizon stuff and I'll email NTT [14:42] Well yeah up_the_irons, you've been absent for 3 days... [14:43] (absent==silent) [14:43] but even then, sometimes 3 days doesn't accrue too much. i'm usually not watching IRC over the weekend. [14:43] i think it's starbucks time, bbl [14:44] truedat [14:44] * brycec wishes there were a *$ closer than 6mi [14:50] *$ needs delivery drones :) [15:28] hahaha [15:28] * m0unds imagines having coffee spilled on him by a drone [15:55] ñ [15:55] oops [15:55] I was just testing utf-8 still working [15:55] wait... I need a white smiley face [15:56] ☺ [15:56] oops.. [15:56] yeah, that works [16:19] @weather SFO [16:19] San Francisco International, CA: Partly Cloudy ☁ 74°F (23°C), Humidity: 53%, Wind: From the WNW at 23 MPH Gusting to 30 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=37.61960983,-122.36557770 or re-request this with: @weather -v SFO [16:19] More unicode [16:22] A little cloud! [16:22] @weather LHR [16:22] Heathrow, United Kingdom: Clear 63°F (17°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: From the West at 6 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=51.47750092,-0.46138901 or re-request this with: @weather -v LHR [16:22] darn it no clear unicode [16:22] @weather SYD [16:22] Kingsford Smith International, New South Wales: Light Rain ☂ Showers 57°F (14°C), Humidity: 94%, Wind: From the South at 9 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-33.94649887,151.17309570 or re-request this with: @weather -v SYD [16:22] there we go! Rain! [16:27] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/netflix-refuses-to-comply-with-verizons-cease-and-desist-demands/ [16:27] hmm [16:27] Ars Technica: "Netflix refuses to comply with Verizon’s “cease and desist” demands" [16:57] @weather dxb [16:57] Dubai International, UAE: Clear 88°F (31°C), Humidity: 66%, Wind: From the South at 7 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=25.25389481,55.36560059 or re-request this with: @weather -v dxb [16:57] @weather pdx [16:57] Portland International, OR: Scattered Clouds 73°F (22°C), Humidity: 48%, Wind: From the NNE at 5.0 MPH Gusting to 17.0 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=45.568871,-122.637115 or re-request this with: @weather -v pdx [16:57] @weather yyz [16:57] Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 72°F (22°C), Humidity: 57%, Wind: From the SSE at 8 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [16:57] @weather khi [16:57] Jinnah International, Pakistan: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 86°F (30°C), Humidity: 74%, Wind: From the SSW at 13 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=24.89999962,67.13333130 or re-request this with: @weather -v khi [17:01] @weather anc [17:01] Stevens Anchorage International, AK: Overcast ☁ 59°F (15°C), Humidity: 58%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=61.194088,-149.932892 or re-request this with: @weather -v anc [17:01] darn it... no snow there [17:02] @weather USH [17:02] Ushuaia International Malvine Island, Argentina: Partly Cloudy ☁ 39°F (4°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-54.84405136,-68.30818176 or re-request this with: @weather -v USH [17:03] @weather PMC [17:03] El Tepual International, Chile: Overcast ☁ 52°F (11°C), Humidity: 88%, Wind: From the North at 20 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-41.43472290,-73.09750366 or re-request this with: @weather -v PMC [17:03] darn it [17:03] damn global warming [17:05] @weather PSY [17:05] Error, No cities match your search query [17:05] @weather MPN [17:05] Mount Pleasant, Falkland Islands: Clear 34°F (1°C), Humidity: 93%, Wind: From the NNE at 9 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-51.81998062,-58.44839859 or re-request this with: @weather -v MPN [17:12] spam [17:13] Not sure if you can get spam there. [17:13] the weather thing [17:14] RandalSchwartz: you can always just PM BryceBot [17:14] I was looking for utf8 chars [17:14] 'Sunny ☀', [17:14] 'Cloudy ☁', [17:14] 'Snow ❄' [17:14] 'Rain ☂' [17:14] 'Clear ☄' [17:14] 'Thunderstorm ☈' [17:14] 'Overcast ☁', [17:15] That's all you'll get out of BryceBot [17:15] At least for @weather [17:15] You can always feed Wikipedia through it [17:15] http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%E5%92%8CC%2B%2B%E9%81%8B%E7%AE%97%E5%AD%90 [17:15] C和C++運算子 :: 這裡是C和C++語言的運算子列表。所有列出的運算子皆含納於C++；第三個欄目裡的內容也使用C來描述。應當注意的是C不支援运算符重载。下列運算子在兩個語言中都是順序點（運算子未重載時）： &&、||、?: 和 ,（逗號運算子）。 C++也包含類型轉換運算子const_cast、static_cast、dynamic_cast和reinterpret_cast，不在表中列出以維持簡� [17:15] well that failed miserably [17:15] weird, BryceBot is totally utf8 friendly [17:15] http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B2_C_%D0%B8_C%2B%2B [17:15] Операторы в C и C++ :: Языки программирования Си и Си++ поддерживают сходный набор операторов. Некоторые из операторов недоступны в языке Си. Кроме того Си не поддерживает перегрузку операторов. Операторы &&, || и , (оператор comma), при условии что не пере [17:17] translated "Must Get Moose and Squirrel" [17:17] failed? [17:17] looked chinese to me [17:17] was it the wrong chars? [17:34] what wireless router do folks recommend if I plan on running DD-WRT / Tomato? [17:35] i use tp-links [17:35] cos they cheap [17:35] i'm using 4300 [17:36] http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4300 [17:39] This item is currently out of stock and it may or may not be restocked. [17:39] hmm [17:39] newegg.ca ^ [17:40] mercutio: how well does it run openwrt ? [17:41] fine [17:41] i don't do anything fancy [17:41] i'm using gargoyle [17:41] but same diff [17:41] oh it's out of stock? [17:41] do you run different vlans at all? [17:41] http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-WDR4300-Wireless-Gigabit-300Mbps/dp/B0088CJT4U [17:41] nope [17:41] Amazon: "TP-LINK TL-WDR4300 Wireless N750 Dual Band Router, Gigabit, 2.4GHz 300Mbps+5Ghz 450Mbps, 2 USB port, Wireless On/Off Switch" [17:42] i'm not actually using it atm [17:42] well not directly [17:42] housemate is using it [17:42] as wireless client, bridging to ethernet [17:42] it's doing about 50 megabit, a usb stick was doing about 6 megabit [17:42] oh wow, thats quite a difference [17:43] yeah but it's 3 antenna [17:43] and the wirelss was just one of those mini usb wireless thingys [17:43] and he has pci [17:43] rather than pci-e [17:43] well for free slots [17:43] not bad for $68 bucks and free shipping [17:43] i'm also using a wireless ac card [17:43] err i was [17:43] on media box [17:44] but it seems to go funny when cmoputer goes into standby mode [17:44] it got way colder, and haven't been watching tv shows in that room :) [17:45] but this house is kind of terrible for wireless [17:45] and i think it's the house [17:45] rather than interferene [17:45] that said, it's more stable on 5.8 ghz [17:45] i also used to use it as a wireless ap [17:46] and tbh, at 2.4 ghz it's not really any better than tp-link 1043nd [17:46] i bet they're cheap now [17:46] I was looking at TL-WDR3600 also [17:47] yeh that's perttu much the same [17:47] except 300 megabit at 5 ghz [17:47] it depends if you're using double stream / tripple stream devices [17:48] that router, and my normal access point are the only tripple stream devices i have [17:48] i'm using a wireless ac access point [17:48] unifi uap-ac [17:48] and it crashes :/ [17:48] To be honest, I pretty much only need the NAT / Gigabit switching. I have a Cisco Aeronet APP [17:48] oh [17:49] i do my nat on pc tbh [17:49] and I never tried openwrt etc [17:49] i don't really like openwrt [17:49] but normal routers firmware sucks [17:49] gargoyle makes it easier to configure [17:50] i mean it's cool having linux and all [17:50] but it uses this god awful text editor [17:50] err the busybox one [17:50] and you can't update packages nicely without updating firmware [17:50] or you start running out of space [17:50] i'd much rather they just had a normal filesystem and compact flash / sdcard or such [17:51] and use openbsd :) [17:51] is it high bandwidth nat etc? [17:51] cos you could also go for something like cubietruck [17:52] low power arm computer dual core, 2gb ram, 8gb flash [17:52] gigabit ethernet, sdcard support, sata support [17:52] ~$100 usd [17:53] not so much high bandwidth but higher concurrent connections [17:53] bittorrent, usenet, vpn etc [17:54] well once modems jumped from 8mb of ram to 32mb of ram they also were fine for that pretty much [17:54] with 16mb it was a bit hit and miss [17:54] but most of the ones that used to crash/lockup had 8mb of ram [17:54] and like that tp-link has 128mb of ram [17:54] Cable modem maxes out at about 38 mbits/sec [17:55] yeah that not really high bandwidth [17:55] it is nice having ssh and tcpdump [17:56] oh i don't have tcpdump installed [17:56] i have iperf installed :) [17:57] i'd rather go for arm board myself [17:57] just because it means you aren't cramped for space/size etc [17:57] can run what you like [17:58] but if you don't want to tweak lots [17:58] gargoyle isn't too bad [17:58] http://www.gargoyle-router.com/wiki/doku.php?id=screenshots [17:58] RAM Size = 32MB [17:58] what [17:58] on my Linksys: Wireless-N Gigabit RouterWRT310Nv2 [17:59] ahh [17:59] 32mb should be ok [17:59] i used openwrt on tp-link 1043nd with 32mb of ram for ages [17:59] it drops the occasional packet here and there [17:59] that's not usally ram related [18:00] does openwrt support it? [18:00] i can't find it yet :) [18:00] http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-284894 [18:00] some instructions on tomato [18:01] but I am not confident [18:01] tomato hardly runs on anything btw [18:01] i think it's broadcom noly rather than atheros or something [18:02] you might find it works better with tomato than default firmware [18:02] I would much rather get a secondary device than attempt something on the only internet gateway of the household [18:02] ahh right [18:03] i actually got a $20 router which i want to try openwrt on [18:03] haven't tried it yet, but it's meant to have support [18:03] and 64mb of ram i think [18:03] only 100 megabit ports [18:04] but i kind of like this wireless bridging thing now [18:34] i got a few refurb linksys e3000s for use as APs a couple years ago [18:34] they were like $35/ea on amazon and i run tomato on them [18:36] if you want something powerful to use for routing and something else for APs, check out mikrotik routerboard devices [18:36] some of the features are squirrelly, but they're generally significantly better than anything you'd get and slap openwrt or ddwrt on [18:37] if you only require 2.4GHz, http://routerboard.com/RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN [18:45] ??? [18:45] damnit, cant' use unicode [18:46] m0unds: that's more expensive than the arm boards? [18:46] they're also slower cpu than the tp-link 4300s [18:46] routerboard 1100ahx2 is ok [18:47] but thinks like 2011 are basically similar to the modems/routers [18:47] i have been wodnering if can stick linux on cloud core router though [18:49] ahx2 is junk [18:49] it's good at ipsec, but has thermal issues and horribly buggy firmware [18:49] also, some of the ports aren't on the switch chip, which adds 200+ms to first hop latency (not kidding) [18:49] rb2011 is liek that too [18:50] rb2011 you ahve to ignore half the ports [18:50] cloud core router doesn't even have a switch [18:50] it switches on the cpu [18:50] they're all kind of bad, but cheap [18:51] but powerpc vs mips is quite a jump in cpu [18:52] Mikrotik RB750GL Mini-Router 5 Gigabit Ethernet Ports can that device do an ipv6 tunnel to hurricane electric? [18:52] and you have to go through the core anyway if using things like nat [18:52] my rb1200 is suffering from the latency hit as well. not as bad as 200msec but jumping from the atheros chip to cpu bound is just.. shit [18:53] jber: did you disable connectino tracking? [18:53] routeros doesn't really scale [18:53] the new switch chips around actually support doing hardware nat [18:53] mercutio: yep. i mean, we're talking a few msecs here but it still non-zero which is annoying with gbit. [18:53] including the one in rb2011 i think [18:54] which i think is the same as what's in the tp-link [18:54] jber: ccr is pretty good for latency [18:54] a few msec is terrible [18:54] do you mean like 0.3 msec? [18:54] or like 3 msec? [18:55] mercutio: jitters in between those ranges depending on load. [18:55] and is that only when trying to push gigabit through it ? [18:56] and it's using hardware queues on the ethernet ports? [18:56] mercutio: not really, you get that penalty on <10% load as well. when i picked it up and started testing i thought i had faulty hardware all over the place until i realised i was hitting cpu outside of the switch plugs [18:57] mercutio: yeah. the first five are on an atheros 8316 [18:58] jbergstroem: yeah, same here - i used an rb1100ahx2 for about 2 months and gave up on it. i thought it was faulty out of the box, but nope [18:58] heh [18:58] the rb450g was pretty good, but the first run had production issues [18:58] haven't really done any more testing since. i just use the first five [18:58] latter ones had that fixed [18:58] jber: good solution :) [18:58] i'm onyl using abuot 5 ports i think on switch [18:58] which i think is 24 port heh [18:59] it can be easy to stay low in port count with all the wirelss etc these days [18:59] I have a few rb751g-2hnd as well. not very happy about them tbh. switch is all fine, but i've been fighting with its wifi for a good while. all kinds of issues [19:00] RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN is a good bet. that's been my best experience to date. [19:00] rb751g-2hnd is the one i have [19:00] wifi issues as well [19:01] :-/ [19:02] what has that got over the tp-link 3600 though? [19:02] if i got paid to admin these things (haha) i'd probably pick some other brand and go to openwrt. routeros is still a pretty good "setup once, just works" destination [19:02] it's the same cpu [19:03] rb2011 has more ports, but all the tp-link ones are on the switch [19:03] jber: until you ened to do a firmware upgrade [19:04] i'd love to see an open source solution better than openwrt myself [19:04] yep, openwrt and dd-wrt are super flakey [19:04] i wouldn't trust dd-wrt on anything [19:04] with 0 downtime security updates etc [19:05] I run lots of openwrt nodes [19:05] i found code in a whole run of builds that was intended for one of their commercial customers [19:05] (dd-wrt) [19:05] that's why i was advocating cubietruck :) [19:05] and it included hardcoded firewall rules and stuff [19:05] when i brought it up, i got banned from posting on their forums [19:05] lol [19:05] gizmoguy: do you bake your own stuff from openwrt trunk? [19:05] jbergstroem: I did for a time, but that got annoying [19:05] m0unds: yeah, openwrt is kinda the way to go [19:05] I just run the latest trunk builds from openwrt [19:06] is that for network testing gizmo? [19:06] gizmoguy: how do you handle upgrades (packages, configs, changes et al)? [19:06] Hah no. My house :) [19:06] oh [19:06] jbergstroem: I only use it for personal stuff [19:06]