[00:00] Interesting - mtr to t.co, 3 hops in NTT and it's only the last hop that's bad. 1.0ms, 1.0ms, 192ms. [00:03] icmp deprioritization maybe? [00:22] I'm beginning to think that maybe NTT just sucks [00:30] Level3's path is fine: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/b87f9d [00:30] just saying [01:24] yeah it's strange isn't it [01:49] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [01:58] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [03:40] *** treshoem2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [04:08] *** phlux has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [04:14] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:16] *** anis has joined #arpnetworks [08:56] >:( http://paste.unixcube.org/k/3cd15c [08:56] up_the_irons: could you please go yell at NTT for us? [09:01] i don't think it'll do any good - they're in the same position as tata [09:01] comcast is buying peering from them and running it really hot, so it gets congested as hell during high demand hours [09:01] same with telia [09:03] random baby spider just dropped out of thin air and climbed into my macbook keyboard under the right shift key [09:03] haha [09:15] :q [09:15] err [09:29] lol I do that in openoffice documents all the time [10:23] *** tellnes has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:23] *** z310 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:26] *** tellnes has joined #arpnetworks [10:26] *** z310 has joined #arpnetworks [10:30] *** z310 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [10:31] *** z310 has joined #arpnetworks [13:50] god, comcast escalation support has gotten bad [13:50] it used to be really, really good [13:50] they want to roll a truck for this ntt/comcast congestion issue in LA [13:50] the dude determined my modem is "at death's door" and needs to be replaced to fix a signal issue, but the signal levels reported by the modem on the customer-facing part of it are well within spec [13:51] *** m0unds_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:51] it's like their way of saying 'i don't understand what you just explained to me, so i'll fold it over into a context i can understand. your modem is bad." [13:51] tell them their modem that connects them to NTT is bad :) [13:51] then they'll understand [13:52] hahaha [13:52] *** m0unds_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:52] why are we so lucky enough to have two m0unds [13:53] one's via v4 at home, the other's via v6 on this box [13:54] they just don't understand mounds [13:54] mercutio: no shit [13:54] well are yuo surprised [13:55] tier 1 helpdesks always suck [13:55] well, considering 2+ years of biz support would have been able to understand it and suddenly in the last month and a half, it's a room full of retards [13:55] ntt is a japanese transit provider primarily [13:55] so most people probably have no idea who they are [13:55] and they're a transit provider in the us for lots of stuff [13:56] and it looks kind of like ntu [13:56] hmm [13:56] verizon is in a transit spat with them now, according to a friend of mine that works for an isp that competes w/vz [13:56] verizon in transit spat with comcast? [13:56] no, with ntt [13:56] or with ntt? [13:56] welll we alraedy know ntt sucks to both comcast and verizon [13:57] yeah, but it's because it's due to both vz and comcast shitlisting traffic and dumping it on tata, ntt and telia [13:57] peering drama \o/ [13:57] politics [13:57] yaaaaaaay [13:57] m0unds: that's what at&t did with cogent [13:57] everyone does that with cogent [13:58] but [13:58] given equal paths, they'd push things otu to cogent [13:58] comcast did it with cogent leading up to netflix' paid interconnect agreement [13:58] which means if you had any cogent in your mix, you'd get bad traffic from at&t [13:58] because the ports were way over congested [13:58] so are you meant to just drop cogent? [13:59] (well actually should you have cogent in the first place?) [13:59] cogent's not as bad as it used to be [14:02] at&t goes via ntt too hmm [14:03] and looks to have some congestino too [14:03] so are ntt just becoming another cogent? [14:17] just higher ping though at least [14:17] 17 msec jitter [14:22] > but it's because it's due to both vz and comcast shitlisting traffic and dumping it on tata, ntt and telia [14:22] what exactly do you think the relationship between NTT/Telia/TATA and Comcast is? [14:22] Comcast buys NTT transit, but not enough? [14:23] yeah, they do the same with other transit providers too [14:23] and then if you don't play ball w/them, your traffic gets shitlisted, e.g., it gets funneled through one of those providers [14:23] the worst offender is tata, but they're bad nearly everywhere [14:24] by "play ball" I assume you mean "buy transit" [14:24] yeah, arrange for an agreement to peer directly w/comcast [14:24] so they use the crappy links with Tier 1s to coerce Netflix, etc... into buying transit directly from them [14:24] yeah, which netflix should just do as a cost of doing business anyway [14:24] super [14:24] because it's nonsense that any one party should bear that whole burden [14:25] so it's really not NTT's fault [14:25] that's why paid peering agreements exist and have existed forever [14:25] not necessarily [14:25] no way to tell easily [14:25] ^ [14:26] this is all guessing [14:26] hmm... you'd think NTT would care about the quality of their Comcast links quite a lot [14:26] yeah, speculation, speculation, speculation [14:26] well, if comcast is a customer, ntt isn't in any place to say "buy more capacity from us" [14:27] so how do you think buying transit from Comcast/Verizon/etc... compares to NTT pricing wise? [14:27] ie, why not just by transit from Comcast and get it over with [14:28] i have no idea, i deal with closed networks not internet-facing networks :) [14:28] got it [14:28] it's interesting that you say Comcast is an NTT customer [14:28] because you would think NTT would be the primary sender [14:28] they likely are, but again, speculation [14:29] and the sender usually pays [14:29] of course [14:30] i haven't been able to find anything that prefers tata [14:30] I know I've seen it in the path to ARP in the past [14:31] so Level3 [14:31] do they have peering congestion too? [14:32] not as bad as it used to be - they used to be in the same boat as tata, ntt and cogent were w/comcast [14:32] what happened? [14:32] dunno, just remember there was a really public series of blog posts and yelling back and forth in 2010 or so [14:33] I remember that between Level3 and Cogent [14:33] and Verizon and Cogent [14:33] there was another one between level3 and comcast too [14:33] corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-comments-on-level-3 [14:33] http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-comments-on-level-3 [14:36] interesting [14:39] yea [14:39] i haven't really seen a lick of headend or city-level comcast congestion in years [14:40] http://www.internap.com/2014/03/07/despite-comcast-netflix-deal-settlement-free-peering-alive-well/ [14:41] that's a farmiliar graph :\ [14:43] yeah, haha [14:44] i think it's a little disingenuous to say that suddenlink and sonic agreed to open connect purely because it benefits customers [14:45] they have significantly smaller networks and smaller subscriber counts [14:46] that's like saying $local_isp supports openconnect because it benefits consumers - i'd guess it'd probably also reduce the strain of their peers at the edge of their network [14:48] so i guess it's customer-centric in a way, but also protects their own business from having the reputation of being the "slow isp" haha [14:48] yeah. it's at least nice to see someone writing about the peering congestion though [14:49] I haven't been able to find much direct acknowledgement of the issue anywhere [14:50] http://www.internap.com/2010/12/02/peering-disputes-comcast-level-3-and-you/ [14:50] internap seems to have some nice blogs [14:52] http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ [14:53] broadband service providers, right behind airlines [14:56] haha, yeah [15:01] was playing with netbsd earlier. hadn't used it in years. 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