hi,all
hi
I can't login my VPS  :(
it got hacked?
have you tried using vnc?
I can't ping it. can you help me to ping it?
we have some professional pingers in the channel
but yeah, does the VNC console let you in?
oh, really? I think my VPN was blocked by the fireworks
what?
firewall ?
ok what is your ip
for your vps
he's in china
so if he was vpn'ing via it, then it may have randomly got blocked
174.136.103.90
ah. yeah :/
we can't ping it either
100% packet loss
so it's probably down for some reason
if you go to portal.arpnetworks.com
and login
then click on vps
I have start it in portal
then it will tell you what your vnc server is
and what port
you don't usually need to start it, it should arleady  be running
and if there is a problem it can be good to see what it thinks the problem is
how I can check it?
running or not
by using vnc
so you went to portal ?
and it says your vnc server and port?
ok. I need a vnc client.
ok
windows? mac? linux adoyee ?
I'm from China. u know, the firewall ..
mac
mac and linux
if you got a linux nearby
there should be a decent enough built in VNC client
yes, and irc clients
using irc for the first time
oh it's back
hi~
what happened, so many left
woo, freenode
net split
ha`
moments pls
netsplit
~.`.
did you get sorted adoyee
hi, mercutio. I'm in office now. It's better check the vps in my private time.
ahh ok
professional pingers, represent!
heh
i think NTT is just screwy - this only happened in the last few days
i can see it from work (centurylink) as well
uhh it was happening months ago
i'm talking about the thing with comcast and me
not the thing with verizon
oh
well, comcast and centurylink and me
well whenever we talked about it last time with some of us, verizon and comast were both a bit screwy
and ntt had had some los angeles routing oddities on top of thagt
where ntt via san jose wasn't as bad as ntt via los angeles
or osmething ilke that
yeah, but i wasn't seeing 20+% packet loss and 200% higher latency
oh
but there was 5% loss or something
based on time of day
yeah
reoccuring
hadn't seen that in months via comcast here though
oh ok
there was 20 msec higher latency before or something i think?
with the exception of that weird thing late last week, when kvr26 was experiencing tons of pkt loss
i don't actually even remember what month this was :)
yeh that wasn't ntt's fault
well, it's weird - one of my addresses ordinarily pings ~30ms and is routed via LAX directly off comcast to arp
but other ones are routed to SJC via denver and ping at 50ms or so
have you tried iperf?
nah
throughput is fine - i tunnel ipv6 traffic through this vm
ahh ok
you can figure out direction of loss
i'm reasonably sure it's NTT, because my CL route is NTT bidirectionally
but comcast is only NTT outbound from the vm
and the CL one has the same hop both directions
yeah i think it's outbound via ntt that is the issue too
ae-3.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net  <- that one
bnut that's from last time rather than testing
right
bah i'll see if i have any affected hosts :/
i think i didn't
oh
it's too late at night now
isn't it
yeah
http://i.imgur.com/zPKFrvm.png
that's on one of the low-latency IP addresses via LAX
so what 4 hours too late?
7
oh
stops at around midnight gmt -0700
it's nearly 2 am here
i should be in bed heh
but yeah means it finishes about 7 pm here
which is about when it's easy to do testing hah
haha
oh it's only 5% loss
it was way worse than that what i saw?
yeah, i think the vz one is much worse
ahh
speed congestion and latency are what i'm seeing here
just coincides with the vz thing, just less severe
yeah it's complicated to determine impact
usually the graph is nice and flat 24/7
i normalyl reckon 0.5% to 5% loss is degraded
and over 5% is severely degraded
29ms +/- .3ms right now
and 20%+ loss is unusable.
but i thikn loss should be below 0.05%
and ordinarily it is, there's just some wonky stuff somewhere
for transit links etc
well i imagine comcast may be resolvable
ie they may actually take notice if you email them
whereas i think verizon is long standing dispute territory?
yeah, they're terrible
i've got a buddy who's an engineer w/comcast, but he's out of town. i figured if it's persisting when he gets back, i'll drop him a line
i doubt much will happen in a timely manner
but i've been wrong in the past
oh hey i'm seeing latency as well
http://202.49.71.24:24/smokeping/smokeping.fcgi?displaymode=n;start=2014-06-06%2019:53;end=now;target=other.comcastnet
from nz, via verizon to comcast
it's probably ntt return path
it originates from 202.49.71.24
can you traceroute from comcast back to that ip?
uhh it looks like level3
oh it's ntt forward path
ok it verizon forward path again
will see what it liketommorow
lol professional pingers....
yeah, we're pro-pingers
up_the_irons: I realized yesterday that my card on file,  had expired and I was two months behind.   Thanks for not killing my account!   I've updated the card info, and you can run it whenever you'd like.
Wouldn't up_the_irons have emailed on payment failure?
I agree - thanks for not killing the account - but I think there should've been a warning/notification
brycec: I get a ton of emails,  I probably just overlooked one, if it came in.
Ah
ok, just sent NTT an email about Comcast
Alan,
We are currently seeing no issues on the NTT network. Please contact
your network provider to have the issue investigated further.
lol
haha, i guess give it 2 hours
yeah, if you look at my Verizon email
it went the same way
I have a modified version of the reply: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/eec77a
with s/Verizon/Comcast/
hahaha, nice
haha, here it comes
Love the arpnetworksssss!!!!!
Running psybnc on arpnetworks box, idle time is almost 800 minutes now! :D
Very stable
Thanks arpnetworks!
anis: that's not very high :/
heh
acf: i wonder where people are meant to cpomlain about these things
there's that outages mailing list but they probably won't notice
there's nanong :/
but its' not really relevant
i added that particularly flaky hop to my monitoring
could email nanong where to discuss such things?
i'd love to see some kind of proper reporting of interconnects
the only one that's around doesn't actually seem very good
stupid wind. ugh.
http://internetpulse.net/
@wx
!wx
?
m0unds: You looking for @weather ?
wasn't sure what the trigger was, figured it'd be one of those two
haha
wx is kinda uncommon... weather makes way more sense :p
moar chars
@weather kaeg
There are 3 weather alerts in effect for your area! There is a Tornado Watch. There is a Areal Flood Advisory. There is a Wind Advisory.
Double Eagle Ii, NM: Partly Cloudy ☁ 79°F (26°C), Humidity: 19%, Wind: From the West at 14 MPH Gusting to 12 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=, or re-request this with: @weather -v kaeg
 tornado watch o_o
yep, north of me
@weather 87113
There are 3 weather alerts in effect for your area! There is a Tornado Watch. There is a Areal Flood Advisory. There is a Wind Advisory.
Albuquerque, NM: Partly Cloudy ☁ 86°F (30°C), Humidity: 23%, Wind: From the SE at 9.4 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=35.169689,-106.567902 or re-request this with: @weather -v 87113
Nice weather m0unds
is that a unicode cloud? ☁
wind seems off, it's shaking light poles and making the building creak
erk
that doesn't sound good :)
Yes acf_
does that include gust speeds for wind?
yeah, tornado thing is north of here - they just implicated the county albuquerque is in for whatever reason
tonado watch doesn't mean there's tornado
nope, but conditions are favorable
winds do move :)
they had golfball sized hail up in santa fe a bit ago (where the tornado watch is)
ouch
lots of broken windows etc?
no idea, someone on failbuque just said there was a lot of hail
@weather auckland
Auckland, New Zealand: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 67°F (19°C), Humidity: 91%, Wind: From the NE at 4.5 MPH Gusting to 12.1 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-36.973896,174.878021 or re-request this with: @weather -v auckland
67 sounds nice
@wx 99019
Liberty Lake, WA: Scattered Clouds 74°F (23°C), Humidity: 27%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=47.666508,-117.100792 or re-request this with: @wx -v 99019
bah
what is wind calm
haha
does that mean below 5mph or something?
so how does one get oen of these personal meter thingys
@wiki Beaufort scale
Beaufort scale :: The Beaufort scale /ˈboʊfərt/ is an empirical measure that relates wind speed to observed conditions at sea or on land. Its full name is the Beaufort wind force scale, although it is a measure of wind speed and not of force in the scientific sense.      History  The scale was devised in 1805 by Francis Beaufort (later Rear Admiral Sir Francis Beaufort), an Irish... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort%20scale
mercutio: ^
weather underground had a thing outlining hardware requirements for PWS data feeding
with some suggestions for vendors in the us and whatnot
oh it's less than 1km/h
there's one like 500ft from my house
eerie still
m0unds: there's quite a few around it seems
so i imagine it's not extermely expensive
http://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KNMALBUQ167#history
http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/about.asp
that's the one right near my house
yea, my tunnel is shit slow right now so i didn't dare to try and dig around the site
haha
you need to use windows?
No?
WeatherLink  suonded windowsy
It's self-contained, just plug in Ethernet
"The RainWise RapidFire(tm) enabled weather station doesn't need a PC to upload to us."
"WeatherBridge is an IP WiFi appliance that connects to weather stations and updates to Weather Underground real-time, providing up to the second data without the use of a PC."
etc
all non-PC
$1271
that's expesnive :/
Starting at $250 tho
you also need to wire it up etc
some of them http://www.ambientweather.com/amws1000wifi.html
the $250 are the windows ones?
No?
http://rainwise.com/wunderground/ $139
oh so they are all self contained except the usb ones?
(And still no PC required)
What USB ones?
http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_product.asp?pnum=06510USB
Oh you clicked on the top of the line one :p
i googled?
you save $139
it's $1350 :/
i can do too many fun things with $1350 to tie it up in weather stations
unless i had interesting weather or something
but it's sunny something like 300 days a year in ABQ
exactly
haha
but it's windy
wind just means it's either dusty or cold usually
(right now it's dusty)
http://www.ambientweather.com/amws1000wifi.html
so this one is good?
m0unds: If you ran an airport, for instance, you'd care about weather details such as the $$ will get you
airports have weather stations :/
that upload to these weather thingys
mercutio: Yes, they buy them from somewhere...
if i ran an airport, it'd matter
(small airports, air strips, etc)
i live near a small civil aviation airport
DOUBLE EAGLE Ii (the second i is lowercase for some reason)
Yeah m0unds but the idea seemed to go over mercutio's head
lol
And mercutio I have no idea if it's "good" - I only know that it was linked from the wunderground URL I provided.
it didn't go over my head
i just saw there were like 20 personal stations in my city
and figured that lots of them wouldn't be spending lots  of money
there are two airport official ones in the city too
Airport weather rarely matches the weather a few miles/km away
oh?
well lots of sample sets give better ideas anyway
this city doesnt' have the same waether all over :/
Either on account of the airport's distance away from the city, or the microclimate caused by jet engines.
(The airport here is atop a tall hill, 30 minutes away)
(for example)
kind of annoying when driving, because you have to turn wipers on/off/on/off
that sounds more annoying :)
I don't see how
i find automatic cars annoying too :/
it'sk ind of disturbing when somethnng else is decding when to do stuff
Starts raining, wipers start. Rains harder, wipers speed up to match.
my truck does that and the lights turn on when it gets dark too
MAGIC
(me too)
magic!
lol
heh
i gotta go into work super early on wednesday
have to leave at 0300. bleck.
And honestly, the magic wipers have come in handy in some very inclement weather; I could keep my hands on the wheel at all times (necessary) and not worry about tweaking the speed.
SHAZAAM
ouch, m0unds
What time are you going to go to bed?
probably 2100 or so
get to be half asleep while i take down our recording and operator environment so a vendor can fix UPS'
and you'll wake up, i imagine, at 0200?
yeah, something like that probably
haha
>_<
I haven't done anything like that since college
pair of 80kVA eaton powerware units that our facility engineer decided didn't need maintenance bypasses :)
oh dear
oh cool. the air pressure differential caused the roof covering over the convention center at work to balloon up, tear, then flop down like a deflated balloon
m0unds: you guys probably saved a couple hundred bucks, you should say congrats to your power engineer :P
gizmoguy: ikr
it was a $381 option for the two UPS' i specced as replacements late last year (they won't give me the money)
EVERYTHING MUST STAY UP. wait. you want money? whoa, whoa whoa. watch it.
why are you guys even buying UPSs
they are pretty expensive
hahaha
and the maintainence of replacing batteries etc
business continuity, brah
is the rest of the casino on generators?
that's the funny part
i think i told you about that whole lightning/flooding mess we had in july, right?
yeah
we have N+1 gensets for the facility, total generating capacity is like 7MW
the ones (two of them) that backed our gear had no maintenance records, dead batteries, dead battery chargers, so they failed to start when we lost utility power due to the transformer exploding
rofl
so they decided that the way to fix it was to throw more money at new UPS subsystems to keep us up longer if the gens fail to fire up
see, way better off if you didn't have them :)
why don't you buy laptops for servers
lol
YUS
I hear they have built in UPSs
so, the old men with the big checkbooks wanted us to get new, better UPS' (which i would like, because the ones we have are 13 years old)
they have battery maintenance and stuff, but they're old and don't have maintenance bypasses >:|
so they asked me for a ballpark price range for what we wanted, so i specced 4 80kVA 9390s w/vycon flywheel frontends as an option to reduce battery wear and extended battery cabinets rated for 15 mins at full load (because that's the magic number they had in their minds)
it was gonna be something like $385k installed, with transfer switches and everything
but that was too much
but they just approved $280k for us to wire up a temporary parking lot for camera coverage and stuff while a parking garage is built :)
buy second hand
ebay probably has a lot of UPSs
i'd rather just buy a conex container full of 1000VA rackmount ups' and dump them in the fountain
the flywheels are neat though
http://vyconenergy.com/pq/pages_pq/pqprod.htm
well, the packet loss + latency thing is back in full force again. seeing a 30ms differential between ae10-50g.cr1.lax2.us.nlayer.net and ge0-arpnet.cust.lax07.mzima.net
gizmo
and 10-15% pkt loss
haha
ok sending mail
you know that some people do actually advocate buying laptops for servers
worst idea ever :/
mercutio: you're too late, i already bought 60 at his advice
they'll be here friday
s/at/on
<m0unds> mercutio: you're too lone, i already bought 60 on his advice
hahahah
lone
oh i tried smokeping last night
i should check it
yep :/
http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Local.unixcube
oh that was to comcast
yeah
and yeah via verizon to comcast no loss
like /no/ loss
today, and loss yesterday
acf_: i've got a 30ms differential between ntt and comcast, and a 30ms differential between arp and nlayer
ntt vs verizon forward route
level3 return route
so yeah it's ntt's forward path that sucks most likely
arp and nlayer could be about return path too
just hard to diagnose
haha
if you look at the mtr for ARP -> Comcast
i'm doing both now
the packet loss/latency clearly starts right between NTT and Comcast
yeah, there's a hop w/no rdns
wow that's some sucky packet loss
the whois says Comcast
yup
well ntt aren't going to help
it soundedl ike :/
I know. I just want to see what they say
if they'll tell me if it's peering again this time
need lots of people cmoplaining really
complaining
not even sure if that will help
yeah might not
I'm sure they *want* to fix it
it probably helps if you pay them money
just Comcast, etc... is being unreasonable / they're being unreasonable
mercutio: :D
did you try complaining to comcast as well?
no. I just figure I'll get the Verizon-type response
I like to walk the line of ironic
well anyway i'm vonvinced that if the outbound path gets fixed it'll be a lot better
based on changing outbound path on my nz host: http://202.49.71.24:24/smokeping/smokeping.fcgi?target=other.comcastnet
http://pastebin.com/xrywYeLq
and it going to 0 loss
when it didn't go via ntt
it had like 4 bad days
and some in between stuff before that
http://paste.unixcube.org/k/91504f
with visible loss
that nlayer to mzima hop is return path most likely
nlayer and mzima are the same company
one side is arp's, if i was to bet i'd say lax07 = arp switch 07
s7.lax.arpnetworks.com
that's the new server i think
and s1 is the old
s/server/router/
<mercutio> that's the new router i think
I would think that lax07 would be controlled by nlayer/mzima
just guessing that particular hop is probably the mzima port
oh ok
could be wrong
yeah that's almost definitely s7.lax.arpnetworks.com
it would definitely explain the packet loss
if the return path was via ntt
and just because it's so odd, http://pastebin.com/xABATfn9
that is on the same VM, just a different IP addr
but the path to it is completely different
haha
abq -> denver -> sjc -> lax -> arp
vs abq -> lax -> arp
hmm strange
Comcast's paths seem to change a lot
at one point I was going through Chicago
well basically up_the_irons can complain to ntt himself, or can maek exception to not wanting to route around issues.
but I'm in CA
I don't think NTT can do anything even if up_the_irons complains
yeah, it seems like that particular path bw comcast and ntt is hot
just oversubscribed or something
it's been hot in the past too
it looked like i started monitoring it in march, so i imagine it's march when we discussed last
at least it's not tata
tata is comcast's cesspool for traffic
arp traffic used to go via NTT <-> TATA <-> Comcast
I think
it used to be nlayer both directions for me
i wonder if routes are being advertised to level3 yet
level3 looking glass traceroute says no
i found a comcast looking glass last night
but it was in canada
oh cool
at least it's on their asn
i didn't even know that comcast was in canada
I didn't either
Verizon hasn't responded to my request for looking glass :(
http://www.comcast.com/peering/
Dear Verizon Enterprise Solutions Customer,
We have received your correspondence and forwarded it to the appropriate personnel for processing.
that's cool
oh, here you go
telnet://route-server.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net
^ looking glass
haha
oh boo
authenticated
haha
actually, rviews is the username, no pw
http://pastebin.com/H0K9vMDw
only route is via NTT?
I don't know how to read those...
4436 is nlayer
oh ok I didn't look up the AS
so, only route out is via nlayer
does that mean NTT peers only one way?
that doesn't make sense
well, from comcast's perspective, nlayer is the preferred route to arp
which we can see when we traceroute from comcast to an arp address
ok, right
haha, nice, ntt is using juniper gear
yeah, they use some fun load balancers too
ping ntt.net and see if you notice anything strange
just saw the junos syntax in their lg when i had it show me bgp
haha, funny
dupe responses
yup
i get why they'd only return terse output, but i think that also makes them jerks
so, Verizon and Comcast are doing the paid peering thing
and NTT is refusing to cooperate?
comcast makes lots of stipulations for settlement-free peering - you have to have a big network with reasonable route announcements, you have to receive as much as you send, etc
ntt are probably in that situation
ntt is tier 1 i think
they're not meant to pay
yeah
think is cogent is huge
and is tier 2
level3 payed up I think
it gets messy
that cogent HE ipv6 peering thing is still a problem
it doesn't erally matter if it's paid or free peering
it's whether links are congested or not
it seems to them it matters :)
from an operational rather than political pov
yeah
i am actually pro paid peering
i just think it should be at reasonable cost
as whenever things are free people don't take them as seriously
it seems like the idea of settlement-free peering requires that the traffic ratios be roughly equal
because both sides would be paying each other the same amount
well it depends
i mean for big transit providers they should
normally sender pays
right
so if you transmit 200 megabit/sec and receive 100 megabit/sec
how much shuold you pay?
50% of your transmit volume?
and say you want to be able to send 2000 megabit/sec
and so you want to have aggregated ethernet or 10 gigabit
how much shoudl you pay
i imagine paid peering for 2 gigabit on 10 gigabit is around $1000/month or more
but i could be wrong
that doesn't seem unreasonable
for NTT who has big bucks to spend on that sort of thing
but if it is that kind of cost
than people shoudl be able to justify it
unless people want to cost it out at ilke $10,000/month
but
if you're only transmitting 200 megabit normally it's hard to justify
so say instead it's 200 megabit average, but 800 megabit peak
during the evenings
on a gigabit link
as soon as any link fails, that traffic would instead go over that link
you're screwwed
but the cost goes up generally going above 1gigabit
leaving either upgrading to 10 gigabit, or doubling up gigabit link
s
or rerouting traffic
but if the other link was only peaking at 300 megabit in evings
it might have been culled
because it wasn't worthwhile
but of course that puts more pressure on the first link
of course don't know all the details, but it's a complicated problem
just it seems like network quality would be more important than a few dollars to NTT and the like
and the simplest solution is to way overprovision
so if your peak traffic is over 500 megabit
and most effective I would imagine
then you should have another link
if you have two gigabit links, that peak at over 1 gigabit combined, you shoudl have a third link etc
but basically the way internet changes are moving towards is make it cheaper to go for 10 gigabit
s/changes/exchanges/
<mercutio> but basically the way internet exchanges are moving towards is make it cheaper to go for 10 gigabit
do the Tier 1 providers still use gigabit links at all?
because that also reduces impact of ddos attacks.
for interconnect
if it says ge in a traceroute it's one gigabit
if it says xe it's 10 gigabit
like is NTT <-> Verizon/Comcast really gigabit?
in juniper speaker
it's 10 gigabit i think
te is cisco 10 gigabit
my mtrs all say ae
which is aggregated
ae is hard to know
it's juniper aggregated ethernet
yeh
it could be either
more likely gigabit though?
well it means it's at least 2 gigabit or at least 20 gigabit
hard to know
would they have more than 10 gigabit?
could do
40 gigabit is common now
wow
what is he
comcast are using he and te
i imagine he is moer than 10 gigabit
I think it's old 10 gigabit interfaces
http://t1rex.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/comcasts-100-gbps-core-network-supports.html
so comcast is shifting from 40 to 100 gigabit
with multiple links probably
what
he-      100 Gigabit Ethernet (Cisco)
hmm i think denver can go la->phoenix>denver
or la->sj>denver
yeah anyway, ntt talk to comcast at 10 gigabit
or come into their netowrk at 10 gigbit
it's hard to know
so Verizon still likely uses SONET/OC-192 for their backbone?
arp talks to ntt at gigabit
yeah, I see that in the mtr
verizon do internationally i'm pretty sure
i imagine they have lots of legacy gear
and it doesn't make sense to update it
why would it make sense for Comcast and not Verizon?
because comcast have national gear not international?
their network is newer/less established
I guess
and their users mostly talk to netflix etc :/
verizon also have slas
with regards to latency, packet loss etc.
which sonet makes it easier to maange
but can they really stay with 10 gigabit forever?
10 gigabit is heaps
I suppose
but as you said, other networks are going 40/100 gigabit
just becasue it's 10 gigabit doesn't mean it's only one 10 gigabit
and 10 gigabit interconnects between cities are probably normally fine
comcast is the biggest provider int eh US afaik
but even in NZ there's one provider doing 100 gigabit
because they don't suck nearly as bad as Verizon
the thing is how much is 100 gigabit
is it the same there?
like comcast seem to have 100 gigabit between san jose and denver
the dominate provider is dominate because their service doesnt suck?
i imagine most cities are 10 gigabit though
we have this regulated deregulation system
uhh
the country sold the telephone network
then they imposed limits of them
then the telephone company split in to two companies
and one of them is wholesale and one is consumer
and the wholesale seels to the consumer
within the two split companies
and then the government is paying money to different companies to build their own fibre networks
which impact the only cable company here
the cable company bought out the third biggest provider or something
can't copy / paste because im on a tablet, but comcast's own ibone backbone is still relatively new, so the comparison of vz w legacy gear vs comcast's new network is an apt one
so now there are two major companies with cellphone/broadband.
they used to rely on at&t for coast to coast stuff
but there are lots of smaller companies too
yaeh i imagine verizon has a lot of legacy cruft
didn't uunet go bust?
and was bailed out by government?
they are verizon
now
then acquired by verizon?
yep
so-2-1-0-0.DFW03-CORE-RTR1.veriz
mtr verizon.net
companies that go bust often have more legavy stuff prior :)
as there's less desire to invest in modernising
and companies that are bought
well people don't understand :)
lots of staff leave etc
management dilemas etc
it's really common to have billnig issues when companies are bought out
and billing systems always take ages to integrated
-d
verizon seems like a giant stew of bought up telecoms
that has no desire to integrate its components
haha
joy
or do anything other than mainain the status quo
is cox good?
and get out of the landline and dsl market
I've heard it is
it's just not anywhere that comcast is?
it doesn't tend to have the peering congestion we see on Comcast and Verizon
right
it's a regional monopoly thing
because it's like a drug cartel, and they can't compete.
did i show you guys the youtube video
don't think so
https://t.co/wD3MiiXOSM
https://t.co/wD3MiiXOSM -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU
i thought it was humourous
@youtube fpbOEoRrHyU
<http://youtu.be/fpbOEoRrHyU> YouTube Entertainment: "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO): Net Neutrality" by LastWeekTonight (13m 18s), 2,856,851 views, 44,185 likes and 428 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-02T06:30:01.000Z.
but it did make it sound more interesting than lots of things
had to drop my ipv6 tunnel. congested enough that netflix was only hitting 1.5mbit/sec, haha
crap thats really not good
yea, typically i can max out my downstream (50mbps). meh.
via the tunnel, not w netflix
nutflix lol
right
heh
he does make it sound more interesting than most people
netflix would do whatever their usual max bitrate is. 8-15mbit or so
there's an la weekly editorial that tears apart his whole argument
oh well. bbl.
m0unds: where?
acf: what do you think of it?
almost done. but it's awesome
yeah
it's not that deep but it's accessible
mercutio: Not very high but it is good enough for me :)
anisfarhana: ahh you watched it too
i cant find the obnoxious one, but i think i had the sites mixed up. there was one at latimes.com that provided a little extra detail
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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-john-oliver-gets-net-neutrality-wrong-20140604-story.html
this was the milder one. i saw the other one at work, but cant remember where
mercutio: You don't want me to watch it? :(
nah you can watch it
i just thought acf was the only one who did :)
uhh newegg is considering bitcoin?
hmm, i notice t.co is on level3 but it seems to be on ntt too, and i noticed arp seems to have really high pings to it for some reason
whats at 1.1.1.1 or supposed to live there?