#arpnetworks 2014-06-06,Fri

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Who	What	When
mercutio	yeah i know but there are politics involved... if it's not tweaking every little site but only the bigger providers then it's simpler config wise and if it's that the as path length is the same for both, it could hop randomly if the weight is the same	[01:03]
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m0unds	up_the_irons: 14.04 here, but mine are in enforce mode	[06:25]
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acf_	up_the_irons: fwiw, I emailed the NTT NOC a long time ago idk if you've seen it http://paste.unixcube.org/k/bb55b1	[10:22]
m0unds	... http://dogeon.org/	[10:33]
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acf_	it seems that the return path of level3 (level3 -> arp) goes through gblx and trit http://paste.unixcube.org/k/e0c7ac mercutio: I would think that since ARP and level3 are peered that it wouldn't go through trit	[12:46]
m0unds	acf_: i've seen people mention that it's only outbound l3 right now http://pastebin.com/k3meCyuJ acf_ - from a couple days ago	[12:51]
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acf_	cool, thanks, didn't see that	[12:53]
m0unds	sure thing, had to dig through my buffer to find it. wondered if i'd just imagined seeing it :)	[12:54]
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brycec	I too recall up_the_irons stating it's outbound only now, that ARP isn't yet announcing. A nice gradual turn-up	[13:06]
m0unds	http://urbanvivant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/turnip.jpg yay. my headphone amp was repaired and is on its way back to me. onboard audio makes me sad	[13:13]
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up_the_irons	m0unds: turns out i had the security driver set to "none" in the config; so commenting that out fixed the prob acf_: i haven't announced our routes to level3 yet it's all outbound oh, all you guys already said outbound... up_the_irons needs to read more scrollback before responding	[15:06]
staticsafe	:)	[15:09]
up_the_irons	acf_: read your email; so i take it Verizon didn't respond when you contacted them?	[15:10]
m0unds	up_the_irons: ah, gotcha up_the_irons: noticed any difference in CPU load on the updated hosts?	[15:16]
up_the_irons	slightly lower	[15:17]
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brycec	I was working to counter that last night with a git-gc on a 1.5GB repo... Then again, i'm not on an updated host yet	[16:23]
up_the_irons	haha	[16:37]
acf_	up_the_irons: yep. basically Verizon won't talk to you unless you're a transit customer or something that's been my experience with them anyway	[16:39]
up_the_irons	aholes	[16:39]
acf_	yeah I don't think they could/would have told me any more than NTT anyway though	[16:40]
mercutio	up_the_irons: how do the as path lengths compare with verizon/comcast/etc?	[16:42]
up_the_irons	mercutio: as path lengths of what?	[16:43]
mercutio	i do wonder if a lot are the samw verizon ip's umm whatrever acf is tracing to comcast.net is a good comcast example apparently i can't remember acf's traceroute site :)	[16:43]
acf_	http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.verizon-lsanca	[16:44]
mercutio	that's a router verizon.net you shouldn't really make assumptions about routers cos of deprioritisation etc	[16:44]
acf_	verizon.net actually takes a different return path	[16:45]
mercutio	hmm	[16:45]
acf_	if you look at the last 360 days graph	[16:45]
mercutio	but yeah i do wonder if as path length is the same hmm i have some verizon ip i'm smokepinging from nz	[16:45]
acf_	acf_ goes to plug in DSL modem	[16:46]
mercutio	hmm there's loss atm	[16:48]
acf_	there's always loss	[16:48]
mercutio	from arp but not from nz	[16:48]
acf_	yep oh	[16:48]
mercutio	yeah from nz it's going via alter.net which is verizon right?	[16:48]
acf_	yep what is going via alter.net?	[16:48]
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mercutio	from my home oh sweet kvr15 update is happening :) i wonder whose ip this was ae-0.verizonbusiness.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net the packet loss seems to start there	[17:08]
acf_	same from arp	[17:13]
mercutio	this is from arp from home there's no loss :)	[17:15]
acf_	ah, ok	[17:15]
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mus1cb0x	how can i find out if my vps has acpi enabled?	[17:40]
mercutio	i think they all do unless it's dos or something what OS?	[17:40]
mus1cb0x	fbsd 9.2	[17:41]
mercutio	in openbsd it shows up in dmesg yeh that should be fine did you get emailed too? :)	[17:41]
mus1cb0x	yeh i guess we're server brothers	[17:42]
mercutio	heh	[17:42]
up_the_irons	LOL	[17:42]
mercutio	he did say he was doing two servers	[17:42]
mus1cb0x	i'm on 14	[17:43]
up_the_irons	i'm actually doing three now	[17:43]
mercutio	im'm on 15 oh	[17:43]
up_the_irons	i have some extra time next week, so might as well bust out the upgrades	[17:43]
mercutio	up_the_irons: is it getting easier?	[17:43]
mus1cb0x	14 > 15	[17:43]
m0unds	neighbors then	[17:43]
up_the_irons	mercutio: it IS actually.. last few upgrades have went very smoothly, even faster than my estimated time in the maint advisory	[17:43]
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mercutio	i always overestimate times myself just in case anything goes wrong and because i usually underestimate by default	[17:44]
up_the_irons	yeah	[17:44]
mercutio	we can't use virtio until there's a knob though right? well without manual support request	[17:44]
mus1cb0x	you can modify the host OS without it affecting the disk partitions of the vpss?	[17:45]
mercutio	mus1cb0x: that's normal for virtualisation hosts. the two are disconnected	[17:47]
mus1cb0x	i wonder how deep you can nest that before things go weird imaging a tight loop programmatically creating nested guest environments	[17:48]
m0unds	some will run openvz inside kvm qemu	[17:48]
mercutio	ad infinitium i imagine	[17:48]
mus1cb0x	you could send a chinese hacker into a mirrorverse of insanity	[17:48]
mercutio	you'd probably run out of memory though	[17:49]
m0unds	the extra hw abstraction can help you work around bad hw support in kernels compatible w/openvz	[17:49]
mercutio	qemu doesn't need privileges for emulation it also supports non intel cpus	[17:49]
m0unds	yes, i run qemu on an opteron server	[17:50]
mercutio	probably quite slowly. m0unds: no, i mean like it can run on powerpc etc and can emulate 68k etc	[17:50]
m0unds	oh, non x86	[17:50]
mercutio	xen is using qemu too but qemu is actually supporeting lots of weird stuff, it's damn cool in a way	[17:51]
m0unds	not a big fan of xen-pv	[17:51]
mus1cb0x	bhyve is getting some nice upgrades this summer	[17:52]
mercutio	xen has a whole lot of new modes now like hybrid stuff modern cpus are not so quick in pv mode	[17:52]
m0unds	yeah, but lots of hosts that run xen environments won't run w/hvm or whatever	[17:52]
mercutio	yeah there's somethign in between too	[17:52]
m0unds	so you're stuck with linux or obnoxiously unstable bsd	[17:52]
mercutio	which is better well yeh i chose arp becauase of kvm and openbsd err kvm and ipv6	[17:52]
m0unds	yep	[17:53]
mercutio	because i wanted to run openbsd	[17:53]
mus1cb0x	by openbsd i assume you mean freebsd	[17:53]
m0unds	right	[17:53]
mercutio	i don't use ipv6 though	[17:53]
mus1cb0x	;>	[17:53]
mercutio	oh location was theo ther reason	[17:53]
mus1cb0x	haha	[17:54]
mercutio	i'm in new zealand, los angeles and san jose are the only two fsat places from here really	[17:54]
m0unds	i have a silly amount of unused referral credit w/another provider that i won't use until i can get bsd stable in their env	[17:54]
mercutio	well low latency i've run freebsd on xen fwiw	[17:54]
m0unds	it runs fine in hvm	[17:55]
mercutio	and openbsd on vmware it runs in pv mode too	[17:55]
m0unds	it's terrible in xen-pv when your only option is pvgrub to bootstrap bsd it's awful	[17:55]
mercutio	but it runs better in hvm mode i was using pygrub i think? it was on opensolaris which doesn't have pvgrub , and is xen 3.4 oh having it's own cp is good too i am kind of anti solusvm	[17:55]
m0unds	yeah, solusvm is awful the way it handles assigning ipv6 addresses is hilarious you don't get a routable /64 or whatever, you get X number of addresses so...8 or 16 or whatever the host chooses	[17:57]
mus1cb0x	mercutio: i'd like to visit nz some day m0unds: sounds very mcdonalds	[17:59]
mercutio	mus1cb0x: heh m0unds: it's also got lots of funky mysql and iptables stuff if you want to do thigns like limit people to their own ip it's complicated by solusvm getting in the way with iptables which means most solusvm hosts allow spoofing most are just huge bridge domains too so you get arps for a whole lot of random ip's	[18:01]
acf_	Comcast cable kind of does the same thing you see lots of arps for random IPs	[18:09]
mercutio	can you spoof?	[18:09]
m0unds	i think that's just the nature of cable networks	[18:10]
acf_	no	[18:10]
m0unds	no	[18:10]
mercutio	how many /24s is it?	[18:10]
acf_	well, my netmask is /24	[18:10]
mercutio	cable network in nz overloaded	[18:10]
acf_	and if I try to ping things in the same /24	[18:10]
mercutio	and routers couldn't handle the number of arp requests there was no standard router provided	[18:10]
acf_	the cable network gateway will spoof its mac address for the ARP replies	[18:11]
mercutio	but it meant lots of people's internet died completely in evening yeah i had /24 on cable it was nice that you could just plug it into a pc	[18:11]
acf_	same with Verizon DSL here kind of	[18:12]
mercutio	set an ip and gateway and you were off verizon is vdsl now right?	[18:12]
acf_	except Verizon caches your MAC address for DHCP, so you can't change computers without calling them first or spoofing the MAC of course	[18:12]
mercutio	with some shitty router that everyone puts their own one after	[18:12]
acf_	no, ADSL 2	[18:12]
mercutio	oh weird i'm sure i had a friend who went comcast -> verizon -> comcast comcast was higher latency apparently	[18:12]
acf_	that's kind of hard to believe	[18:13]
mercutio	and only like 30 megabit he was in kansas	[18:13]
acf_	Verizon DSL sucks crap	[18:13]
m0unds	i think vz can offer vdsl2 if you're close to their gear	[18:13]
mercutio	oh	[18:13]
m0unds	like..sub 1000ft loop length	[18:13]
mercutio	i meant verizon was oops sorry!	[18:13]
acf_	I'm less than that from their CO	[18:13]
mercutio	and comcast was 50 megabit i think?	[18:13]
m0unds	old dslams maybe in that facility where in the US are you?	[18:13]
acf_	central coast of california 93455 old GTE territory	[18:14]
m0unds	huh, weird - business i used to work at had vdsl service in huntington beach area ca	[18:14]
mercutio	heh i have friend in san jose, and he said comcast was pretty bad but it's basically comcast or at&t i suppose comcast is better than at&t	[18:14]
m0unds	comcast is in the middle of doubling residential speeds again	[18:15]
acf_	at least they actually upgrade their network sometimes	[18:15]
mercutio	he has heaps of jitter and really high pings to cogent it's about 50 msec pings to san jose from san jose over cogent	[18:15]
acf_	peering congestion you think?	[18:16]
mercutio	this was a while ago	[18:16]
m0unds	the routing is probably goofy	[18:16]
mercutio	before the netflix peering routing looked fine it's probably the netflix/cogent/comcast dispute	[18:16]
m0unds	wouldn't have surprised me if it went SJC>LAX>Cogent>SJC or something	[18:16]
mercutio	for some reasno people call it the netflix issue but it affects other traffic too	[18:17]
acf_	my mtr to cogentco.com: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/efacc8	[18:17]
mercutio	nah it didn't	[18:17]
m0unds	yeah	[18:17]
mercutio	it did over 3mb/sec to los angeles though on 25 megabit plan mci ok it wasn't that broken	[18:17]
m0unds	hahaha	[18:18]
mercutio	i've seen that from cogent to at&t oh that's to cogent's website try sj.meh.net.nz	[18:18]
acf_	via nlayer	[18:19]
mercutio	oh	[18:19]
acf_	http://paste.unixcube.org/k/ea49f6	[18:19]
mercutio	ok that's bbetter it was going via comcast before	[18:19]
m0unds	cogent denver pop -> albuquerque, nm (460mi) is 55ms	[18:19]
mercutio	maybe they stopped sending via cogent when netflix paid money	[18:19]
m0unds	cogent LAX pop -> albuquerque = 27ms 800mi	[18:20]
mercutio	hmm that ping is still kind of high though what do you get to arp?	[18:20]
m0unds	28ms	[18:21]
mercutio	he got lower ping than that to arp	[18:21]
acf_	http://paste.unixcube.org/k/7cabf5	[18:21]
mercutio	i don't really know what santamaria is he was in santa clara?	[18:21]
acf_	right next to santa barbara	[18:21]
mercutio	but they prob not close	[18:21]
acf_	right in the middle of lax and sfo	[18:21]
m0unds	nice area of ca	[18:21]
mercutio	oh	[18:22]
acf_	my Verizon traffic goes via lax	[18:22]
m0unds	i've spent a fair amount of time in ventura & carpinteria for work	[18:22]
mercutio	so the issue is that there's no peering there and it has to go to sj/la or both	[18:22]
acf_	and my Comcast trafic goes via sj yeah	[18:22]
mercutio	weird google says santa marisa is in crazil santa maria brazil i can't type	[18:22]
m0unds	http://binged.it/1i9ZuWW	[18:23]
BryceBot	http://binged.it/1i9ZuWW -> https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=Santa Maria, CA&form=LMLTSN&cp=34.95372009277341~-120.4355697631836&lvl=12&sty=r&encType=1	[18:23]
mercutio	oh i see where it is now that does look nice it looks samll though	[18:23]
m0unds	i like that area of ca a lot	[18:24]
acf_	it's pretty nice :)	[18:24]
m0unds	last time i went was last june, it was 65 every day so nice	[18:24]
mercutio	does it rain there?	[18:24]
acf_	we're in a pretty bad drought right now so not much	[18:24]
mercutio	that's the most disturbing thing about california to me	[18:25]
acf_	yeah, it is pretty bothersome it was a lot better some years ago	[18:25]
mercutio	wow it rains over 100 times more here than there	[18:26]
m0unds	a good friend of mine used to work for the UCSB NOC a few years back	[18:26]
mercutio	1,212.4 inches per year, compared to 14.01 inches per year	[18:27]
m0unds	haha	[18:27]
mercutio	so yeah it seems a ltitle disoncerting :)	[18:27]
acf_	http://goo.gl/Bw1jei the local CO	[18:27]
BryceBot	http://goo.gl/Bw1jei -> https://www.google.com/maps/@34.883954,-120.418628,3a,75y,91.38h,85.04t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scvaM7PWqCG7UQ9E4kfPquQ!2e0	[18:27]
m0unds	wait.. 1,212 inches = 100ft of rain	[18:27]
mercutio	northern california rains more?	[18:27]
m0unds	haha	[18:27]
mercutio	tahts' per year	[18:27]
m0unds	mm wikipedia shows inches in parenthesis 1212.4mm	[18:28]
mercutio	oh it's precipitation vs rainfall is that the same thing	[18:28]
m0unds	yes the parenthesis is 47.732"	[18:28]
mercutio	oh i fucked up didn't i yes	[18:28]
m0unds	backwards, lol	[18:28]
mercutio	they swapped it aruond	[18:29]
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mercutio	i was trying to use inches for US audience :/	[18:29]
m0unds	yeah, i think because you're metric and we're lame	[18:29]
mercutio	sorry well i expected wikipedia to be constant ok that difference isnt' so bad it's just 4x as much	[18:29]
m0unds	we get 9.45 in/yr	[18:30]
mercutio	i'd rather 14 :/	[18:30]
m0unds	you and i both	[18:30]
mercutio	i dunno	[18:30]
m0unds	haha	[18:30]
mercutio	haha	[18:30]
m0unds	i'm also in the desert	[18:30]
mercutio	nice when i was younger i thought it'd be cool to get a job in the US but you need work visa and to work for one company for ages :/	[18:30]
m0unds	my house is at ~1800m above sea level	[18:31]
mercutio	my friend did it by shifting within the same company to a diff country but it ook him two attempts	[18:31]
m0unds	yeah, it's a pain	[18:32]
mercutio	there wsa some paperwork error or something	[18:32]
m0unds	i have a friend who's finishing up her fellowships in the US as a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and they're still not going to let her stay, she has to return to brazil at the end of the year	[18:32]
mercutio	and you can't fix it you have to wait until next year?	[18:32]
m0unds	yeah, it's a bureaucratic mess	[18:32]
mercutio	damn	[18:32]
m0unds	legal immigration into the us is gross	[18:33]
mercutio	i wonder how he managed it	[18:33]
m0unds	another friend got married in canada, and it took 6 months for his wife to legally immigrate to the US and ~$5k in attorney fees	[18:33]
mercutio	ouch he must have done it properly because he bought a house	[18:33]
m0unds	and hours upon hours at US consulates for meetings with immigration clerks and stuff	[18:33]
mercutio	apparently there's ths really exepensive grooming thing for houses when they sell and therew as like a video walk through and stuff that doesn't happen here at all but it was actualyl cheaper than i thought it'd be	[18:34]
m0unds	huh	[18:34]
mercutio	they show this video of the house going through all the rooms with music and panning	[18:34]
m0unds	hahaha, yeah, i've seen that before	[18:35]
mercutio	and everything looks so neat and tidy and sterile	[18:35]
m0unds	yeah, they "stage" the house sometimes they do it empty, sometimes they rent furniture and set it up so you can get an idea of what it'd look like if you lived there	[18:35]
mercutio	oh that's the term yes	[18:37]
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m0unds	oh, great my smokeping graph looks like acf_'s verizon one hahaha yeah, seeing roughly 2x the latency at this hop 10. ge0-arpnet.cust.lax07.mzima.net looks like it's been like this daily since the 3rd	[20:38]
staticsafe	https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/475023041106169856 :O	[20:45]
BryceBot	TWITTER: looking good for a Waterson and Mattherson merge. (Fri Jun 06 21:14:53 +0000 2014, retweeted 50 times)	[20:45]
mnathani	did anyone not on kvr15 get a maintenance announcement for kvr15 ?	[20:57]
milki	i didnt notice anything	[21:04]
mercutio	kvr14 is goiung down too and somethjing else	[21:04]
acf_	m0unds: mind revealing the source destination network/host? /s/source destination/source/	[21:15]
mercutio	(i'm on kvr15 so don't know if they all say that)	[21:17]
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acf_	m0unds are you on Comcast? http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Local.phoenix that is rather upsetting crap now comcast <-> nlayer is bad... or is it comcast <-> ntt? my forward path is via nlayer and return is via ntt from Comcast's perspective hmm if you're seeing loss at ge0-arpnet.cust.lax07.mzima.net it makes me think ntt because ntt becomes the return path at that hop	[21:35]
	definitely NTT: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/65f903	[21:52]
m0unds	sorry, was commuting home - i'm on comcast biz it's nlayer inbound from comcast -> arp and return path is via ntt and i think it's ntt it stops being problematic at precisely midnight mdt	[22:01]
acf_	more peering problems I assume...	[22:05]
m0unds	guessing so starts at the same time ends at the same time	[22:05]
acf_	I'll email NTT again not that it'll help any	[22:05]
m0unds	are you seeing this stuff starting at around 1530ish PDT? it starts for me at 1630 mdt, ends at midnight +/- 5minutes	[22:06]
acf_	yepyep http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?epoch_start=1402038000;hierarchy=;epoch_end=1402124340;target=Local.phoenix;displaymode=n;start=2014-06-06%2000%3A00;end=2014-06-06%2023%3A59;Generate%21=Generate%21	[22:07]
m0unds	mine's just as smooth before that too, haha very little jitter	[22:07]
acf_	I've been noticing problems with voip lately probably that	[22:08]
m0unds	ugh	[22:09]
acf_	up_the_irons: maybe you should see this	[22:09]
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	strange Level3 appears to have a shorter AS path to Comcast than NTT http://paste.unixcube.org/k/83497d vs http://paste.unixcube.org/k/6f24b0 or it's the same... I think I misread but Level3 looks like NTT when it's congestion-free	[22:26]
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mercutio	acf: i found something from last year on google with ntt/verizon :/ it's probably the same	[23:02]
acf_	meaning the issue has been ongoing for at least a year?	[23:02]
mercutio	that's not as path the AS path should end in 7922 with the network prior, like 3356 appearing where 3356 is level3 like i can see routes for 701 and 3356 can't see what arp sees :/	[23:02]
acf_	hmm ok	[23:04]
mercutio	and 701/703 is verizon need a looking glass well don't need, but would mean coudl see what they see hmm so verizon have 703 and 701 in the AS Path and level 3 just has 3356 but it's interesting that it's both comcast and verizon having issues i wonder if they're working together because they both had netflix issues too in a similar fashion	[23:05]
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