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you have a strange alias m0unds: hahaha ***: novae has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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Oh, the KILLALLHUMANS01 nick
I have some great nicks... staticsafe: heh brycec: A few of my other favourites: IM_AWESOME the_cheat Always_Batman lpr0 ***: brycec is now known as lpr -: lpr on fire ***: lpr is now known as lpr0 -: lpr0 on fire lpr0: there we go ***: lpr0 is now known as brycec RandalSchwartz: my nick is boring :) milki: lolol up_the_irons: so Ubuntu is going to systemd just like Debian, fml m0unds: haha
it's not that bad up_the_irons: binary logs? can't even tail shit without a tool. no thanks
bloat bloat bloat
it's like GRUB
i just wanna fucking boot my machine, and you (grub) make it so difficult because you tried to tackle every other fucking problem on earth, making it horrible just to boot my system
if i want to boot a FreeBSD system, it's "fdisk -BI ad0" and CALL IT A DAY. it works as intended. *nix philosophy, do one simple thing and do it right m0unds: it appears as though systemd still provides a socket to give you the ability to bind your syslogger to a socket and write logs to discrete files on disk vs the journal
i mean, it'll still write to the journal, but it'll also allow you to write to log files up_the_irons: see, reading that make me vomit a little in my mouth
*made m0unds: haha plett: up_the_irons: As a Linux user looking in on FreeBSD from the outside, it looks equally crazy. It has three distinct firewalls with incompatible syntaxes, and kernel modules and userland tools for all of them in the base image. m0unds: pf or gtfo up_the_irons: i understand what you're saying, but it so f'in overkill. it should not be necessary to jump through those hoops just to log in text. m0unds: retrieving a specific log from the journal isn't terribly painful though - journalctl -u nginx = nginx logs up_the_irons: plett: i thought everyone used pf... m0unds: yeah, i don't know anyone who uses bsd who doesn't use pf plett: up_the_irons: ipfw and ipf are also there and supported m0unds: ipfw back in the day maybe up_the_irons: yeah but who uses ipfw and ipf anymore? m0unds: pf is so well documented and designed, there's no reason not to use it
but if you want to, it's there up_the_irons: don't get me wrong, freebsd isn't immune to this problem; it's just less plett: And yes, pf is lovely
I've been told that the journald binary logging stuff isn't tightly tied to systemd, and that you can just run a good old syslogd instead up_the_irons: i c m0unds: is there any practical reason that iptables doesn't have ipv6 support built in vs using ip6tables?
i always use ufw or afp or whatever to manage iptables rules because i hate the syntax
s/afp/apf BryceBot: <m0unds> i always use ufw or apf or whatever to manage iptables rules because i hate the syntax staticsafe: I suppose now is a bad time to link this - http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd brycec: ha
One nice thing about the journal, up_the_irons et al, is that it makes it easy to pull specific timeframes. staticsafe: indeed up_the_irons: ah that is indeed useful m0unds: i like the boot logging functionality - you can query current boot, previous boot, boot prev to that, etc staticsafe: linux has a new netfilter API called nftables, apparently the syntax is quite nicer m0unds: ah staticsafe: http://netfilter.org/projects/nftables/ plett: staticsafe: I read through some of the example syntax a while ago, it's still nowhere near as nice as pf staticsafe: yeah
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nftables certainly much nicer than iptables though brycec: <3 pf syntax, soooooo readable :D m0unds: that's junos-ish up_the_irons: i never use iptables directly, always through ferm. <3 ferm
tree-based rules, basically staticsafe: http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ interesting up_the_irons: i've used it for years m0unds: oh, that's neat up_the_irons: looks like nftables has a tree-like syntax too staticsafe: yeah -: brycec lazies out and uses ufw for his iptables systems m0unds: brycec: that's what i use most of the time -: staticsafe doesn't have any firewall rules on his VMs m0unds: HERESY staticsafe: other than the occasional DROP rule for some abuser brycec: I didn't used to either, just kept services listening on the right ports. But then there were some services I couldn't configure quite like that staticsafe: like mysql? :P
RouterOS firewall sytax is a bit weird but consistent with the rest of the system m0unds: yea, it's not bad to manage staticsafe: add action=log chain=forward comment="Filter port 25 outbound" dst-address=::/0 dst-port=25 log-prefix=SMTPOUTBOUND protocol=tcp src-address=::/0 m0unds: they finally stopped doing stupid shit like changing syntax between releases and things brycec: staticsafe: nah mysql is easy to bind to an interface, or not bind at all (socket only) staticsafe: ah brycec: (can't remember what it was though... oh well) staticsafe: Cisco IOS ACLs ugh m0unds: yuck
yay, lightning dne: up_the_irons: re: grub - try syslinux (or extlinux) instead up_the_irons: i c -: dne uses it even w/ freebsd dne: e.g. to multiboot between root-on-ZFS and mfsbsd: https://gist.github.com/dne/1054313 BryceBot: Gist: "Multi-boot FreeBSD w/ ZFS root on a GPT partitioned disk using Syslinux" m0unds: dne: that's cool mercutio: i like ferm too RandalSchwartz: tomorrow... the big upgrade day
freebsd from 8.3 (EOL) to 8.4 (supported for another year)
perl from 5.10(!) to 5.16
pkg to pkgng
thank goodness for snapshots :) m0unds: good luck mnathani: up_the_irons: did you go with the i5 or i7 T520 up_the_irons: i5
i7's were hard to find actually mnathani: whats the screen resolution?
1080p or lower? staticsafe: 1600x900
15" T520 here mnathani: well, atleast its widescreen m0unds: i miss the prevalence of 16:10 displays ***: dj_goku has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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