mercutio: hmm doesn't seem kvr15 hjas yet
has up_the_irons: not yet
Hivelocity says they fixed some stuff; those having problems should check now mercutio: ahh looks like it works now
thanks for emailing them up_the_irons: cool ***: nadeu has joined #arpnetworks nadeu: Hello
If i buy a VPS what is time for announce a /23? RandalSchwartz: are there that many ipv4 left in the world? :) nadeu: 91.235.40.0/23 :)
We awaiting for Moln.is support, but it's a shit. RandalSchwartz: send email to support@arpnetworks.com .. you should get a response within a day nadeu: Yeah, but we need to announce today :) RandalSchwartz: so you'd route your traffic here, and then tunnel to your real location? nadeu: Yeah
to our DC RandalSchwartz: why do you still have that many IPs?
are you doing SSL? nadeu: Nope, VirtualServers, and much more :) RandalSchwartz: so you'd effectively be competing with Arp?
good luck on that. :( nadeu: Nope, for private use :)
[admin@MANPepV-OW-CCR] > /tool traceroute arpnetworks.com use-dns=yes # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV STATUS 1 10.1.1.142 0% 4 3ms 2.9 2.1 3.3 0.5
http://pastebin.com/FKjRSGqv RandalSchwartz: why not just buy transit from he.net or something? nadeu: because we setup MPLS over EoIP
and we set-up an anycasted network
optimizing routes
per carriers and sources RandalSchwartz: sounds like that'd be hard to do if it was all tunneled through ARP nadeu: We have other tunnels
with Cogent, per example. kevr: hm.. hazardous: i would rather be interested in why you would want 200ms of latency on all traffic and what you would do with a /23 on a single vm for "virtual servers" RandalSchwartz: yeah - that's what confused me too
just buy transit on he.net or something
also the lack of planning of getting a /23 without also having a place to host it. :0 hazardous: i don't think this is the place for you
extlbwlarn.com has address 91.235.41.103
extlbwlarn.com mail is handled by 10 qioe103.extlbwlarn.com.
horasdqen.com has address 91.235.41.101
horasdqen.com mail is handled by 10 ztio101.horasdqen.com. RandalSchwartz: oh - bad company? hazardous: aszdubiosher.com has address 91.235.41.98
aszdubiosher.com mail is handled by 10 vyu98.aszdubiosher.com.
at least none of those look like anything i'd want to host
the entire 41.0/24 has domains that seem to be random smashing on keyboard RandalSchwartz: hmm. that smells.
I wonder if any of those IPs are in the spam RBLs
oh yeah... nice hits
... http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a91.235.41.98&run=toolpage hazardous: RandalSchwartz: http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence
swap 99 for 100, 101, etc in url
lol
there's spamtrapped stuff from even days ago ***: nadeu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) hazardous: and he's gone
it's more fun when people are less obvious about "i need a /23 TODAY, immediately, on a single vps" CaZe: What do you think he wanted it for? hazardous: i would have suggested dropping all mail ports for his vm probably
the /23 he listed is blacklisted by multiple, looks like it sends weight loss pill / diabeetes pills / DIY weight loss spam mike-burns: The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome. I can't imagine this happening on a VPS without a dedicated IRC channel. hazardous: i mean he can't even pull the "it was a long time ago and we forgot to get it fixed" - look at dates on http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence staticsafe: even SSL isn't a valid excuse for IPs anymore hazardous: you can cycle through like .70 to .100 and hit check evidence for all of them
they all have at best a few days old stuff RandalSchwartz: I bet he needed new hosting urgently to keep the money flowing brycec: Probably. And #arpnetworks asked too many questions, yay RandalSchwartz: well - right, who needs a /23 for a simple VPS brycec: I admit, sometimes I'm annoyed at having a /30... but I get over it (not worth $$ for more, plus I have a /48)
A whole damn /23 though... RandalSchwartz: I have a /28 for IPv4
and about 5 IPv6 /48's :) brycec: I knew a guy who ran a hosting company with a /24, and that was more than enough
My office has a /28 at least (and it's about 1 IP shy of what I need, but I make do with port forwarding)
I only have 3 /48's :/ up_the_irons: "@mike-burns | The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome."
i have to say, that is quite awesome
you guys rock
as a rule of thumb, whenever I hear, "i need something RIGHT NOW, can you do it?", it means they were just shit canned by their current provider and are down. i divert those away. staticsafe: yeah, good rule RandalSchwartz: it just smelled. smelled bad.
why bring a /23 of traffic here just to tunnel it somewhere else? up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: that's actually more common than you think; i have several VPS w/ BGP customers that do that, but for legit purposes mercutio: i reckon it's cool arp does bgp to vps's up_the_irons: many say they can't find it anywhere else brycec: If anyone was wondering about my shitty Internet issue... Turns out a server I'd recently been given and told "here, host this" was running unpatched NTP and contributing to a DDoS. :(
That on top of another known TWC issue (narrow tubes serving me) lead to extreme lag and packet loss.
And now I get to figure out why my traffic shaping didn't work as expected... I suspect because it was a flood of connections, rather than any one connection
Hey up_the_irons thanks again for the searchable channel logs. up_the_irons: np :) hazardous: <nadeu> because we setup MPLS over EoIP <nadeu> and we set-up an anycasted network
i'm reasonably sure that doesn't even make sense
at least for this situation mercutio: brycec: damn brycec: mercutio: yeah, i feel horrible about contributing :( mercutio: apparently snmp is being hit now days too hazardous: mercutio: i'm seeing some chargen too, it's really weird mercutio: what's chargen? brycec: mercutio: character generator mercutio: is that echo service? hazardous: obviously a protocol older than i am but i have literally no idea why there would be a daemon that just spews the ascii char set to you endlessly mercutio: yeh echo brycec: mercutio: like echo, except it just dumps characters at you without stop mercutio: it was a legacy thing for testing i imagine
oh real
wow brycec: Yeah think it was just testing
@wiki chargen mercutio: like iperf :) BryceBot: Character Generator Protocol :: The Character Generator Protocol (CHARGEN) is a service of the Internet Protocol Suite defined in RFC 864 in 1983 by Jon Postel. It is intended for testing, debugging, and measurement purposes. The protocol is rarely used, as its design flaws allow ready misuse. A host may connect to a server that supports the Character Generator Protocol on either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character%20Generator%20Protocol mercutio: in udp mode brycec: there is, testing, debugging, measurement
*there it is: hazardous: yeah, i can't imagine the amplification from responding to a single udp packet with "endlessly spewing characters" mercutio: i doubt anything is on fast links with it
but you never know
old unix of various kinds used to have heaps of telnet etc vulnerabilities hazardous: my friend runs a minecraft server (i don't play, but occasionally have to fix crap)
apparently some .edu's have printers with chargen running
that isn't really a slow link brycec: Go HP mercutio: but now days people seem to be more keen to ddos than hack hazardous: though i do want to know why the hell printers have outward internet public ips mercutio: well the majority brycec: hazardous: most printers have 10mbps links at least mercutio: i think hacking isn't "cool" any more mike-burns: That's a shame. hazardous: 2014 hacking: ex-gf left her facebook logged in -: brycec maintains his coolness brycec: truth, hazardous mercutio: hazardous: oh actually sthat stuff gets worse
people hacking gf's computers etc
think they might be cheating stick key logger on brycec: "omg I'm such a haxor!" mercutio: does anyone remember back orifice? mike-burns: Gone are the days of trying to get into the Gibson for fun. Now it's all about personal attacks. mercutio: that sounds dirty.
people used to use it to eject peoples cd trays etc
send it through in email usually hazardous: oh i have a weird question that's been in the back of my head for like a year
what's a "porn dialer"
i don't understand how those two words fit together, or what a dialer is mercutio: dials charge numbers.
of legit services to make extra money
using modem hazardous: but how?
voip? mercutio: nah
modem CaZe: A trojan that would make your modem dial 1-900 numbers. hazardous: i don't understand how that makes sense brycec: reverse phone charges, I assume mercutio: it's old school CaZe: POTS modem hazardous: don't most places auto block 900-* mercutio: there were also ones that rung expensive countries
not for home users normally brycec: Not to mention there are some phone exchanges that cost more mercutio: yeh brycec that happened too RandalSchwartz: 809 area code, for example mercutio: oh international RandalSchwartz: that's technically an international call
but it looks local hazardous: but.. computers don't come with POTS modems brycec: hazardous: they used to
hazardous: people used to dial-up for Internet access RandalSchwartz: ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_Dominican_Republic BryceBot: Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic :: Area code 809 redirects here. 809 once covered Bermuda and many islands in the Caribbean which have since been allocated their own codes; see Area codes in the Caribbean for more details. Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic use area code 809 with 829 and 849 as overlay codes. Telecommunications in the Dominican Republic use the North American Numbering Plan (NANP) country code, 1, followed b mercutio: haz: these things are dated brycec: And when they weren't connected, a virus could use the modem mercutio: was all the rage in 96 or something brycec: ^ hazardous: that's weird
why would the DR use +1 CaZe: I once made my friend's modem dial 911. mercutio: i was still running a bbs in 96
no net for me brycec: And with this retro/nostalgia, I'm going to go get lunch finally. RandalSchwartz: so people will get caller-id of 809 that doesn't leave message, call back, and by arrangement with DR phone company, get a portion of the LD charges
like a 900 call brycec: hazardous: because they're under the "north american numbering plan" CaZe: The police showed up at his door while he was sleeping. hazardous: did he get mad at you brycec: did he know it was you? ;p CaZe: I didn't tell him until much later. hazardous: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNELF1GCUAExynU.png:large CaZe: No, he didn't. mercutio: we used to have this interconnect thing here, where providers would pay each other for going between each other hazardous: i'm working on something that appears to have turned into this CaZe: I was actually trying to make it call his office during the day. mercutio: and most people were with the bigger provider mike-burns: Ha. mercutio: so isp's started using the smaller provider, and the smaller provider paid per minute of connected time. CaZe: So at work, he'd get a call from his house, and his phone number would show up on his caller id. mercutio: so they got cheap phone lines, and per minute credit. hazardous: man mercutio: which brought about free isp's too. CaZe: And he'd be like, "Who the fuck is in my house?" hazardous: the internet was bizarre in the early days
glad i wasn't alive then mercutio: it was like 2 cents a minute or something
not heaps but adds up hazardous: hours for a mp3 download is a completely foreign concept mercutio: it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous.
mp3's weren't around before 56k modems were common. hazardous: what was that thing people used long ago
uh
realplayer? CaZe: But it didn't work. mike-burns: MIDI? mercutio: people used realplayer. RandalSchwartz: that's how the "free phone forwarding" used to work mercutio: mod!
amiga mod files :)
often 300k or less for a song. hazardous: i don't understand the realplayer buffering joke either, i mean back then i would have assumed everything on earth would buffer the same amount CaZe: I thought it was because it was too many digits to fit in the exploit string. RandalSchwartz: made enough money being an (I think they called it) IXC that they paid for the equipment mike-burns: I had Metallica's "...And Justice for All" as MIDI files. CaZe: So I tried it with a shorter number -- 911. mercutio: mike-burns: there were heaps of versions of that RandalSchwartz: maybe it was ilc mercutio: oh there was also automated dialers that would ring every phone number sequentialyl to see if a modem was on the other end hazardous: back in the day we only had 6mbps adsl and we liked it! mercutio: but lots of people have phone numbers next to each other with multiple lines, so all their phones would ring soon after each other
and they'd get really pissy mike-burns: When I was 17 I left a FreeBSD computer connected to the Internet with anonymous FTP upload enabled. I learned a lesson real quickly. mercutio: and complain to phone company, who was never very useful about such things.
mike hah
when i was 17 there was a library with dialup catalogue
and friends had figured out that you could ^Z or such something and get lynx
and browse the net
at 14.4k
they only had 14.4k modem hazardous: mike-burns: porn or warez mercutio: the catalogue was really handy though mike-burns: warez, sadly. ***: gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) mercutio: mm i've been hearing lately that a whole lot of kids have got iphones etc now days.
even like 13 year olds etc. hazardous: what
EVERYONE at 13 has a smartphone
usually starts around grade 2-3 mercutio: but iphones? hazardous: yes mercutio: like expensive phones. hazardous: there is virtually no one at 13 without one
or they get mocked by everyone else
kids are terrible mercutio: it's pretty strange :)
i don't want to carry around a really expensive phone hazardous: usually the cheaper androids around age 8 or so mercutio: and i'm consdierably older than 13. hazardous: iphones start around maybe grade 5-6
iirc most of those baby push strollres also have ipad mounts now too mercutio: i've dropped phones multiple times.
they've been fine.
but i've heard about people droppign phones in toilets etc by accident
i prefer android anyway myself :/
not that i like it hazardous: i prefer android too
i remember my first phone as a kid was like android 1.6, and awful
gotten much better nowadays mercutio: but like i'm already starting to realise i'm going to struggle to keep up soon :) hazardous: i really don't use much as weird as it is mercutio: your first phone was a smart phone? hazardous: yeah
late primary school mike-burns: My first phone was a smart phone. I was 25. mercutio: i didn't even own a cellphone until 2001. hazardous: my phone now is basically a browser, ssh, remote desktop
i don't get why people would want to watch movies on a 5" screen mercutio: heh hazardous: so i don't really keep up with the biggest and best mercutio: it's the sound quality that would hold it back for me hazardous: cyanogenmod is a one-tap install when connected by usb, no screwing around needed
allows tethering too
now that major US carriers do DPI for tether traffic mercutio: i think i'm using cyanogenmod
or a fork hazardous: and will automatically charge per megabyte
or worse mercutio: i can't remember hazardous: i'm already paying for capped, x gb per month mercutio: i tried looking around more a bit later hazardous: and they want extra $40/m for tethering allow
fuck that mercutio: and thgen i remembered how much of a pita it was :/
android 4.3 didn't work with mic in skype or something
so i have to use android 4.2.2 hazardous: yeah, the new phones have the latest CM available via just outright play store pretty much mercutio: but it's getting to the point where i just don't care hazardous: that's mostly why i chose a specific phone
i don't want to run 30 exes with boot loaders and unlocking and modifying all that mercutio: i have a cheap ebay phone
i think it was $135 usd?
but it has flash
and fits in my existing car cradle
and has 2 day battery life. hazardous: in all seriousness though, if youre 13 and show up with a flip phone, you will be bullied and mocked until graduation by every other student
it's really messed up
that being said zero tolerance policies are dumb too mercutio: i can't remember how i unlocked, but i think there was some manufacturer bypass you could opt in to or something mike-burns: If you're 13, you're going to be bullied and mocked by other students. mercutio: (htc desire s) CaZe: Show up with a Zack Morris phone. hazardous: who's zack morris mercutio: when was 13 people used to trade warez on floppies CaZe: I knew you wouldn't get the reference.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgfcidcKLE1qh3qkyo1_500.jpg hazardous: the hell is that mercutio: oh god
not him CaZe: Only cool kids had cellphones back then. mercutio: he's from saved from the bell CaZe: Actually, people only had pagers.
Nobody had a cellphone. mercutio: i had a pager before i had a cellphone
it would beep when the battery got low
but at least it was much longer battery life than cellphones
i think pagers are better in some ways CaZe: And they would have codes for what sequences of numbers meant, since you could only send digits. mercutio: it's kind of a pity they've fallen out of fashion
oh i had an alphanumeric pager hazardous: dumb but serious question, did people write calculator upside down 'boobies' on pagers mercutio: hazardous: nope
it cost money to send pages. hazardous: wha
EACH one? CaZe: 80087355 mercutio: yeh hazardous: how did pagers work anyway, cant have been push notifications or something
brb google mercutio: hazardous: one way communication hazardous: actually better question
what did you guys do without google mercutio: it just broadcast pages everywhere hazardous: "hmm.. what is ___________" mike-burns: Alta Vista. mercutio: if it wasn't swithced on you wouildn't get it hazardous: and you just not know what it is? CaZe: They were sort of a waste of money. mercutio: CaZe: how so? CaZe: I mean unless you were a doctor or something. mercutio: hazardous: well you tended to remember who knew things. CaZe: mercutio: For kids in high school. mercutio: i used to get asked how to spell things sometimes :/
actually i still get asked hmm mike-burns: Also, the encyclopedia. mercutio: heh boring! CaZe: You'd go to the library or something. mercutio: people remembered more boring information
i learnt how to code c from the library :/ mike-burns: I read every programming book the town library had. All two of them. mercutio: hmm we had about 20 to 30 mike-burns: They didn't have any book that taught unix, but they did have "The Unix Hater's Handbook". mercutio: but most sucked hazardous: i never really thought about how much the world changed with the advent of the internet and how it progressed tbh
half of you are probably less than a decade older mercutio: lots of stuff was old though hazardous: but with much much different childhood experiences
it's just kind of strange mike-burns: hazardous: You mean the Web? hazardous: something something bbs CaZe: Well, you didn't have access to as much useless information.
And the information that was really important tended to just be close by. mike-burns: It was mostly porn. Pictures of cats didn't replace porn until the mid-2000s. hazardous: like me and every one of my friends quite literally never knew a life before reasonably always on internet
i can't imagine not knowing something, not being able to saerchengine it and having to ask someone or plan a trip to the library or something
it's just so foreign mike-burns: Plus, without smart phones, if we didn't know it while we were out, we simply didn't know it. CaZe: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R7QNld-gq9s/TE4u3VmuORI/AAAAAAAAACI/yQBwD9K94J8/s1600/shoe-icon-wtf-sm.jpg
If you found that sticker on your new shoes, and you wanted to know what it meant, you'd probably go to the shoe store and ask them.
And if it wasn't worth the trip, then you didn't find out. mike-burns: There were fewer armchair "experts". hazardous: one of my classmates referred to an irc channel as 'hashtag wordpress' last week, that was amusing mike-burns: A review for Slack (a hosted IRC thingie) referred to channels as "like hashtags". hazardous: well yeah, that would be the only way people would know what you were talking about CaZe: In college, you probably spent most of your time in the library, if you had to do any sort of research. mike-burns: Well we certainly weren't on our laptops! CaZe: People didn't have computers in their dorm rooms until the early-mid nineties. You went to the computer lab if you needed to use a computer. hazardous: see that's the strange part
i'm not that young yet i still can't imagine not being able to just search stuff
like "people just went to the library and found books and couldn't ctrl-f them" is an entirely new concept to me ***: gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks hazardous: it seems like things changed a lot more from 80s -> 90s or something than the other decades or w/e CaZe: Well, they tend to have indices.
Also, the dewey decimal system. brycec: hazardous: you make me sad... hazardous: :( brycec: "how do pagers work" lol
I know things are foreign to you... but your foreignness is foreign to me :p
Well... depends on the size of mp3 :P 14:31:10 < mercutio> it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous. staticsafe: dialup :( brycec: I had a second phone line just for dialup, and I still remember the number
I used to dial back into my own mgetty instance
Even growing up without always-on Internet, it's strange to look back upon
To think "I disconnected so that I could dial in" is weird
I would also stick another modem on our first line and do multilink staticsafe: fancy brycec: Why thank you :)
I wasn't always so fancy, I started out just like many, many others - a single phone line and AOL staticsafe: i didn't get always-on internet until I moved to Canada brycec: I eventually had always-dialed-up Internet ***: joepie91_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
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AOL + USRobotics external 28.8 modem up_the_irons: USRobotics +1 ***: kevr_ has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
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I still have my USR 56k modem too, and still use it for dial-in
(before the move, I still had a 14.4 too) up_the_irons: nice mercutio: usb? :) brycec: Both are serial
are/were
"somewhere" i have an Apple USB modem, i think. RandalSchwartz: I think I donated the two or three I had to some landfill. :) mercutio: i was going to try and buy an old mac
but it's hard to get the ethernet adapters
well transceivers brycec: mercutio: The AUI-Ethernet adapters? mercutio: aaui
it's not normal transceiver it seems brycec: TIL mercutio: this is 68k mac i'm taklnig about :) brycec: Sadly, my one is in-use
I have a 7100 and a 7200
aka a Nubus and a PCI mercutio: was thinking quadra 700 before
or quadra 610
which i imagine are older
don't know if have nubus or not
7200 looks modern ***: novae has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) mercutio: powerpc brycec: Yeah it's relatively modern, and supported by YDL mercutio: i tred 68k netbsd on amiga 68030 brycec: The 7100 is much more limited, on account of its nubus architecture mercutio: it was damn slow brycec: pfft 90mhz is plenty mercutio: and i've tried openbsdo n a old sparc before and that was pretty slow too brycec: oh the 68k mercutio: yeh brycec: Nothing compared to my IIgs :D
2.8MHz mercutio: heh
i'm not trynig to get slower :)
i got 128mb ram stick for my amiga today
haven' tried it yet
but i enver heard of people having that much ram back in the day ***: novae has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: that's basically the time when software started getting inefficient RandalSchwartz: big upgrade for my Arp VPS this weekend
conservatively upgrading from FBSD 8.3 to 8.4, but also need to upgrade Perl from 5.10 to 5.16
and I'm gonna switch to pkgng, and begin using poudeire to build packages
I presume the 8.4 FBSD ISO is still available for mount :)
Oooh... there might not be an ISO mounted there... looks like up_the_irons forcibly removed my mounted 8.3
this scares ms
wait... if it's loaded I should be able to mount it. up_the_irons: why would i remove it?
haven't touched your stuff RandalSchwartz: because it's past EOL :)
ok up_the_irons: so RandalSchwartz: if all goes well this weekend, my second system will have been for naught. up_the_irons: there's tons of EOL stuff in people's ISOs :) RandalSchwartz: ok
just can't pick it any more in the popup up_the_irons: i can add it if you need it; just send a ticket
on another note, the ThinkPad X240's look nice RandalSchwartz: well.. if it's alreasdy in teh drive... I should be able to boot from it -: up_the_irons still needs a new laptop RandalSchwartz: is there some mount command I can type to see? up_the_irons: forgot how freebsd names it RandalSchwartz: would that be /dev/acd0 ? up_the_irons: mount /dev/cd0 /mnt/
or w/e RandalSchwartz: I think I need to say it's an 9660 somewhere
cd9660
yeah - acd0 is still the 8.3 iso
cool up_the_irons: cool ***: easymac_ has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0 /media # for your future notes ***: koan_ has joined #arpnetworks
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