#arpnetworks 2014-05-21,Wed

Nope, for private use :)
[admin@MANPepV-OW-CCR] > /tool traceroute arpnetworks.com use-dns=yes # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV STATUS 1 10.1.1.142 0% 4 3ms 2.9 2.1 3.3 0.5

http://pastebin.com/FKjRSGqv

[05:52]

RandalSchwartz

why not just buy transit from he.net or something?

[05:59]

nadeu

because we setup MPLS over EoIP
and we set-up an anycasted network
optimizing routes
per carriers and sources

[06:00]

RandalSchwartz

sounds like that'd be hard to do if it was all tunneled through ARP

[06:00]

nadeu

We have other tunnels
with Cogent, per example.

[06:07]

kevr

hm..

[06:18]

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hazardous

i would rather be interested in why you would want 200ms of latency on all traffic and what you would do with a /23 on a single vm for "virtual servers"

[08:11]

RandalSchwartz

yeah - that's what confused me too
just buy transit on he.net or something
also the lack of planning of getting a /23 without also having a place to host it. :0

[08:11]

hazardous

i don't think this is the place for you
extlbwlarn.com has address 91.235.41.103
extlbwlarn.com mail is handled by 10 qioe103.extlbwlarn.com.
horasdqen.com has address 91.235.41.101
horasdqen.com mail is handled by 10 ztio101.horasdqen.com.

[08:14]

RandalSchwartz

oh - bad company?

[08:14]

hazardous

aszdubiosher.com has address 91.235.41.98
aszdubiosher.com mail is handled by 10 vyu98.aszdubiosher.com.
at least none of those look like anything i'd want to host
the entire 41.0/24 has domains that seem to be random smashing on keyboard

[08:14]

RandalSchwartz

hmm. that smells.
I wonder if any of those IPs are in the spam RBLs
oh yeah... nice hits
... http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a91.235.41.98&run=toolpage

[08:16]

hazardous

RandalSchwartz: http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence
swap 99 for 100, 101, etc in url
lol
there's spamtrapped stuff from even days ago

[08:28]

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[08:31]

hazardous

and he's gone
it's more fun when people are less obvious about "i need a /23 TODAY, immediately, on a single vps"

[08:31]

CaZe

What do you think he wanted it for?

[08:34]

hazardous

i would have suggested dropping all mail ports for his vm probably
the /23 he listed is blacklisted by multiple, looks like it sends weight loss pill / diabeetes pills / DIY weight loss spam

[08:35]

mike-burns

The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome. I can't imagine this happening on a VPS without a dedicated IRC channel.

[08:37]

hazardous

i mean he can't even pull the "it was a long time ago and we forgot to get it fixed" - look at dates on http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence

[08:38]

staticsafe

even SSL isn't a valid excuse for IPs anymore

[08:38]

hazardous

you can cycle through like .70 to .100 and hit check evidence for all of them
they all have at best a few days old stuff

[08:39]

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RandalSchwartz

I bet he needed new hosting urgently to keep the money flowing

[09:38]

brycec

Probably. And #arpnetworks asked too many questions, yay

[09:39]

RandalSchwartz

well - right, who needs a /23 for a simple VPS

[09:42]

brycec

I admit, sometimes I'm annoyed at having a /30... but I get over it (not worth $$ for more, plus I have a /48)
A whole damn /23 though...

[09:43]

RandalSchwartz

I have a /28 for IPv4
and about 5 IPv6 /48's :)

[09:43]

brycec

I knew a guy who ran a hosting company with a /24, and that was more than enough
My office has a /28 at least (and it's about 1 IP shy of what I need, but I make do with port forwarding)
I only have 3 /48's :/

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up_the_irons

"@mike-burns | The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome."
i have to say, that is quite awesome
you guys rock
as a rule of thumb, whenever I hear, "i need something RIGHT NOW, can you do it?", it means they were just shit canned by their current provider and are down. i divert those away.

[11:55]

staticsafe

yeah, good rule

[11:56]

RandalSchwartz

it just smelled. smelled bad.
why bring a /23 of traffic here just to tunnel it somewhere else?

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up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: that's actually more common than you think; i have several VPS w/ BGP customers that do that, but for legit purposes

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mercutio

i reckon it's cool arp does bgp to vps's

[13:24]

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up_the_irons

many say they can't find it anywhere else

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brycec

If anyone was wondering about my shitty Internet issue... Turns out a server I'd recently been given and told "here, host this" was running unpatched NTP and contributing to a DDoS. :(
That on top of another known TWC issue (narrow tubes serving me) lead to extreme lag and packet loss.
And now I get to figure out why my traffic shaping didn't work as expected... I suspect because it was a flood of connections, rather than any one connection
Hey up_the_irons thanks again for the searchable channel logs.

[14:16]

up_the_irons

np :)

[14:21]

hazardous

<nadeu> because we setup MPLS over EoIP <nadeu> and we set-up an anycasted network
i'm reasonably sure that doesn't even make sense
at least for this situation

[14:21]

mercutio

brycec: damn

[14:21]

brycec

mercutio: yeah, i feel horrible about contributing :(

[14:22]

mercutio

apparently snmp is being hit now days too

[14:22]

hazardous

mercutio: i'm seeing some chargen too, it's really weird

[14:22]

mercutio

what's chargen?

[14:22]

brycec

mercutio: character generator

[14:22]

mercutio

is that echo service?

[14:22]

hazardous

obviously a protocol older than i am but i have literally no idea why there would be a daemon that just spews the ascii char set to you endlessly

[14:22]

mercutio

yeh echo

[14:22]

brycec

mercutio: like echo, except it just dumps characters at you without stop

[14:22]

mercutio

it was a legacy thing for testing i imagine
oh real
wow

[14:22]

brycec

Yeah think it was just testing
@wiki chargen

[14:23]

mercutio

like iperf :)

[14:23]

BryceBot

Character Generator Protocol :: The Character Generator Protocol (CHARGEN) is a service of the Internet Protocol Suite defined in RFC 864 in 1983 by Jon Postel. It is intended for testing, debugging, and measurement purposes. The protocol is rarely used, as its design flaws allow ready misuse. A host may connect to a server that supports the Character Generator Protocol on either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character%20Generator%20Protocol

[14:23]

mercutio

in udp mode

[14:23]

brycec

there is, testing, debugging, measurement
*there it is:

[14:23]

hazardous

yeah, i can't imagine the amplification from responding to a single udp packet with "endlessly spewing characters"

[14:23]

mercutio

i doubt anything is on fast links with it
but you never know
old unix of various kinds used to have heaps of telnet etc vulnerabilities

[14:23]

hazardous

my friend runs a minecraft server (i don't play, but occasionally have to fix crap)
apparently some .edu's have printers with chargen running
that isn't really a slow link

[14:23]

brycec

Go HP

[14:24]

mercutio

but now days people seem to be more keen to ddos than hack

[14:24]

hazardous

though i do want to know why the hell printers have outward internet public ips

[14:24]

mercutio

well the majority

[14:24]

brycec

hazardous: most printers have 10mbps links at least

[14:24]

mercutio

i think hacking isn't "cool" any more

[14:24]

mike-burns

That's a shame.

[14:24]

hazardous

2014 hacking: ex-gf left her facebook logged in

[14:24]

brycec

brycec maintains his coolness
truth, hazardous

[14:24]

mercutio

hazardous: oh actually sthat stuff gets worse
people hacking gf's computers etc
think they might be cheating stick key logger on

[14:24]

brycec

"omg I'm such a haxor!"

[14:25]

mercutio

does anyone remember back orifice?

[14:25]

mike-burns

Gone are the days of trying to get into the Gibson for fun. Now it's all about personal attacks.

[14:25]

mercutio

that sounds dirty.
people used to use it to eject peoples cd trays etc
send it through in email usually

[14:25]

hazardous

oh i have a weird question that's been in the back of my head for like a year
what's a "porn dialer"
i don't understand how those two words fit together, or what a dialer is

[14:26]

mercutio

dials charge numbers.
of legit services to make extra money
using modem

[14:26]

hazardous

but how?
voip?

[14:27]

mercutio

nah
modem

[14:27]

CaZe

A trojan that would make your modem dial 1-900 numbers.

[14:27]

hazardous

i don't understand how that makes sense

[14:27]

brycec

reverse phone charges, I assume

[14:27]

mercutio

it's old school

[14:27]

CaZe

POTS modem

[14:27]

hazardous

don't most places auto block 900-*

[14:27]

mercutio

there were also ones that rung expensive countries
not for home users normally

[14:27]

brycec

Not to mention there are some phone exchanges that cost more

[14:27]

mercutio

yeh brycec that happened too

[14:28]

RandalSchwartz

809 area code, for example

[14:28]

mercutio

oh international

[14:28]

RandalSchwartz

that's technically an international call
but it looks local

[14:28]

hazardous

but.. computers don't come with POTS modems

[14:28]

brycec

hazardous: they used to
hazardous: people used to dial-up for Internet access

[14:28]

RandalSchwartz

... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_Dominican_Republic

[14:28]

BryceBot

Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic :: Area code 809 redirects here. 809 once covered Bermuda and many islands in the Caribbean which have since been allocated their own codes; see Area codes in the Caribbean for more details. Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic use area code 809 with 829 and 849 as overlay codes. Telecommunications in the Dominican Republic use the North American Numbering Plan (NANP) country code, 1, followed b

[14:28]

mercutio

haz: these things are dated

[14:28]

brycec

And when they weren't connected, a virus could use the modem

[14:29]

mercutio

was all the rage in 96 or something

[14:29]

brycec

[14:29]

hazardous

that's weird
why would the DR use +1

[14:29]

CaZe

I once made my friend's modem dial 911.

[14:29]

mercutio

i was still running a bbs in 96
no net for me

[14:29]

brycec

And with this retro/nostalgia, I'm going to go get lunch finally.

[14:29]

RandalSchwartz

so people will get caller-id of 809 that doesn't leave message, call back, and by arrangement with DR phone company, get a portion of the LD charges
like a 900 call

[14:29]

brycec

hazardous: because they're under the "north american numbering plan"

[14:29]

CaZe

The police showed up at his door while he was sleeping.

[14:29]

hazardous

did he get mad at you

[14:29]

brycec

did he know it was you? ;p

[14:29]

CaZe

I didn't tell him until much later.

[14:29]

hazardous

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNELF1GCUAExynU.png:large

[14:30]

CaZe

No, he didn't.

[14:30]

mercutio

we used to have this interconnect thing here, where providers would pay each other for going between each other

[14:30]

hazardous

i'm working on something that appears to have turned into this

[14:30]

CaZe

I was actually trying to make it call his office during the day.

[14:30]

mercutio

and most people were with the bigger provider

[14:30]

mike-burns

Ha.

[14:30]

mercutio

so isp's started using the smaller provider, and the smaller provider paid per minute of connected time.

[14:30]

CaZe

So at work, he'd get a call from his house, and his phone number would show up on his caller id.

[14:30]

mercutio

so they got cheap phone lines, and per minute credit.

[14:30]

hazardous

man

[14:30]

mercutio

which brought about free isp's too.

[14:30]

CaZe

And he'd be like, "Who the fuck is in my house?"

[14:31]

hazardous

the internet was bizarre in the early days
glad i wasn't alive then

[14:31]

mercutio

it was like 2 cents a minute or something
not heaps but adds up

[14:31]

hazardous

hours for a mp3 download is a completely foreign concept

[14:31]

mercutio

it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous.
mp3's weren't around before 56k modems were common.

[14:31]

hazardous

what was that thing people used long ago
uh
realplayer?

[14:31]

CaZe

But it didn't work.

[14:31]

mike-burns

MIDI?

[14:31]

mercutio

people used realplayer.

[14:31]

RandalSchwartz

that's how the "free phone forwarding" used to work

[14:31]

mercutio

mod!
amiga mod files :)
often 300k or less for a song.

[14:31]

hazardous

i don't understand the realplayer buffering joke either, i mean back then i would have assumed everything on earth would buffer the same amount

[14:32]

CaZe

I thought it was because it was too many digits to fit in the exploit string.

[14:32]

RandalSchwartz

made enough money being an (I think they called it) IXC that they paid for the equipment

[14:32]

mike-burns

I had Metallica's "...And Justice for All" as MIDI files.

[14:32]

CaZe

So I tried it with a shorter number -- 911.

[14:32]

mercutio

mike-burns: there were heaps of versions of that

[14:32]

RandalSchwartz

maybe it was ilc

[14:33]

mercutio

oh there was also automated dialers that would ring every phone number sequentialyl to see if a modem was on the other end

[14:33]

hazardous

back in the day we only had 6mbps adsl and we liked it!

[14:33]

mercutio

but lots of people have phone numbers next to each other with multiple lines, so all their phones would ring soon after each other
and they'd get really pissy

[14:33]

mike-burns

When I was 17 I left a FreeBSD computer connected to the Internet with anonymous FTP upload enabled. I learned a lesson real quickly.

[14:34]

mercutio

and complain to phone company, who was never very useful about such things.
mike hah
when i was 17 there was a library with dialup catalogue
and friends had figured out that you could ^Z or such something and get lynx
and browse the net
at 14.4k
they only had 14.4k modem

[14:34]

hazardous

mike-burns: porn or warez

[14:35]

mercutio

the catalogue was really handy though

[14:35]

mike-burns

warez, sadly.

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[14:36]

mercutio

mm i've been hearing lately that a whole lot of kids have got iphones etc now days.
even like 13 year olds etc.

[14:36]

hazardous

what
EVERYONE at 13 has a smartphone
usually starts around grade 2-3

[14:36]

mercutio

but iphones?

[14:36]

hazardous

yes

[14:37]

mercutio

like expensive phones.

[14:37]

hazardous

there is virtually no one at 13 without one
or they get mocked by everyone else
kids are terrible

[14:37]

mercutio

it's pretty strange :)
i don't want to carry around a really expensive phone

[14:37]

hazardous

usually the cheaper androids around age 8 or so

[14:37]

mercutio

and i'm consdierably older than 13.

[14:37]

hazardous

iphones start around maybe grade 5-6
iirc most of those baby push strollres also have ipad mounts now too

[14:37]

mercutio

i've dropped phones multiple times.
they've been fine.
but i've heard about people droppign phones in toilets etc by accident
i prefer android anyway myself :/
not that i like it

[14:38]

hazardous

i prefer android too
i remember my first phone as a kid was like android 1.6, and awful
gotten much better nowadays

[14:38]

mercutio

but like i'm already starting to realise i'm going to struggle to keep up soon :)

[14:39]

hazardous

i really don't use much as weird as it is

[14:39]

mercutio

your first phone was a smart phone?

[14:39]

hazardous

yeah
late primary school

[14:39]

mike-burns

My first phone was a smart phone. I was 25.

[14:39]

mercutio

i didn't even own a cellphone until 2001.

[14:39]

hazardous

my phone now is basically a browser, ssh, remote desktop
i don't get why people would want to watch movies on a 5" screen

[14:39]

mercutio

heh

[14:40]

hazardous

so i don't really keep up with the biggest and best

[14:40]

mercutio

it's the sound quality that would hold it back for me

[14:40]

hazardous

cyanogenmod is a one-tap install when connected by usb, no screwing around needed
allows tethering too
now that major US carriers do DPI for tether traffic

[14:40]

mercutio

i think i'm using cyanogenmod
or a fork

[14:40]

hazardous

and will automatically charge per megabyte
or worse

[14:40]

mercutio

i can't remember

[14:40]

hazardous

i'm already paying for capped, x gb per month

[14:40]

mercutio

i tried looking around more a bit later

[14:41]

hazardous

and they want extra $40/m for tethering allow
fuck that

[14:41]

mercutio

and thgen i remembered how much of a pita it was :/
android 4.3 didn't work with mic in skype or something
so i have to use android 4.2.2

[14:41]

hazardous

yeah, the new phones have the latest CM available via just outright play store pretty much

[14:41]

mercutio

but it's getting to the point where i just don't care

[14:41]

hazardous

that's mostly why i chose a specific phone
i don't want to run 30 exes with boot loaders and unlocking and modifying all that

[14:41]

mercutio

i have a cheap ebay phone
i think it was $135 usd?
but it has flash
and fits in my existing car cradle
and has 2 day battery life.

[14:41]

hazardous

in all seriousness though, if youre 13 and show up with a flip phone, you will be bullied and mocked until graduation by every other student
it's really messed up
that being said zero tolerance policies are dumb too

[14:42]

mercutio

i can't remember how i unlocked, but i think there was some manufacturer bypass you could opt in to or something

[14:43]

mike-burns

If you're 13, you're going to be bullied and mocked by other students.

[14:43]

mercutio

(htc desire s)

[14:43]

CaZe

Show up with a Zack Morris phone.

[14:43]

hazardous

who's zack morris

[14:43]

mercutio

when was 13 people used to trade warez on floppies

[14:43]

CaZe

I knew you wouldn't get the reference.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgfcidcKLE1qh3qkyo1_500.jpg

[14:43]

hazardous

the hell is that

[14:45]

mercutio

oh god
not him

[14:45]

CaZe

Only cool kids had cellphones back then.

[14:45]

mercutio

he's from saved from the bell

[14:45]

CaZe

Actually, people only had pagers.
Nobody had a cellphone.

[14:45]

mercutio

i had a pager before i had a cellphone
it would beep when the battery got low
but at least it was much longer battery life than cellphones
i think pagers are better in some ways

[14:46]

CaZe

And they would have codes for what sequences of numbers meant, since you could only send digits.

[14:46]

mercutio

it's kind of a pity they've fallen out of fashion
oh i had an alphanumeric pager

[14:46]

hazardous

dumb but serious question, did people write calculator upside down 'boobies' on pagers

[14:47]

mercutio

hazardous: nope
it cost money to send pages.

[14:47]

hazardous

wha
EACH one?

[14:47]

CaZe

80087355

[14:47]

mercutio

yeh

[14:47]

hazardous

how did pagers work anyway, cant have been push notifications or something
brb google

[14:48]

mercutio

hazardous: one way communication

[14:48]

hazardous

actually better question
what did you guys do without google

[14:48]

mercutio

it just broadcast pages everywhere

[14:48]

hazardous

"hmm.. what is ___________"

[14:48]

mike-burns

Alta Vista.

[14:48]

mercutio

if it wasn't swithced on you wouildn't get it

[14:48]

hazardous

and you just not know what it is?

[14:48]

CaZe

They were sort of a waste of money.

[14:48]

mercutio

CaZe: how so?

[14:48]

CaZe

I mean unless you were a doctor or something.

[14:48]

mercutio

hazardous: well you tended to remember who knew things.

[14:48]

CaZe

mercutio: For kids in high school.

[14:49]

mercutio

i used to get asked how to spell things sometimes :/
actually i still get asked hmm

[14:49]

mike-burns

Also, the encyclopedia.

[14:49]

mercutio

heh boring!

[14:49]

CaZe

You'd go to the library or something.

[14:49]

mercutio

people remembered more boring information
i learnt how to code c from the library :/

[14:50]

mike-burns

I read every programming book the town library had. All two of them.

[14:50]

mercutio

hmm we had about 20 to 30

[14:51]

mike-burns

They didn't have any book that taught unix, but they did have "The Unix Hater's Handbook".

[14:51]

mercutio

but most sucked

[14:51]

hazardous

i never really thought about how much the world changed with the advent of the internet and how it progressed tbh
half of you are probably less than a decade older

[14:51]

mercutio

lots of stuff was old though

[14:51]

hazardous

but with much much different childhood experiences
it's just kind of strange

[14:51]

mike-burns

hazardous: You mean the Web?

[14:51]

hazardous

something something bbs

[14:51]

CaZe

Well, you didn't have access to as much useless information.
And the information that was really important tended to just be close by.

[14:51]

mike-burns

It was mostly porn. Pictures of cats didn't replace porn until the mid-2000s.

[14:52]

hazardous

like me and every one of my friends quite literally never knew a life before reasonably always on internet
i can't imagine not knowing something, not being able to saerchengine it and having to ask someone or plan a trip to the library or something
it's just so foreign

[14:52]

mike-burns

Plus, without smart phones, if we didn't know it while we were out, we simply didn't know it.

[14:53]

CaZe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R7QNld-gq9s/TE4u3VmuORI/AAAAAAAAACI/yQBwD9K94J8/s1600/shoe-icon-wtf-sm.jpg
If you found that sticker on your new shoes, and you wanted to know what it meant, you'd probably go to the shoe store and ask them.
And if it wasn't worth the trip, then you didn't find out.

[14:53]

mike-burns

There were fewer armchair "experts".

[14:55]

hazardous

one of my classmates referred to an irc channel as 'hashtag wordpress' last week, that was amusing

[14:56]

mike-burns

A review for Slack (a hosted IRC thingie) referred to channels as "like hashtags".

[14:57]

hazardous

well yeah, that would be the only way people would know what you were talking about

[14:58]

CaZe

In college, you probably spent most of your time in the library, if you had to do any sort of research.

[14:58]

mike-burns

Well we certainly weren't on our laptops!

[14:59]

CaZe

People didn't have computers in their dorm rooms until the early-mid nineties. You went to the computer lab if you needed to use a computer.

[14:59]

hazardous

see that's the strange part
i'm not that young yet i still can't imagine not being able to just search stuff
like "people just went to the library and found books and couldn't ctrl-f them" is an entirely new concept to me

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hazardous

it seems like things changed a lot more from 80s -> 90s or something than the other decades or w/e

[15:00]

CaZe

Well, they tend to have indices.
Also, the dewey decimal system.

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brycec

hazardous: you make me sad...

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hazardous

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brycec

"how do pagers work" lol

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I know things are foreign to you... but your foreignness is foreign to me :p
Well... depends on the size of mp3 :P 14:31:10 < mercutio> it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous.

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staticsafe

dialup :(

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brycec

I had a second phone line just for dialup, and I still remember the number
I used to dial back into my own mgetty instance
Even growing up without always-on Internet, it's strange to look back upon
To think "I disconnected so that I could dial in" is weird
I would also stick another modem on our first line and do multilink

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staticsafe

fancy

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brycec

Why thank you :)
I wasn't always so fancy, I started out just like many, many others - a single phone line and AOL

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staticsafe

i didn't get always-on internet until I moved to Canada

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brycec

I eventually had always-dialed-up Internet

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m0unds

i remember the number for my dial up internet phone line too
AOL + USRobotics external 28.8 modem

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up_the_irons

USRobotics +1

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brycec

USR +2
I still have my USR 56k modem too, and still use it for dial-in
(before the move, I still had a 14.4 too)

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up_the_irons

nice

[18:55]

mercutio

usb? :)

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brycec

Both are serial
are/were
"somewhere" i have an Apple USB modem, i think.

[18:57]

RandalSchwartz

I think I donated the two or three I had to some landfill. :)

[18:58]

mercutio

i was going to try and buy an old mac
but it's hard to get the ethernet adapters
well transceivers

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brycec

mercutio: The AUI-Ethernet adapters?

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mercutio

aaui
it's not normal transceiver it seems

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brycec

TIL

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mercutio

this is 68k mac i'm taklnig about :)

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brycec

Sadly, my one is in-use
I have a 7100 and a 7200
aka a Nubus and a PCI

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mercutio

was thinking quadra 700 before
or quadra 610
which i imagine are older
don't know if have nubus or not
7200 looks modern

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mercutio

powerpc

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brycec

Yeah it's relatively modern, and supported by YDL

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mercutio

i tred 68k netbsd on amiga 68030

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brycec

The 7100 is much more limited, on account of its nubus architecture

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mercutio

it was damn slow

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brycec

pfft 90mhz is plenty

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mercutio

and i've tried openbsdo n a old sparc before and that was pretty slow too

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brycec

oh the 68k

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mercutio

yeh

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brycec

Nothing compared to my IIgs :D
2.8MHz

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mercutio

heh
i'm not trynig to get slower :)
i got 128mb ram stick for my amiga today
haven' tried it yet
but i enver heard of people having that much ram back in the day

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mercutio

that's basically the time when software started getting inefficient

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RandalSchwartz

big upgrade for my Arp VPS this weekend
conservatively upgrading from FBSD 8.3 to 8.4, but also need to upgrade Perl from 5.10 to 5.16
and I'm gonna switch to pkgng, and begin using poudeire to build packages
I presume the 8.4 FBSD ISO is still available for mount :)
Oooh... there might not be an ISO mounted there... looks like up_the_irons forcibly removed my mounted 8.3
this scares ms
wait... if it's loaded I should be able to mount it.

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up_the_irons

why would i remove it?
haven't touched your stuff

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RandalSchwartz

because it's past EOL :)
ok

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up_the_irons

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RandalSchwartz

if all goes well this weekend, my second system will have been for naught.

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up_the_irons

there's tons of EOL stuff in people's ISOs :)

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RandalSchwartz

ok
just can't pick it any more in the popup

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up_the_irons

i can add it if you need it; just send a ticket
on another note, the ThinkPad X240's look nice

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RandalSchwartz

well.. if it's alreasdy in teh drive... I should be able to boot from it

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up_the_irons

up_the_irons still needs a new laptop

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RandalSchwartz

is there some mount command I can type to see?

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up_the_irons

forgot how freebsd names it

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RandalSchwartz

would that be /dev/acd0 ?

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up_the_irons

mount /dev/cd0 /mnt/
or w/e

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RandalSchwartz

I think I need to say it's an 9660 somewhere
cd9660
yeah - acd0 is still the 8.3 iso
cool

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up_the_irons

cool

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RandalSchwartz

mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0 /media # for your future notes

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