[01:01] ....aaaand that's the 8th box to be upgraded to 12.04 LTS [01:06] hmm doesn't seem kvr15 hjas yet [01:06] has [01:09] not yet [01:09] Hivelocity says they fixed some stuff; those having problems should check now [01:10] ahh looks like it works now [01:21] thanks for emailing them [01:27] cool [05:47] *** nadeu has joined #arpnetworks [05:47] Hello [05:47] If i buy a VPS what is time for announce a /23? [05:48] are there that many ipv4 left in the world? :) [05:49] 91.235.40.0/23 :) [05:49] We awaiting for Moln.is support, but it's a shit. [05:50] send email to support@arpnetworks.com .. you should get a response within a day [05:50] Yeah, but we need to announce today :) [05:50] so you'd route your traffic here, and then tunnel to your real location? [05:51] Yeah [05:51] to our DC [05:51] why do you still have that many IPs? [05:51] are you doing SSL? [05:52] Nope, VirtualServers, and much more :) [05:52] so you'd effectively be competing with Arp? [05:52] good luck on that. :( [05:52] Nope, for private use :) [05:53] [admin@MANPepV-OW-CCR] > /tool traceroute arpnetworks.com use-dns=yes # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV STATUS 1 10.1.1.142 0% 4 3ms 2.9 2.1 3.3 0.5 [05:53] http://pastebin.com/FKjRSGqv [05:59] why not just buy transit from he.net or something? [06:00] because we setup MPLS over EoIP [06:00] and we set-up an anycasted network [06:00] optimizing routes [06:00] per carriers and sources [06:00] sounds like that'd be hard to do if it was all tunneled through ARP [06:07] We have other tunnels [06:07] with Cogent, per example. [06:18] hm.. [08:11] i would rather be interested in why you would want 200ms of latency on all traffic and what you would do with a /23 on a single vm for "virtual servers" [08:11] yeah - that's what confused me too [08:11] just buy transit on he.net or something [08:13] also the lack of planning of getting a /23 without also having a place to host it. :0 [08:14] i don't think this is the place for you [08:14] extlbwlarn.com has address 91.235.41.103 [08:14] extlbwlarn.com mail is handled by 10 qioe103.extlbwlarn.com. [08:14] horasdqen.com has address 91.235.41.101 [08:14] horasdqen.com mail is handled by 10 ztio101.horasdqen.com. [08:14] oh - bad company? [08:14] aszdubiosher.com has address 91.235.41.98 [08:14] aszdubiosher.com mail is handled by 10 vyu98.aszdubiosher.com. [08:15] at least none of those look like anything i'd want to host [08:15] the entire 41.0/24 has domains that seem to be random smashing on keyboard [08:16] hmm. that smells. [08:17] I wonder if any of those IPs are in the spam RBLs [08:21] oh yeah... nice hits [08:21] ... http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a91.235.41.98&run=toolpage [08:28] RandalSchwartz: http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence [08:28] swap 99 for 100, 101, etc in url [08:28] lol [08:28] there's spamtrapped stuff from even days ago [08:31] *** nadeu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:31] and he's gone [08:34] it's more fun when people are less obvious about "i need a /23 TODAY, immediately, on a single vps" [08:34] What do you think he wanted it for? [08:35] i would have suggested dropping all mail ports for his vm probably [08:36] the /23 he listed is blacklisted by multiple, looks like it sends weight loss pill / diabeetes pills / DIY weight loss spam [08:37] The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome. I can't imagine this happening on a VPS without a dedicated IRC channel. [08:38] i mean he can't even pull the "it was a long time ago and we forgot to get it fixed" - look at dates on http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence [08:38] even SSL isn't a valid excuse for IPs anymore [08:39] you can cycle through like .70 to .100 and hit check evidence for all of them [08:39] they all have at best a few days old stuff [09:38] I bet he needed new hosting urgently to keep the money flowing [09:39] Probably. And #arpnetworks asked too many questions, yay [09:42] well - right, who needs a /23 for a simple VPS [09:43] I admit, sometimes I'm annoyed at having a /30... but I get over it (not worth $$ for more, plus I have a /48) [09:43] A whole damn /23 though... [09:43] I have a /28 for IPv4 [09:43] and about 5 IPv6 /48's :) [09:43] I knew a guy who ran a hosting company with a /24, and that was more than enough [09:44] My office has a /28 at least (and it's about 1 IP shy of what I need, but I make do with port forwarding) [09:44] I only have 3 /48's :/ [11:55] "@mike-burns | The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome." [11:55] i have to say, that is quite awesome [11:55] you guys rock [11:56] as a rule of thumb, whenever I hear, "i need something RIGHT NOW, can you do it?", it means they were just shit canned by their current provider and are down. i divert those away. [11:56] yeah, good rule [12:01] it just smelled. smelled bad. [12:01] why bring a /23 of traffic here just to tunnel it somewhere else? [12:38] RandalSchwartz: that's actually more common than you think; i have several VPS w/ BGP customers that do that, but for legit purposes [13:24] i reckon it's cool arp does bgp to vps's [13:43] many say they can't find it anywhere else [14:16] If anyone was wondering about my shitty Internet issue... Turns out a server I'd recently been given and told "here, host this" was running unpatched NTP and contributing to a DDoS. :( [14:17] That on top of another known TWC issue (narrow tubes serving me) lead to extreme lag and packet loss. [14:17] And now I get to figure out why my traffic shaping didn't work as expected... I suspect because it was a flood of connections, rather than any one connection [14:19] Hey up_the_irons thanks again for the searchable channel logs. [14:21] np :) [14:21] because we setup MPLS over EoIP and we set-up an anycasted network [14:21] i'm reasonably sure that doesn't even make sense [14:21] at least for this situation [14:21] brycec: damn [14:22] mercutio: yeah, i feel horrible about contributing :( [14:22] apparently snmp is being hit now days too [14:22] mercutio: i'm seeing some chargen too, it's really weird [14:22] what's chargen? [14:22] mercutio: character generator [14:22] is that echo service? [14:22] obviously a protocol older than i am but i have literally no idea why there would be a daemon that just spews the ascii char set to you endlessly [14:22] yeh echo [14:22] mercutio: like echo, except it just dumps characters at you without stop [14:22] it was a legacy thing for testing i imagine [14:22] oh real [14:22] wow [14:23] Yeah think it was just testing [14:23] @wiki chargen [14:23] like iperf :) [14:23] Character Generator Protocol :: The Character Generator Protocol (CHARGEN) is a service of the Internet Protocol Suite defined in RFC 864 in 1983 by Jon Postel. It is intended for testing, debugging, and measurement purposes. The protocol is rarely used, as its design flaws allow ready misuse. A host may connect to a server that supports the Character Generator Protocol on either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character%20Generator%20Protocol [14:23] in udp mode [14:23] there is, testing, debugging, measurement [14:23] *there it is: [14:23] yeah, i can't imagine the amplification from responding to a single udp packet with "endlessly spewing characters" [14:23] i doubt anything is on fast links with it [14:23] but you never know [14:23] old unix of various kinds used to have heaps of telnet etc vulnerabilities [14:23] my friend runs a minecraft server (i don't play, but occasionally have to fix crap) [14:23] apparently some .edu's have printers with chargen running [14:24] that isn't really a slow link [14:24] Go HP [14:24] but now days people seem to be more keen to ddos than hack [14:24] though i do want to know why the hell printers have outward internet public ips [14:24] well the majority [14:24] hazardous: most printers have 10mbps links at least [14:24] i think hacking isn't "cool" any more [14:24] That's a shame. [14:24] 2014 hacking: ex-gf left her facebook logged in [14:24] * brycec maintains his coolness [14:24] truth, hazardous [14:24] hazardous: oh actually sthat stuff gets worse [14:25] people hacking gf's computers etc [14:25] think they might be cheating stick key logger on [14:25] "omg I'm such a haxor!" [14:25] does anyone remember back orifice? [14:25] Gone are the days of trying to get into the Gibson for fun. Now it's all about personal attacks. [14:25] that sounds dirty. [14:26] people used to use it to eject peoples cd trays etc [14:26] send it through in email usually [14:26] oh i have a weird question that's been in the back of my head for like a year [14:26] what's a "porn dialer" [14:26] i don't understand how those two words fit together, or what a dialer is [14:26] dials charge numbers. [14:27] of legit services to make extra money [14:27] using modem [14:27] but how? [14:27] voip? [14:27] nah [14:27] modem [14:27] A trojan that would make your modem dial 1-900 numbers. [14:27] i don't understand how that makes sense [14:27] reverse phone charges, I assume [14:27] it's old school [14:27] POTS modem [14:27] don't most places auto block 900-* [14:27] there were also ones that rung expensive countries [14:27] not for home users normally [14:27] Not to mention there are some phone exchanges that cost more [14:28] yeh brycec that happened too [14:28] 809 area code, for example [14:28] oh international [14:28] that's technically an international call [14:28] but it looks local [14:28] but.. computers don't come with POTS modems [14:28] hazardous: they used to [14:28] hazardous: people used to dial-up for Internet access [14:28] ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_Dominican_Republic [14:28] Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic :: Area code 809 redirects here. 809 once covered Bermuda and many islands in the Caribbean which have since been allocated their own codes; see Area codes in the Caribbean for more details. Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic use area code 809 with 829 and 849 as overlay codes. Telecommunications in the Dominican Republic use the North American Numbering Plan (NANP) country code, 1, followed b [14:28] haz: these things are dated [14:29] And when they weren't connected, a virus could use the modem [14:29] was all the rage in 96 or something [14:29] ^ [14:29] that's weird [14:29] why would the DR use +1 [14:29] I once made my friend's modem dial 911. [14:29] i was still running a bbs in 96 [14:29] no net for me [14:29] And with this retro/nostalgia, I'm going to go get lunch finally. [14:29] so people will get caller-id of 809 that doesn't leave message, call back, and by arrangement with DR phone company, get a portion of the LD charges [14:29] like a 900 call [14:29] hazardous: because they're under the "north american numbering plan" [14:29] The police showed up at his door while he was sleeping. [14:29] did he get mad at you [14:29] did he know it was you? ;p [14:29] I didn't tell him until much later. [14:30] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNELF1GCUAExynU.png:large [14:30] No, he didn't. [14:30] we used to have this interconnect thing here, where providers would pay each other for going between each other [14:30] i'm working on something that appears to have turned into this [14:30] I was actually trying to make it call his office during the day. [14:30] and most people were with the bigger provider [14:30] Ha. [14:30] so isp's started using the smaller provider, and the smaller provider paid per minute of connected time. [14:30] So at work, he'd get a call from his house, and his phone number would show up on his caller id. [14:30] so they got cheap phone lines, and per minute credit. [14:30] man [14:30] which brought about free isp's too. [14:31] And he'd be like, "Who the fuck is in my house?" [14:31] the internet was bizarre in the early days [14:31] glad i wasn't alive then [14:31] it was like 2 cents a minute or something [14:31] not heaps but adds up [14:31] hours for a mp3 download is a completely foreign concept [14:31] it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous. [14:31] mp3's weren't around before 56k modems were common. [14:31] what was that thing people used long ago [14:31] uh [14:31] realplayer? [14:31] But it didn't work. [14:31] MIDI? [14:31] people used realplayer. [14:31] that's how the "free phone forwarding" used to work [14:31] mod! [14:32] amiga mod files :) [14:32] often 300k or less for a song. [14:32] i don't understand the realplayer buffering joke either, i mean back then i would have assumed everything on earth would buffer the same amount [14:32] I thought it was because it was too many digits to fit in the exploit string. [14:32] made enough money being an (I think they called it) IXC that they paid for the equipment [14:32] I had Metallica's "...And Justice for All" as MIDI files. [14:32] So I tried it with a shorter number -- 911. [14:32] mike-burns: there were heaps of versions of that [14:33] maybe it was ilc [14:33] oh there was also automated dialers that would ring every phone number sequentialyl to see if a modem was on the other end [14:33] back in the day we only had 6mbps adsl and we liked it! [14:33] but lots of people have phone numbers next to each other with multiple lines, so all their phones would ring soon after each other [14:33] and they'd get really pissy [14:34] When I was 17 I left a FreeBSD computer connected to the Internet with anonymous FTP upload enabled. I learned a lesson real quickly. [14:34] and complain to phone company, who was never very useful about such things. [14:34] mike hah [14:34] when i was 17 there was a library with dialup catalogue [14:35] and friends had figured out that you could ^Z or such something and get lynx [14:35] and browse the net [14:35] at 14.4k [14:35] they only had 14.4k modem [14:35] mike-burns: porn or warez [14:35] the catalogue was really handy though [14:35] warez, sadly. [14:36] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:36] mm i've been hearing lately that a whole lot of kids have got iphones etc now days. [14:36] even like 13 year olds etc. [14:36] what [14:36] EVERYONE at 13 has a smartphone [14:36] usually starts around grade 2-3 [14:36] but iphones? [14:37] yes [14:37] like expensive phones. [14:37] there is virtually no one at 13 without one [14:37] or they get mocked by everyone else [14:37] kids are terrible [14:37] it's pretty strange :) [14:37] i don't want to carry around a really expensive phone [14:37] usually the cheaper androids around age 8 or so [14:37] and i'm consdierably older than 13. [14:37] iphones start around maybe grade 5-6 [14:37] iirc most of those baby push strollres also have ipad mounts now too [14:38] i've dropped phones multiple times. [14:38] they've been fine. [14:38] but i've heard about people droppign phones in toilets etc by accident [14:38] i prefer android anyway myself :/ [14:38] not that i like it [14:38] i prefer android too [14:38] i remember my first phone as a kid was like android 1.6, and awful [14:39] gotten much better nowadays [14:39] but like i'm already starting to realise i'm going to struggle to keep up soon :) [14:39] i really don't use much as weird as it is [14:39] your first phone was a smart phone? [14:39] yeah [14:39] late primary school [14:39] My first phone was a smart phone. I was 25. [14:39] i didn't even own a cellphone until 2001. [14:39] my phone now is basically a browser, ssh, remote desktop [14:39] i don't get why people would want to watch movies on a 5" screen [14:40] heh [14:40] so i don't really keep up with the biggest and best [14:40] it's the sound quality that would hold it back for me [14:40] cyanogenmod is a one-tap install when connected by usb, no screwing around needed [14:40] allows tethering too [14:40] now that major US carriers do DPI for tether traffic [14:40] i think i'm using cyanogenmod [14:40] or a fork [14:40] and will automatically charge per megabyte [14:40] or worse [14:40] i can't remember [14:40] i'm already paying for capped, x gb per month [14:41] i tried looking around more a bit later [14:41] and they want extra $40/m for tethering allow [14:41] fuck that [14:41] and thgen i remembered how much of a pita it was :/ [14:41] android 4.3 didn't work with mic in skype or something [14:41] so i have to use android 4.2.2 [14:41] yeah, the new phones have the latest CM available via just outright play store pretty much [14:41] but it's getting to the point where i just don't care [14:41] that's mostly why i chose a specific phone [14:41] i don't want to run 30 exes with boot loaders and unlocking and modifying all that [14:41] i have a cheap ebay phone [14:41] i think it was $135 usd? [14:42] but it has flash [14:42] and fits in my existing car cradle [14:42] and has 2 day battery life. [14:42] in all seriousness though, if youre 13 and show up with a flip phone, you will be bullied and mocked until graduation by every other student [14:42] it's really messed up [14:42] that being said zero tolerance policies are dumb too [14:43] i can't remember how i unlocked, but i think there was some manufacturer bypass you could opt in to or something [14:43] If you're 13, you're going to be bullied and mocked by other students. [14:43] (htc desire s) [14:43] Show up with a Zack Morris phone. [14:43] who's zack morris [14:43] when was 13 people used to trade warez on floppies [14:43] I knew you wouldn't get the reference. [14:44] http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgfcidcKLE1qh3qkyo1_500.jpg [14:45] the hell is that [14:45] oh god [14:45] not him [14:45] Only cool kids had cellphones back then. [14:45] he's from saved from the bell [14:45] Actually, people only had pagers. [14:45] Nobody had a cellphone. [14:46] i had a pager before i had a cellphone [14:46] it would beep when the battery got low [14:46] but at least it was much longer battery life than cellphones [14:46] i think pagers are better in some ways [14:46] And they would have codes for what sequences of numbers meant, since you could only send digits. [14:46] it's kind of a pity they've fallen out of fashion [14:47] oh i had an alphanumeric pager [14:47] dumb but serious question, did people write calculator upside down 'boobies' on pagers [14:47] hazardous: nope [14:47] it cost money to send pages. [14:47] wha [14:47] EACH one? [14:47] 80087355 [14:47] yeh [14:48] how did pagers work anyway, cant have been push notifications or something [14:48] brb google [14:48] hazardous: one way communication [14:48] actually better question [14:48] what did you guys do without google [14:48] it just broadcast pages everywhere [14:48] "hmm.. what is ___________" [14:48] Alta Vista. [14:48] if it wasn't swithced on you wouildn't get it [14:48] and you just not know what it is? [14:48] They were sort of a waste of money. [14:48] CaZe: how so? [14:48] I mean unless you were a doctor or something. [14:48] hazardous: well you tended to remember who knew things. [14:49] mercutio: For kids in high school. [14:49] i used to get asked how to spell things sometimes :/ [14:49] actually i still get asked hmm [14:49] Also, the encyclopedia. [14:49] heh boring! [14:49] You'd go to the library or something. [14:50] people remembered more boring information [14:50] i learnt how to code c from the library :/ [14:50] I read every programming book the town library had. All two of them. [14:51] hmm we had about 20 to 30 [14:51] They didn't have any book that taught unix, but they did have "The Unix Hater's Handbook". [14:51] but most sucked [14:51] i never really thought about how much the world changed with the advent of the internet and how it progressed tbh [14:51] half of you are probably less than a decade older [14:51] lots of stuff was old though [14:51] but with much much different childhood experiences [14:51] it's just kind of strange [14:51] hazardous: You mean the Web? [14:51] something something bbs [14:51] Well, you didn't have access to as much useless information. [14:52] And the information that was really important tended to just be close by. [14:52] It was mostly porn. Pictures of cats didn't replace porn until the mid-2000s. [14:52] like me and every one of my friends quite literally never knew a life before reasonably always on internet [14:52] i can't imagine not knowing something, not being able to saerchengine it and having to ask someone or plan a trip to the library or something [14:52] it's just so foreign [14:53] Plus, without smart phones, if we didn't know it while we were out, we simply didn't know it. [14:53] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R7QNld-gq9s/TE4u3VmuORI/AAAAAAAAACI/yQBwD9K94J8/s1600/shoe-icon-wtf-sm.jpg [14:54] If you found that sticker on your new shoes, and you wanted to know what it meant, you'd probably go to the shoe store and ask them. [14:54] And if it wasn't worth the trip, then you didn't find out. [14:55] There were fewer armchair "experts". [14:56] one of my classmates referred to an irc channel as 'hashtag wordpress' last week, that was amusing [14:57] A review for Slack (a hosted IRC thingie) referred to channels as "like hashtags". [14:58] well yeah, that would be the only way people would know what you were talking about [14:58] In college, you probably spent most of your time in the library, if you had to do any sort of research. [14:59] Well we certainly weren't on our laptops! [14:59] People didn't have computers in their dorm rooms until the early-mid nineties. You went to the computer lab if you needed to use a computer. [14:59] see that's the strange part [14:59] i'm not that young yet i still can't imagine not being able to just search stuff [15:00] like "people just went to the library and found books and couldn't ctrl-f them" is an entirely new concept to me [15:00] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [15:00] it seems like things changed a lot more from 80s -> 90s or something than the other decades or w/e [15:00] Well, they tend to have indices. [15:01] Also, the dewey decimal system. [15:11] hazardous: you make me sad... [15:11] :( [15:11] "how do pagers work" lol [15:16] I know things are foreign to you... but your foreignness is foreign to me :p [15:16] Well... depends on the size of mp3 :P 14:31:10 < mercutio> it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous. [15:17] dialup :( [15:19] I had a second phone line just for dialup, and I still remember the number [15:19] I used to dial back into my own mgetty instance [15:20] Even growing up without always-on Internet, it's strange to look back upon [15:20] To think "I disconnected so that I could dial in" is weird [15:20] I would also stick another modem on our first line and do multilink [15:20]