#arpnetworks 2014-05-21,Wed

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Who	What	When
up_the_irons	....aaaand that's the 8th box to be upgraded to 12.04 LTS	[01:01]
mercutio	hmm doesn't seem kvr15 hjas yet has	[01:06]
up_the_irons	not yet Hivelocity says they fixed some stuff; those having problems should check now	[01:09]
mercutio	ahh looks like it works now	[01:10]
	thanks for emailing them	[01:21]
up_the_irons	cool	[01:27]
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nadeu	Hello If i buy a VPS what is time for announce a /23?	[05:47]
RandalSchwartz	are there that many ipv4 left in the world? :)	[05:48]
nadeu	91.235.40.0/23 :) We awaiting for Moln.is support, but it's a shit.	[05:49]
RandalSchwartz	send email to support@arpnetworks.com .. you should get a response within a day	[05:50]
nadeu	Yeah, but we need to announce today :)	[05:50]
RandalSchwartz	so you'd route your traffic here, and then tunnel to your real location?	[05:50]
nadeu	Yeah to our DC	[05:51]
RandalSchwartz	why do you still have that many IPs? are you doing SSL?	[05:51]
nadeu	Nope, VirtualServers, and much more :)	[05:52]
RandalSchwartz	so you'd effectively be competing with Arp? good luck on that. :(	[05:52]
nadeu	Nope, for private use :) [admin@MANPepV-OW-CCR] > /tool traceroute arpnetworks.com use-dns=yes # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV STATUS 1 10.1.1.142 0% 4 3ms 2.9 2.1 3.3 0.5 http://pastebin.com/FKjRSGqv	[05:52]
RandalSchwartz	why not just buy transit from he.net or something?	[05:59]
nadeu	because we setup MPLS over EoIP and we set-up an anycasted network optimizing routes per carriers and sources	[06:00]
RandalSchwartz	sounds like that'd be hard to do if it was all tunneled through ARP	[06:00]
nadeu	We have other tunnels with Cogent, per example.	[06:07]
kevr	hm..	[06:18]
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hazardous	i would rather be interested in why you would want 200ms of latency on all traffic and what you would do with a /23 on a single vm for "virtual servers"	[08:11]
RandalSchwartz	yeah - that's what confused me too just buy transit on he.net or something also the lack of planning of getting a /23 without also having a place to host it. :0	[08:11]
hazardous	i don't think this is the place for you extlbwlarn.com has address 91.235.41.103 extlbwlarn.com mail is handled by 10 qioe103.extlbwlarn.com. horasdqen.com has address 91.235.41.101 horasdqen.com mail is handled by 10 ztio101.horasdqen.com.	[08:14]
RandalSchwartz	oh - bad company?	[08:14]
hazardous	aszdubiosher.com has address 91.235.41.98 aszdubiosher.com mail is handled by 10 vyu98.aszdubiosher.com. at least none of those look like anything i'd want to host the entire 41.0/24 has domains that seem to be random smashing on keyboard	[08:14]
RandalSchwartz	hmm. that smells. I wonder if any of those IPs are in the spam RBLs oh yeah... nice hits ... http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a91.235.41.98&run=toolpage	[08:16]
hazardous	RandalSchwartz: http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence swap 99 for 100, 101, etc in url lol there's spamtrapped stuff from even days ago	[08:28]
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hazardous	and he's gone it's more fun when people are less obvious about "i need a /23 TODAY, immediately, on a single vps"	[08:31]
CaZe	What do you think he wanted it for?	[08:34]
hazardous	i would have suggested dropping all mail ports for his vm probably the /23 he listed is blacklisted by multiple, looks like it sends weight loss pill / diabeetes pills / DIY weight loss spam	[08:35]
mike-burns	The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome. I can't imagine this happening on a VPS without a dedicated IRC channel.	[08:37]
hazardous	i mean he can't even pull the "it was a long time ago and we forgot to get it fixed" - look at dates on http://psbl.org/evidence?ip=91.235.41.99&action=Check+evidence	[08:38]
staticsafe	even SSL isn't a valid excuse for IPs anymore	[08:38]
hazardous	you can cycle through like .70 to .100 and hit check evidence for all of them they all have at best a few days old stuff	[08:39]
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RandalSchwartz	I bet he needed new hosting urgently to keep the money flowing	[09:38]
brycec	Probably. And #arpnetworks asked too many questions, yay	[09:39]
RandalSchwartz	well - right, who needs a /23 for a simple VPS	[09:42]
brycec	I admit, sometimes I'm annoyed at having a /30... but I get over it (not worth $$ for more, plus I have a /48) A whole damn /23 though...	[09:43]
RandalSchwartz	I have a /28 for IPv4 and about 5 IPv6 /48's :)	[09:43]
brycec	I knew a guy who ran a hosting company with a /24, and that was more than enough My office has a /28 at least (and it's about 1 IP shy of what I need, but I make do with port forwarding) I only have 3 /48's :/	[09:43]
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up_the_irons	"@mike-burns \| The fact that we prevented a spammer from joining the VPS is awesome." i have to say, that is quite awesome you guys rock as a rule of thumb, whenever I hear, "i need something RIGHT NOW, can you do it?", it means they were just shit canned by their current provider and are down. i divert those away.	[11:55]
staticsafe	yeah, good rule	[11:56]
RandalSchwartz	it just smelled. smelled bad. why bring a /23 of traffic here just to tunnel it somewhere else?	[12:01]
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up_the_irons	RandalSchwartz: that's actually more common than you think; i have several VPS w/ BGP customers that do that, but for legit purposes	[12:38]
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mercutio	i reckon it's cool arp does bgp to vps's	[13:24]
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up_the_irons	many say they can't find it anywhere else	[13:43]
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brycec	If anyone was wondering about my shitty Internet issue... Turns out a server I'd recently been given and told "here, host this" was running unpatched NTP and contributing to a DDoS. :( That on top of another known TWC issue (narrow tubes serving me) lead to extreme lag and packet loss. And now I get to figure out why my traffic shaping didn't work as expected... I suspect because it was a flood of connections, rather than any one connection Hey up_the_irons thanks again for the searchable channel logs.	[14:16]
up_the_irons	np :)	[14:21]
hazardous	<nadeu> because we setup MPLS over EoIP <nadeu> and we set-up an anycasted network i'm reasonably sure that doesn't even make sense at least for this situation	[14:21]
mercutio	brycec: damn	[14:21]
brycec	mercutio: yeah, i feel horrible about contributing :(	[14:22]
mercutio	apparently snmp is being hit now days too	[14:22]
hazardous	mercutio: i'm seeing some chargen too, it's really weird	[14:22]
mercutio	what's chargen?	[14:22]
brycec	mercutio: character generator	[14:22]
mercutio	is that echo service?	[14:22]
hazardous	obviously a protocol older than i am but i have literally no idea why there would be a daemon that just spews the ascii char set to you endlessly	[14:22]
mercutio	yeh echo	[14:22]
brycec	mercutio: like echo, except it just dumps characters at you without stop	[14:22]
mercutio	it was a legacy thing for testing i imagine oh real wow	[14:22]
brycec	Yeah think it was just testing @wiki chargen	[14:23]
mercutio	like iperf :)	[14:23]
BryceBot	Character Generator Protocol :: The Character Generator Protocol (CHARGEN) is a service of the Internet Protocol Suite defined in RFC 864 in 1983 by Jon Postel. It is intended for testing, debugging, and measurement purposes. The protocol is rarely used, as its design flaws allow ready misuse. A host may connect to a server that supports the Character Generator Protocol on either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character%20Generator%20Protocol	[14:23]
mercutio	in udp mode	[14:23]
brycec	there is, testing, debugging, measurement *there it is:	[14:23]
hazardous	yeah, i can't imagine the amplification from responding to a single udp packet with "endlessly spewing characters"	[14:23]
mercutio	i doubt anything is on fast links with it but you never know old unix of various kinds used to have heaps of telnet etc vulnerabilities	[14:23]
hazardous	my friend runs a minecraft server (i don't play, but occasionally have to fix crap) apparently some .edu's have printers with chargen running that isn't really a slow link	[14:23]
brycec	Go HP	[14:24]
mercutio	but now days people seem to be more keen to ddos than hack	[14:24]
hazardous	though i do want to know why the hell printers have outward internet public ips	[14:24]
mercutio	well the majority	[14:24]
brycec	hazardous: most printers have 10mbps links at least	[14:24]
mercutio	i think hacking isn't "cool" any more	[14:24]
mike-burns	That's a shame.	[14:24]
hazardous	2014 hacking: ex-gf left her facebook logged in	[14:24]
brycec	brycec maintains his coolness truth, hazardous	[14:24]
mercutio	hazardous: oh actually sthat stuff gets worse people hacking gf's computers etc think they might be cheating stick key logger on	[14:24]
brycec	"omg I'm such a haxor!"	[14:25]
mercutio	does anyone remember back orifice?	[14:25]
mike-burns	Gone are the days of trying to get into the Gibson for fun. Now it's all about personal attacks.	[14:25]
mercutio	that sounds dirty. people used to use it to eject peoples cd trays etc send it through in email usually	[14:25]
hazardous	oh i have a weird question that's been in the back of my head for like a year what's a "porn dialer" i don't understand how those two words fit together, or what a dialer is	[14:26]
mercutio	dials charge numbers. of legit services to make extra money using modem	[14:26]
hazardous	but how? voip?	[14:27]
mercutio	nah modem	[14:27]
CaZe	A trojan that would make your modem dial 1-900 numbers.	[14:27]
hazardous	i don't understand how that makes sense	[14:27]
brycec	reverse phone charges, I assume	[14:27]
mercutio	it's old school	[14:27]
CaZe	POTS modem	[14:27]
hazardous	don't most places auto block 900-*	[14:27]
mercutio	there were also ones that rung expensive countries not for home users normally	[14:27]
brycec	Not to mention there are some phone exchanges that cost more	[14:27]
mercutio	yeh brycec that happened too	[14:28]
RandalSchwartz	809 area code, for example	[14:28]
mercutio	oh international	[14:28]
RandalSchwartz	that's technically an international call but it looks local	[14:28]
hazardous	but.. computers don't come with POTS modems	[14:28]
brycec	hazardous: they used to hazardous: people used to dial-up for Internet access	[14:28]
RandalSchwartz	... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_Dominican_Republic	[14:28]
BryceBot	Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic :: Area code 809 redirects here. 809 once covered Bermuda and many islands in the Caribbean which have since been allocated their own codes; see Area codes in the Caribbean for more details. Telephone numbers in the Dominican Republic use area code 809 with 829 and 849 as overlay codes. Telecommunications in the Dominican Republic use the North American Numbering Plan (NANP) country code, 1, followed b	[14:28]
mercutio	haz: these things are dated	[14:28]
brycec	And when they weren't connected, a virus could use the modem	[14:29]
mercutio	was all the rage in 96 or something	[14:29]
brycec	^	[14:29]
hazardous	that's weird why would the DR use +1	[14:29]
CaZe	I once made my friend's modem dial 911.	[14:29]
mercutio	i was still running a bbs in 96 no net for me	[14:29]
brycec	And with this retro/nostalgia, I'm going to go get lunch finally.	[14:29]
RandalSchwartz	so people will get caller-id of 809 that doesn't leave message, call back, and by arrangement with DR phone company, get a portion of the LD charges like a 900 call	[14:29]
brycec	hazardous: because they're under the "north american numbering plan"	[14:29]
CaZe	The police showed up at his door while he was sleeping.	[14:29]
hazardous	did he get mad at you	[14:29]
brycec	did he know it was you? ;p	[14:29]
CaZe	I didn't tell him until much later.	[14:29]
hazardous	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNELF1GCUAExynU.png:large	[14:30]
CaZe	No, he didn't.	[14:30]
mercutio	we used to have this interconnect thing here, where providers would pay each other for going between each other	[14:30]
hazardous	i'm working on something that appears to have turned into this	[14:30]
CaZe	I was actually trying to make it call his office during the day.	[14:30]
mercutio	and most people were with the bigger provider	[14:30]
mike-burns	Ha.	[14:30]
mercutio	so isp's started using the smaller provider, and the smaller provider paid per minute of connected time.	[14:30]
CaZe	So at work, he'd get a call from his house, and his phone number would show up on his caller id.	[14:30]
mercutio	so they got cheap phone lines, and per minute credit.	[14:30]
hazardous	man	[14:30]
mercutio	which brought about free isp's too.	[14:30]
CaZe	And he'd be like, "Who the fuck is in my house?"	[14:31]
hazardous	the internet was bizarre in the early days glad i wasn't alive then	[14:31]
mercutio	it was like 2 cents a minute or something not heaps but adds up	[14:31]
hazardous	hours for a mp3 download is a completely foreign concept	[14:31]
mercutio	it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous. mp3's weren't around before 56k modems were common.	[14:31]
hazardous	what was that thing people used long ago uh realplayer?	[14:31]
CaZe	But it didn't work.	[14:31]
mike-burns	MIDI?	[14:31]
mercutio	people used realplayer.	[14:31]
RandalSchwartz	that's how the "free phone forwarding" used to work	[14:31]
mercutio	mod! amiga mod files :) often 300k or less for a song.	[14:31]
hazardous	i don't understand the realplayer buffering joke either, i mean back then i would have assumed everything on earth would buffer the same amount	[14:32]
CaZe	I thought it was because it was too many digits to fit in the exploit string.	[14:32]
RandalSchwartz	made enough money being an (I think they called it) IXC that they paid for the equipment	[14:32]
mike-burns	I had Metallica's "...And Justice for All" as MIDI files.	[14:32]
CaZe	So I tried it with a shorter number -- 911.	[14:32]
mercutio	mike-burns: there were heaps of versions of that	[14:32]
RandalSchwartz	maybe it was ilc	[14:33]
mercutio	oh there was also automated dialers that would ring every phone number sequentialyl to see if a modem was on the other end	[14:33]
hazardous	back in the day we only had 6mbps adsl and we liked it!	[14:33]
mercutio	but lots of people have phone numbers next to each other with multiple lines, so all their phones would ring soon after each other and they'd get really pissy	[14:33]
mike-burns	When I was 17 I left a FreeBSD computer connected to the Internet with anonymous FTP upload enabled. I learned a lesson real quickly.	[14:34]
mercutio	and complain to phone company, who was never very useful about such things. mike hah when i was 17 there was a library with dialup catalogue and friends had figured out that you could ^Z or such something and get lynx and browse the net at 14.4k they only had 14.4k modem	[14:34]
hazardous	mike-burns: porn or warez	[14:35]
mercutio	the catalogue was really handy though	[14:35]
mike-burns	warez, sadly.	[14:35]
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mercutio	mm i've been hearing lately that a whole lot of kids have got iphones etc now days. even like 13 year olds etc.	[14:36]
hazardous	what EVERYONE at 13 has a smartphone usually starts around grade 2-3	[14:36]
mercutio	but iphones?	[14:36]
hazardous	yes	[14:37]
mercutio	like expensive phones.	[14:37]
hazardous	there is virtually no one at 13 without one or they get mocked by everyone else kids are terrible	[14:37]
mercutio	it's pretty strange :) i don't want to carry around a really expensive phone	[14:37]
hazardous	usually the cheaper androids around age 8 or so	[14:37]
mercutio	and i'm consdierably older than 13.	[14:37]
hazardous	iphones start around maybe grade 5-6 iirc most of those baby push strollres also have ipad mounts now too	[14:37]
mercutio	i've dropped phones multiple times. they've been fine. but i've heard about people droppign phones in toilets etc by accident i prefer android anyway myself :/ not that i like it	[14:38]
hazardous	i prefer android too i remember my first phone as a kid was like android 1.6, and awful gotten much better nowadays	[14:38]
mercutio	but like i'm already starting to realise i'm going to struggle to keep up soon :)	[14:39]
hazardous	i really don't use much as weird as it is	[14:39]
mercutio	your first phone was a smart phone?	[14:39]
hazardous	yeah late primary school	[14:39]
mike-burns	My first phone was a smart phone. I was 25.	[14:39]
mercutio	i didn't even own a cellphone until 2001.	[14:39]
hazardous	my phone now is basically a browser, ssh, remote desktop i don't get why people would want to watch movies on a 5" screen	[14:39]
mercutio	heh	[14:40]
hazardous	so i don't really keep up with the biggest and best	[14:40]
mercutio	it's the sound quality that would hold it back for me	[14:40]
hazardous	cyanogenmod is a one-tap install when connected by usb, no screwing around needed allows tethering too now that major US carriers do DPI for tether traffic	[14:40]
mercutio	i think i'm using cyanogenmod or a fork	[14:40]
hazardous	and will automatically charge per megabyte or worse	[14:40]
mercutio	i can't remember	[14:40]
hazardous	i'm already paying for capped, x gb per month	[14:40]
mercutio	i tried looking around more a bit later	[14:41]
hazardous	and they want extra $40/m for tethering allow fuck that	[14:41]
mercutio	and thgen i remembered how much of a pita it was :/ android 4.3 didn't work with mic in skype or something so i have to use android 4.2.2	[14:41]
hazardous	yeah, the new phones have the latest CM available via just outright play store pretty much	[14:41]
mercutio	but it's getting to the point where i just don't care	[14:41]
hazardous	that's mostly why i chose a specific phone i don't want to run 30 exes with boot loaders and unlocking and modifying all that	[14:41]
mercutio	i have a cheap ebay phone i think it was $135 usd? but it has flash and fits in my existing car cradle and has 2 day battery life.	[14:41]
hazardous	in all seriousness though, if youre 13 and show up with a flip phone, you will be bullied and mocked until graduation by every other student it's really messed up that being said zero tolerance policies are dumb too	[14:42]
mercutio	i can't remember how i unlocked, but i think there was some manufacturer bypass you could opt in to or something	[14:43]
mike-burns	If you're 13, you're going to be bullied and mocked by other students.	[14:43]
mercutio	(htc desire s)	[14:43]
CaZe	Show up with a Zack Morris phone.	[14:43]
hazardous	who's zack morris	[14:43]
mercutio	when was 13 people used to trade warez on floppies	[14:43]
CaZe	I knew you wouldn't get the reference. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgfcidcKLE1qh3qkyo1_500.jpg	[14:43]
hazardous	the hell is that	[14:45]
mercutio	oh god not him	[14:45]
CaZe	Only cool kids had cellphones back then.	[14:45]
mercutio	he's from saved from the bell	[14:45]
CaZe	Actually, people only had pagers. Nobody had a cellphone.	[14:45]
mercutio	i had a pager before i had a cellphone it would beep when the battery got low but at least it was much longer battery life than cellphones i think pagers are better in some ways	[14:46]
CaZe	And they would have codes for what sequences of numbers meant, since you could only send digits.	[14:46]
mercutio	it's kind of a pity they've fallen out of fashion oh i had an alphanumeric pager	[14:46]
hazardous	dumb but serious question, did people write calculator upside down 'boobies' on pagers	[14:47]
mercutio	hazardous: nope it cost money to send pages.	[14:47]
hazardous	wha EACH one?	[14:47]
CaZe	80087355	[14:47]
mercutio	yeh	[14:47]
hazardous	how did pagers work anyway, cant have been push notifications or something brb google	[14:48]
mercutio	hazardous: one way communication	[14:48]
hazardous	actually better question what did you guys do without google	[14:48]
mercutio	it just broadcast pages everywhere	[14:48]
hazardous	"hmm.. what is ___________"	[14:48]
mike-burns	Alta Vista.	[14:48]
mercutio	if it wasn't swithced on you wouildn't get it	[14:48]
hazardous	and you just not know what it is?	[14:48]
CaZe	They were sort of a waste of money.	[14:48]
mercutio	CaZe: how so?	[14:48]
CaZe	I mean unless you were a doctor or something.	[14:48]
mercutio	hazardous: well you tended to remember who knew things.	[14:48]
CaZe	mercutio: For kids in high school.	[14:49]
mercutio	i used to get asked how to spell things sometimes :/ actually i still get asked hmm	[14:49]
mike-burns	Also, the encyclopedia.	[14:49]
mercutio	heh boring!	[14:49]
CaZe	You'd go to the library or something.	[14:49]
mercutio	people remembered more boring information i learnt how to code c from the library :/	[14:50]
mike-burns	I read every programming book the town library had. All two of them.	[14:50]
mercutio	hmm we had about 20 to 30	[14:51]
mike-burns	They didn't have any book that taught unix, but they did have "The Unix Hater's Handbook".	[14:51]
mercutio	but most sucked	[14:51]
hazardous	i never really thought about how much the world changed with the advent of the internet and how it progressed tbh half of you are probably less than a decade older	[14:51]
mercutio	lots of stuff was old though	[14:51]
hazardous	but with much much different childhood experiences it's just kind of strange	[14:51]
mike-burns	hazardous: You mean the Web?	[14:51]
hazardous	something something bbs	[14:51]
CaZe	Well, you didn't have access to as much useless information. And the information that was really important tended to just be close by.	[14:51]
mike-burns	It was mostly porn. Pictures of cats didn't replace porn until the mid-2000s.	[14:52]
hazardous	like me and every one of my friends quite literally never knew a life before reasonably always on internet i can't imagine not knowing something, not being able to saerchengine it and having to ask someone or plan a trip to the library or something it's just so foreign	[14:52]
mike-burns	Plus, without smart phones, if we didn't know it while we were out, we simply didn't know it.	[14:53]
CaZe	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R7QNld-gq9s/TE4u3VmuORI/AAAAAAAAACI/yQBwD9K94J8/s1600/shoe-icon-wtf-sm.jpg If you found that sticker on your new shoes, and you wanted to know what it meant, you'd probably go to the shoe store and ask them. And if it wasn't worth the trip, then you didn't find out.	[14:53]
mike-burns	There were fewer armchair "experts".	[14:55]
hazardous	one of my classmates referred to an irc channel as 'hashtag wordpress' last week, that was amusing	[14:56]
mike-burns	A review for Slack (a hosted IRC thingie) referred to channels as "like hashtags".	[14:57]
hazardous	well yeah, that would be the only way people would know what you were talking about	[14:58]
CaZe	In college, you probably spent most of your time in the library, if you had to do any sort of research.	[14:58]
mike-burns	Well we certainly weren't on our laptops!	[14:59]
CaZe	People didn't have computers in their dorm rooms until the early-mid nineties. You went to the computer lab if you needed to use a computer.	[14:59]
hazardous	see that's the strange part i'm not that young yet i still can't imagine not being able to just search stuff like "people just went to the library and found books and couldn't ctrl-f them" is an entirely new concept to me	[14:59]
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hazardous	it seems like things changed a lot more from 80s -> 90s or something than the other decades or w/e	[15:00]
CaZe	Well, they tend to have indices. Also, the dewey decimal system.	[15:00]
brycec	hazardous: you make me sad...	[15:11]
hazardous	:(	[15:11]
brycec	"how do pagers work" lol	[15:11]
	I know things are foreign to you... but your foreignness is foreign to me :p Well... depends on the size of mp3 :P 14:31:10 < mercutio> it never took hours to download a mp3 hazardous.	[15:16]
staticsafe	dialup :(	[15:17]
brycec	I had a second phone line just for dialup, and I still remember the number I used to dial back into my own mgetty instance Even growing up without always-on Internet, it's strange to look back upon To think "I disconnected so that I could dial in" is weird I would also stick another modem on our first line and do multilink	[15:19]
staticsafe	fancy	[15:20]
brycec	Why thank you :) I wasn't always so fancy, I started out just like many, many others - a single phone line and AOL	[15:21]
staticsafe	i didn't get always-on internet until I moved to Canada	[15:22]
brycec	I eventually had always-dialed-up Internet	[15:23]
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m0unds	i remember the number for my dial up internet phone line too AOL + USRobotics external 28.8 modem	[18:03]
up_the_irons	USRobotics +1	[18:06]
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brycec	USR +2 I still have my USR 56k modem too, and still use it for dial-in (before the move, I still had a 14.4 too)	[18:38]
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up_the_irons	nice	[18:55]
mercutio	usb? :)	[18:57]
brycec	Both are serial are/were "somewhere" i have an Apple USB modem, i think.	[18:57]
RandalSchwartz	I think I donated the two or three I had to some landfill. :)	[18:58]
mercutio	i was going to try and buy an old mac but it's hard to get the ethernet adapters well transceivers	[19:01]
brycec	mercutio: The AUI-Ethernet adapters?	[19:01]
mercutio	aaui it's not normal transceiver it seems	[19:01]
brycec	TIL	[19:02]
mercutio	this is 68k mac i'm taklnig about :)	[19:02]
brycec	Sadly, my one is in-use I have a 7100 and a 7200 aka a Nubus and a PCI	[19:02]
mercutio	was thinking quadra 700 before or quadra 610 which i imagine are older don't know if have nubus or not 7200 looks modern	[19:03]
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mercutio	powerpc	[19:05]
brycec	Yeah it's relatively modern, and supported by YDL	[19:06]
mercutio	i tred 68k netbsd on amiga 68030	[19:07]
brycec	The 7100 is much more limited, on account of its nubus architecture	[19:07]
mercutio	it was damn slow	[19:07]
brycec	pfft 90mhz is plenty	[19:07]
mercutio	and i've tried openbsdo n a old sparc before and that was pretty slow too	[19:07]
brycec	oh the 68k	[19:07]
mercutio	yeh	[19:07]
brycec	Nothing compared to my IIgs :D 2.8MHz	[19:07]
mercutio	heh i'm not trynig to get slower :) i got 128mb ram stick for my amiga today haven' tried it yet but i enver heard of people having that much ram back in the day	[19:13]
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mercutio	that's basically the time when software started getting inefficient	[19:21]
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RandalSchwartz	big upgrade for my Arp VPS this weekend conservatively upgrading from FBSD 8.3 to 8.4, but also need to upgrade Perl from 5.10 to 5.16 and I'm gonna switch to pkgng, and begin using poudeire to build packages I presume the 8.4 FBSD ISO is still available for mount :) Oooh... there might not be an ISO mounted there... looks like up_the_irons forcibly removed my mounted 8.3 this scares ms wait... if it's loaded I should be able to mount it.	[19:41]
up_the_irons	why would i remove it? haven't touched your stuff	[19:46]
RandalSchwartz	because it's past EOL :) ok	[19:46]
up_the_irons	so	[19:46]
RandalSchwartz	if all goes well this weekend, my second system will have been for naught.	[19:47]
up_the_irons	there's tons of EOL stuff in people's ISOs :)	[19:47]
RandalSchwartz	ok just can't pick it any more in the popup	[19:47]
up_the_irons	i can add it if you need it; just send a ticket on another note, the ThinkPad X240's look nice	[19:47]
RandalSchwartz	well.. if it's alreasdy in teh drive... I should be able to boot from it	[19:48]
up_the_irons	up_the_irons still needs a new laptop	[19:48]
RandalSchwartz	is there some mount command I can type to see?	[19:48]
up_the_irons	forgot how freebsd names it	[19:48]
RandalSchwartz	would that be /dev/acd0 ?	[19:48]
up_the_irons	mount /dev/cd0 /mnt/ or w/e	[19:48]
RandalSchwartz	I think I need to say it's an 9660 somewhere cd9660 yeah - acd0 is still the 8.3 iso cool	[19:49]
up_the_irons	cool	[19:55]
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RandalSchwartz	mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0 /media # for your future notes	[19:56]
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brycec	I'm not sure which would take less time - finding an IPAM I like, or writing my own :(	[21:45]
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up_the_irons	RandalSchwartz: mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /media # I think this works too	[22:55]
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