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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=network+outage+ge-0-7-0-24.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net
comes up with: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2013-09-18,Wed&text=on ***: mjp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) brycec: (fwiw nothing showing on my smokeping over the last 12ish hours)(but they've left anyways...) m0unds: haha
haven't noticed any issues for a while
comcast just deployed some new gear in my area, so i've been seeing +/- .7ms or so to arp for the last few days -: brycec is having major TWC issues this a.m. :( brycec: (but it might also be my own gear at fault)
(either way, I'm seeing 300+ms to the cable modem 2 feet away) m0unds: booooo brycec: Honestly, this graph is fucking hilarious https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=Slaves.cobrycesmokepingslave
(particularly @ 12hrs viwe)
https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?displaymode=n;start=2014-05-18%2021:46;end=now;target=Slaves.cobrycesmokepingslave ***: mjp has joined #arpnetworks m0unds: whoa
looks like it's trying to draw something, haha jpalmer: looks like a lie detector, to me.
and, the network is LYING! ***: Konata has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)
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mjp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) up_the_irons: mnathani: for larger amounts of ram, you need registered. udimm's can still certainly be used in servers. all our dedi's have udimm's, but the are of course ECC too. we don't need rdimm's on the dedi's b/c ram count is not too high mnathani: up_the_irons: thanks up_the_irons: np ***: Konata has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...) mnathani: up_the_irons: How do you manage IP address assignments across ARP Networks customers? Spreadsheet, or something more elegant?
Perhaps something like phpIPAM up_the_irons: mnathani: internal app i wrote. uses rfc 3531 allocation method (can be used on ipv4 also). parts of it are somewhere on my github.
the "spreadsheet method" lost scale long ago ;) mnathani: your app take care of historic VLAN assignments as well? up_the_irons: historic?
it takes care of vlan assignments; not sure what you mean by historic mnathani: over time, like presently vlan 10 is assigned to a range, but before that it used to be vlan 20 etc CaZe: What if you get a subpoena for an IP that ended service like six months ago? mnathani: as customer turn over takes place up_the_irons: it does not keep history like that, no. i have rancid on all my switches, so if i really wanted to see the past, i could pull it up via CVS (ick, i know)
CaZe: you would respond to the court and say the IP is no longer in use mercutio: registered ram is actually cheaper at least on ebay
and you can get bigger sticks
up to 16gb on ddr3 i think, which is how people get 192gb of ram etc
(6 per cpu) up_the_irons: yeah udimm's can be more expensive mercutio: well ecc udimms can be at least
looks like 8gb cost a bit more still up_the_irons: yeah i meant ecc hazardous: hi nerds!!! -: hazardous hugs channel RandalSchwartz: geek. not nerd
no pocket protector here mercutio: sure sure :") RandalSchwartz: oh - I admit... I used to have an HP41C attached to my belt. but never a pocket protector. -: RandalSchwartz wonders how many people in channel will be googling HP41C to see what it was.
novae googled it
CaZe wonders how many people in the channel didn't have to google it to know what it was up_the_irons: lol mercutio: it's a calculator isn't it?
with reverse polish notation?
oh shit now i must be a nerd RandalSchwartz: a hospital, what is it! mercutio: up_the_irons: did hivelocity ever update saying anything more than they'd look into it? up_the_irons: no mercutio: it's still down it seems. up_the_irons: bang on their door mercutio: heh
i'm not a customer of theirs
but you never know up_the_irons: still, noc's get emails from the outside all the time
anyway, i've just disabled their session
(just now)
no point leaving up something broken that they don't seem to care to fix mercutio: ahh ok
it still looks the same sdo far
10.10.10.6 is last hop
did people start using the new ip adddress block much yet?
for coresite up_the_irons: everyone has migrated mercutio: ahh ok
is 10.10.10.6 your peering box? up_the_irons: oh crap, they send routes over any2easy too mercutio: ahh up_the_irons: not as easy to filter
i could do it, just not now mercutio: is this a reverse path filter issue?
with assymetric routing RandalSchwartz: this weekend.... is upgrade weekend!
just gonna use csup to get from 8.3 to 8.4
minimal ruisk mercutio: freebsd? RandalSchwartz: but I also have to go from perl 5.10 to 5.16 :)
yeah
also upgrading to pkgng mercutio: cautious :) RandalSchwartz: and probably installing poudeiere to do my package building from now on -: brycec didn't have to google it... I had an HP-48 mercutio: i haven't seen perl being that annoying recently with upgrades
not compared to in the past
php is still nasty though :) RandalSchwartz: yeah - I have a half dozen bsdpan though
hopefully none of them have XS mercutio: it's a bit disconcerting how much stuff doesn't support python3 RandalSchwartz: hmm. WTF. IO::Tty is bsdpan? brycec: Real schism in the Python world, with python3 RandalSchwartz: should be able to replace that with a real port mercutio: at least python 2.7 still seems to be supported and you can have both at once
arch linux changed /usr/bin/python or whatever to point to python3
it's a way to break a lot of things. RandalSchwartz: awesome - http://www.freshports.org/devel/p5-IO-Tty/
so zero bsdpan now mercutio: cool. RandalSchwartz: probably have to force-install since it'll have to overwrite the bsdpan stuff mercutio: up_the_irons: is level3 capacity up yet btw? up_the_irons: ok, i created a "bad peer" filter and now hivelocity routes should be eradicated mercutio: well route changed and it's not working
i wonder if it's the reverse path up_the_irons: mercutio: not yet; everything is done i just need to find time to set up the vlans and turn up the sessions. There was a big delay when I requested that they renumber the vlans they gave me (cuz I had them already in use) mercutio: it's going via AS11799 now up_the_irons: oh god
so yeah, bgp collective picked it up mercutio: well that's from whois up_the_irons: and they probably have the exact same problem mercutio: err reverse lookup even
hahaha
shit
you'd think hivelocity would fix it then
cos surely it's affecting lots of people up_the_irons: yeah mercutio: i do wonder about the vlan thing
4096 vlans isn't many
it's easy to get clashes up_the_irons: happens all the time mercutio: and vlan over vlan is a stupid way to go about things :)
hmm, here vlans are done because there's often national/international split etc
but is there any reason it actually needs to be tagged for you? brycec: Good point... I don't see why it couldn't be handed off un-tagged, mercutio: i can see lots of reasons in general bryce :)
i normally advocate tagging...
like there may be a different vlan to send ddos blocks brycec: tagging is swell, but I figure when it comes to the handoff of a single connection, I reckon they could hand it off un-tagged and let you absorb it as you wish, tag it on your switch, etc mercutio: also you can do the thing of having two vlans that talk to different routers
that share the same bandwidth allotment
so you plug into switch that then plugs into two routers
which means you have switch as point of failure rather than router
but then you have two switches and two cables, if you want to fix that
but then it's normally failover only, and each router can talk normally, so you can use both routers for transit
and only in the case of switch failure switch cables
and pay for bandwidth allotment rather than two up_the_irons: mercutio: brycec : it's handed off tagged b/c i request 2 separate sessions (for redundancy) mercutio: ahh cool, well that's a good enough reason to me :) -: brycec nods mercutio: bgp is so slow when sessions go down staticsafe: yes mercutio: with all the talk of ddos and 10 gigabit+ links etc
bgp still takes ages to converge easymac: some carriers run bfd with their customers mercutio: *cough*
that can make it worse easymac: how so? mercutio: bfd can lose sync
when the connection is up
esp. with ddos attacks
and means the total outage time is worse easymac: i suppose mercutio: ddos attacks are pretty common these days easymac: then what's the solution? mercutio: more common than fibre failures i imagine RandalSchwartz: upgrade from ddos to dwindows :) easymac: RandalSchwartz++ mercutio: usually it's fibre level redundancy
with link path fast failover
and redundant sessions
and redundant routing engines
but that starts getting more expensiveetc staticsafe: redundant all the things m0unds: RandalSchwartz: baahaaahaaaaa brycec: Redundancy! Load-balancing with failover!
CARP! m0unds: aw carp RandalSchwartz: carp diem
fish of the day staticsafe: the CARP drama on NANOG recently was great m0unds: i saw a lady with "carpe deim" tattooed on her back
not to be confused with carpe diem
carp drama? brycec: lol m0unds meingtsla: carp damn brycec: staticsafe: Mailing list? Link to archives? staticsafe: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-May/thread.html#66864 m0unds: i forgot to resub to nanog digest - desubbed for a bit because it was getting super spammy brycec: (I feel like this is starting in the middle of a coversation) staticsafe: hm
sec brycec: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-April/066514.html staticsafe: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-April/thread.html#66514
yeah brycec: (Yay Henning Brauer)
He's a good dev mercutio: yeah he does seem good RandalSchwartz: carp dime
10 cents a day
seize the dime! -: brycec steals RandalSchwartz's dime brycec: Wow this nong thread is godawful staticsafe: it got pretty bad yeah brycec: "So yes, the problem only exists if you are running VRRP and CARP on the same subnet and happen to have a host identifier conflict." -: brycec wonders why he's wasting so much brainpower on this mercutio: masochistic brycec: haha RandalSchwartz: the problem happens only if the moon is in the seventh house... mercutio: ryan shea is a troll
oh so is paul wall
i wonder if they're from cisco or something brycec: (Feels like Paul Wall is the bigger troll, so far) m0unds: google
haha mercutio: gmail you mean?
i don't turst people with gmail addressses :/ RandalSchwartz: better than hotmail! m0unds: no mercutio: not really
same diff
same with yahoo etc m0unds: ryan shea @ google.com brycec: Ryan Shea has a google.com address RandalSchwartz: or comcast.net m0unds: is that dude's addr
durr mercutio: have a work or personal domain brycec: except @google.com is legit, corporate google m0unds: yes RandalSchwartz: I see bizcards that list @comcast.net
and I go... WTF brycec: I'm with you RandalSchwartz m0unds: i've seen verizon.net on biz cards before RandalSchwartz: geez mercutio: exactly m0unds: or verizon.com, whichever their hsi email domain is brycec: I see sooo many doctors offices with @aol.com mercutio: it doesnt' inspsire confidence
unless it's a small individual
or small company m0unds: small in stature?
like a mouse? mercutio: that isn't internet related
but as soon as you're doing internet related stuff it's expected brycec: I love when doctors offices have a website, but email @isp/webmail.com m0unds: hahaha, yeah mercutio: haha RandalSchwartz: heh m0unds: my dentist's office recently changed from an @qwestbusiness email (or somesuch)
q.biz or something RandalSchwartz: seriously - you can't afford $7/year for a forwarding domain? :) m0unds: haha
it's really funny too when an office uses comcast biz, but they never got help configuring the hosted exchange that gets bundled w/that connection
so you see @comcast.net when they could do @domain.tld via a svc they're effectively paying for brycec: (TIL that comcastbiz comes with exchange) m0unds: yeah, it's 2007 or 2010
5 or 10 users too brycec: It's sad, we have TW-biz, and all I know is IP block we're allocated. No idea what else it comes with
(because the guy who handles the account is useless) m0unds: ah, rep w/TW? brycec: No, I meant the company owner who called TW and said "we need Internet" never passed any of the information along m0unds: just logged in to my acct to look - came with 5 accts, also some amount of sharepoint space too
oh, gotcha mercutio: i dunno why i reading the web archives of nanog
i'm subscribed m0unds: hahaha brycec: He told me that a TW guy was coming out, and the TW guy setup the cable drop and modem and handed me a piece of paper with the IP
lol mercutio mercutio: i don't read it often
it's got it's own folder m0unds: yeah, that's part of why i unsubbed
wasn't reading it because i kept seeing the same inane stuff popping up day after day mercutio: i thought it was interesting that people were talking about new zealand
but not the subject matter argh m0unds: and i couldn't be bothered to dig into it to see interesting stuff mercutio: every isp has to be registered here now m0unds: then there was some event early this year or late last year that resulted in /tons/ of digest msgs, so i unsubbed mercutio: where isp is a loose term
which basically means anyone that provides network capabilities iirc brycec: mercutio: Would a home wifi connection qualify as "ISP"? :p m0unds: hahahaha mercutio: if you sold it to your neighbours probably brycec: But if it's given away freely?
Like a coffee-shop? mercutio: no idea
coffee shops charge for internet here brycec: Ah mercutio: mcdonalds has free internet i hear
but i haven't been there
usually 3g is faster than cafe internet anyway :/ m0unds: user@goldenarches.net mercutio: most are just adsl connections
with shit routerse brycec: Ouch. I don't know about 3G, but LTE is certainly faster than every hotspot I've tried lately m0unds: i don't know the last time i used public wifi somewhere mercutio: where you have to put in some coupon code
which is annoying if you use a tablet m0unds: at&t provides their own preconfigured gateway for most attwifi hotspots in restaurants and offices and stuff
don't remember what it is, but it handles the captiveportal and network registration stuff -: brycec isn't surprised m0unds: probably a lot easier for at&t and for businesses that offer free wifi branded by at&t
haha, can't wait for verizon to start marketing "XLTE" more
FOUR GEE EX EL TEE EE ***: z310 has joined #arpnetworks m0unds: new belgium gruit is intresting - uses herbs instead of hops for bittering
junos upgrade funtiem