any network problems at arp atm?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=network+outage+ge-0-7-0-24.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net
comes up with: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2013-09-18,Wed&text=on
(fwiw nothing showing on my smokeping over the last 12ish hours)(but they've left anyways...)
haha
haven't noticed any issues for a while
comcast just deployed some new gear in my area, so i've been seeing +/- .7ms or so to arp for the last few days
(but it might also be my own gear at fault)
(either way, I'm seeing 300+ms to the cable modem 2 feet away)
booooo
Honestly, this graph is fucking hilarious https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=Slaves.cobrycesmokepingslave
(particularly @ 12hrs viwe)
https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?displaymode=n;start=2014-05-18%2021:46;end=now;target=Slaves.cobrycesmokepingslave
whoa
looks like it's trying to draw something, haha
looks like a lie detector, to me.
and,   the network is LYING!
mnathani: for larger amounts of ram, you need registered.  udimm's can still certainly be used in servers.  all our dedi's have udimm's, but the are of course ECC too.  we don't need rdimm's on the dedi's b/c ram count is not too high
up_the_irons: thanks
np
up_the_irons: How do you manage IP address assignments across ARP Networks customers? Spreadsheet, or something more elegant?
Perhaps something like phpIPAM
mnathani: internal app i wrote.  uses rfc 3531 allocation method (can be used on ipv4 also).  parts of it are somewhere on my github.
the "spreadsheet method" lost scale long ago ;)
your app take care of historic VLAN assignments as well?
historic?
it takes care of vlan assignments; not sure what you mean by historic
over time, like presently vlan 10 is assigned to a range, but before that it used to be vlan 20 etc
What if you get a subpoena for an IP that ended service like six months ago?
as customer turn over takes place
it does not keep history like that, no.  i have rancid on all my switches, so if i really wanted to see the past, i could pull it up via CVS (ick, i know)
CaZe: you would respond to the court and say the IP is no longer in use
registered ram is actually cheaper at least on ebay
and you can get bigger sticks
up to 16gb on ddr3 i think, which is how people get 192gb of ram etc
(6 per cpu)
yeah udimm's can be more expensive
well ecc udimms can be at least
looks like 8gb cost a bit more still
yeah i meant ecc
hi nerds!!!
geek.  not nerd
no pocket protector here
sure sure :")
oh - I admit... I used to have an HP41C attached to my belt.  but never a pocket protector.
lol
it's a calculator isn't it?
with reverse polish notation?
oh shit now i must be a nerd
a hospital, what is it!
up_the_irons: did hivelocity ever update saying anything more than they'd look into it?
no
it's still down it seems.
bang on their door
heh
i'm not a customer of theirs
but you never know
still, noc's get emails from the outside all the time
anyway, i've just disabled their session
(just now)
no point leaving up something broken that they don't seem to care to fix
ahh ok
it still looks the same sdo far
10.10.10.6 is last hop
did people start using the new ip adddress block much yet?
for coresite
everyone has migrated
ahh ok
is 10.10.10.6 your peering box?
oh crap, they send routes over any2easy too
ahh
not as easy to filter
i could do it, just not now
is this a reverse path filter issue?
with assymetric routing
this weekend.... is upgrade weekend!
just gonna use csup to get from 8.3 to 8.4
minimal ruisk
freebsd?
but I also have to go from perl 5.10 to 5.16 :)
yeah
also upgrading to pkgng
cautious :)
and probably installing poudeiere to do my package building from now on
i haven't seen perl being that annoying recently with upgrades
not compared to in the past
php is still nasty though :)
yeah - I have a half dozen bsdpan though
hopefully none of them have XS
it's a bit disconcerting how much stuff doesn't support python3
hmm.  WTF.  IO::Tty is bsdpan?
Real schism in the Python world, with python3
should be able to replace that with a real port
at least python 2.7 still seems to be supported and you can have both at once
arch linux changed /usr/bin/python or whatever to point to python3
it's a way to break a lot of things.
awesome - http://www.freshports.org/devel/p5-IO-Tty/
so zero bsdpan now
cool.
probably have to force-install since it'll have to overwrite the bsdpan stuff
up_the_irons: is level3 capacity up yet btw?
ok, i created a "bad peer" filter and now hivelocity routes should be eradicated
well route changed and it's not working
i wonder if it's the reverse path
mercutio: not yet; everything is done i just need to find time to set up the vlans and turn up the sessions.  There was a big delay when I requested that they renumber the vlans they gave me (cuz I had them already in use)
it's going via AS11799 now
oh god
so yeah, bgp collective picked it up
well that's from whois
and they probably have the exact same problem
err reverse lookup even
hahaha
shit
you'd think hivelocity would fix it then
cos surely it's affecting lots of people
yeah
i do wonder about the vlan thing
4096 vlans isn't many
it's easy to get clashes
happens all the time
and vlan over vlan is a stupid way to go about things :)
hmm, here vlans are done because there's often national/international split etc
but is there any reason it actually needs to be tagged for you?
Good point... I don't see why it couldn't be handed off un-tagged,
i can see lots of reasons in general bryce :)
i normally advocate tagging...
like there may be a different vlan to send ddos blocks
tagging is swell, but I figure when it comes to the handoff of a single connection, I reckon they could hand it off un-tagged and let you absorb it as you wish, tag it on your switch, etc
also you can do the thing of having two vlans that talk to different routers
that share the same bandwidth allotment
so you plug into switch that then plugs into two routers
which means you have switch as point of failure rather than router
but then you have two switches and two cables, if you want to fix that
but then it's normally failover only, and each router can talk normally, so you can use both routers for transit
and only in the case of switch failure switch cables
and pay for bandwidth allotment rather than two
mercutio: brycec : it's handed off tagged b/c i request 2 separate sessions (for redundancy)
ahh cool, well that's a good enough reason to me :)
bgp is so slow when sessions go down
yes
with all the talk of ddos and 10 gigabit+ links etc
bgp still takes ages to converge
some carriers run bfd with their customers
*cough*
that can make it worse
how so?
bfd can lose sync
when the connection is up
esp. with ddos attacks
and means the total outage time is worse
i suppose
ddos attacks are pretty common these days
then what's the solution?
more common than fibre failures i imagine
upgrade from ddos to dwindows :)
RandalSchwartz++
usually it's fibre level redundancy
with link path fast failover
and redundant sessions
and redundant routing engines
but that starts getting more expensiveetc
redundant all the things
RandalSchwartz: baahaaahaaaaa
Redundancy! Load-balancing with failover!
CARP!
aw carp
carp diem
fish of the day
the CARP drama on NANOG recently was great
i saw a lady with "carpe deim" tattooed on her back
not to be confused with carpe diem
carp drama?
lol m0unds
carp damn
staticsafe: Mailing list? Link to archives?
http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-May/thread.html#66864
i forgot to resub to nanog digest - desubbed for a bit because it was getting super spammy
(I feel like this is starting in the middle of a coversation)
hm
sec
http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-April/066514.html
http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-April/thread.html#66514
yeah
(Yay Henning Brauer)
He's a good dev
yeah he does seem good
carp dime
10 cents a day
seize the dime!
Wow this nong thread is godawful
it got pretty bad yeah
"So yes, the problem only exists if you are running VRRP and CARP on the same subnet and happen to have a host identifier conflict."
masochistic
haha
the problem happens only if the moon is in the seventh house...
ryan shea is a troll
oh so is paul wall
i wonder if they're from cisco or something
(Feels like Paul Wall is the bigger troll, so far)
google
haha
gmail you mean?
i don't turst people with gmail addressses :/
better than hotmail!
no
not really
same diff
same with yahoo etc
ryan shea @ google.com
Ryan Shea has a google.com address
or comcast.net
is that dude's addr
durr
have a work or personal domain
except @google.com is legit, corporate google
yes
I see bizcards that list @comcast.net
and I go... WTF
I'm with you RandalSchwartz
i've seen verizon.net on biz cards before
geez
exactly
or verizon.com, whichever their hsi email domain is
I see sooo many doctors offices with @aol.com
it doesnt' inspsire confidence
unless it's a small individual
or small company
small in stature?
like a mouse?
that isn't internet related
but as soon as you're doing internet related stuff it's expected
I love when doctors offices have a website, but email @isp/webmail.com
hahaha, yeah
haha
heh
my dentist's office recently changed from an @qwestbusiness email (or somesuch)
q.biz or something
seriously - you can't afford $7/year for a forwarding domain? :)
haha
it's really funny too when an office uses comcast biz, but they never got help configuring the hosted exchange that gets bundled w/that connection
so you see @comcast.net when they could do @domain.tld via a svc they're effectively paying for
(TIL that comcastbiz comes with exchange)
yeah, it's 2007 or 2010
5 or 10 users too
It's sad, we have TW-biz, and all I know is IP block we're allocated. No idea what else it comes with
(because the guy who handles the account is useless)
ah, rep w/TW?
No, I meant the company owner who called TW and said "we need Internet" never passed any of the information along
just logged in to my acct to look - came with 5 accts, also some amount of sharepoint space too
oh, gotcha
i dunno why i reading the web archives of nanog
i'm subscribed
hahaha
He told me that a TW guy was coming out, and the TW guy setup the cable drop and modem and handed me a piece of paper with the IP
lol mercutio
i don't read it often
it's got it's own folder
yeah, that's part of why i unsubbed
wasn't reading it because i kept seeing the same inane stuff popping up day after day
i thought it was interesting that people were talking about new zealand
but not the subject matter argh
and i couldn't be bothered to dig into it to see interesting stuff
every isp has to be registered here now
then there was some event early this year or late last year that resulted in /tons/ of digest msgs, so i unsubbed
where isp is a loose term
which basically means anyone that provides network capabilities iirc
mercutio: Would a home wifi connection qualify as "ISP"? :p
hahahaha
if you sold it to your neighbours probably
But if it's given away freely?
Like a coffee-shop?
no idea
coffee shops charge for internet here
Ah
mcdonalds has free internet i hear
but i haven't been there
usually 3g is faster than cafe internet anyway :/
user@goldenarches.net
most are just adsl connections
with shit routerse
Ouch. I don't know about 3G, but LTE is certainly faster than every hotspot I've tried lately
i don't know the last time i used public wifi somewhere
where you have to put in some coupon code
which is annoying if you use a tablet
at&t provides their own preconfigured gateway for most attwifi hotspots in restaurants and offices and stuff
don't remember what it is, but it handles the captiveportal and network registration stuff
probably a lot easier for at&t and for businesses that offer free wifi branded by at&t
haha, can't wait for verizon to start marketing "XLTE" more
FOUR GEE EX EL TEE EE
new belgium gruit is intresting - uses herbs instead of hops for bittering
junos upgrade funtiem