| ↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls | (Click on time to select a line by its url) |
| Who | What | When |
|---|---|---|
| *** | john3213 has joined #arpnetworks | [01:10] |
| john3213 has left | [01:15] | |
| acf_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [01:23] | |
| acf_ has joined #arpnetworks | [01:28] | |
| .......................................................... (idle for 4h45mn) | ||
| Konata has joined #arpnetworks | [06:13] | |
| ................... (idle for 1h31mn) | ||
| mjp has joined #arpnetworks | [07:44] | |
| mjp | any network problems at arp atm? | [07:45] |
| https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=network+outage+ge-0-7-0-24.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net
comes up with: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2013-09-18,Wed&text=on | [07:50] | |
| ........ (idle for 35mn) | ||
| *** | mjp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [08:25] |
| brycec | (fwiw nothing showing on my smokeping over the last 12ish hours)(but they've left anyways...) | [08:29] |
| .............. (idle for 1h7mn) | ||
| m0unds | haha
haven't noticed any issues for a while comcast just deployed some new gear in my area, so i've been seeing +/- .7ms or so to arp for the last few days | [09:36] |
| brycec | brycec is having major TWC issues this a.m. :(
(but it might also be my own gear at fault) (either way, I'm seeing 300+ms to the cable modem 2 feet away) | [09:41] |
| m0unds | booooo | [09:45] |
| brycec | Honestly, this graph is fucking hilarious https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=Slaves.cobrycesmokepingslave
(particularly @ 12hrs viwe) https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?displaymode=n;start=2014-05-18%2021:46;end=now;target=Slaves.cobrycesmokepingslave | [09:46] |
| ...... (idle for 26mn) | ||
| *** | mjp has joined #arpnetworks | [10:13] |
| m0unds | whoa
looks like it's trying to draw something, haha | [10:24] |
| jpalmer | looks like a lie detector, to me.
and, the network is LYING! | [10:29] |
| ....... (idle for 33mn) | ||
| *** | Konata has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...) | [11:02] |
| ....................... (idle for 1h51mn) | ||
| anisfarhana has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) jlgaddis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) pcn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) josephb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Konata has joined #arpnetworks josephb has joined #arpnetworks pcn has joined #arpnetworks anis has joined #arpnetworks | [12:53] | |
| mnathani has joined #arpnetworks | [13:08] | |
| .......... (idle for 45mn) | ||
| jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks
jlgaddis has quit IRC (Changing host) jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks | [13:53] | |
| ................... (idle for 1h31mn) | ||
| mjp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | [15:24] | |
| up_the_irons | mnathani: for larger amounts of ram, you need registered. udimm's can still certainly be used in servers. all our dedi's have udimm's, but the are of course ECC too. we don't need rdimm's on the dedi's b/c ram count is not too high | [15:28] |
| mnathani | up_the_irons: thanks | [15:31] |
| up_the_irons | np | [15:31] |
| *** | Konata has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...) | [15:32] |
| mnathani | up_the_irons: How do you manage IP address assignments across ARP Networks customers? Spreadsheet, or something more elegant?
Perhaps something like phpIPAM | [15:32] |
| up_the_irons | mnathani: internal app i wrote. uses rfc 3531 allocation method (can be used on ipv4 also). parts of it are somewhere on my github.
the "spreadsheet method" lost scale long ago ;) | [15:34] |
| mnathani | your app take care of historic VLAN assignments as well? | [15:35] |
| up_the_irons | historic?
it takes care of vlan assignments; not sure what you mean by historic | [15:35] |
| mnathani | over time, like presently vlan 10 is assigned to a range, but before that it used to be vlan 20 etc | [15:36] |
| CaZe | What if you get a subpoena for an IP that ended service like six months ago? | [15:36] |
| mnathani | as customer turn over takes place | [15:37] |
| up_the_irons | it does not keep history like that, no. i have rancid on all my switches, so if i really wanted to see the past, i could pull it up via CVS (ick, i know)
CaZe: you would respond to the court and say the IP is no longer in use | [15:37] |
| mercutio | registered ram is actually cheaper at least on ebay
and you can get bigger sticks up to 16gb on ddr3 i think, which is how people get 192gb of ram etc (6 per cpu) | [15:41] |
| up_the_irons | yeah udimm's can be more expensive | [15:49] |
| .... (idle for 18mn) | ||
| mercutio | well ecc udimms can be at least
looks like 8gb cost a bit more still | [16:07] |
| up_the_irons | yeah i meant ecc | [16:17] |
| hazardous | hi nerds!!!
hazardous hugs channel | [16:23] |
| ...... (idle for 29mn) | ||
| RandalSchwartz | geek. not nerd
no pocket protector here | [16:53] |
| mercutio | sure sure :") | [17:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh - I admit... I used to have an HP41C attached to my belt. but never a pocket protector.
RandalSchwartz wonders how many people in channel will be googling HP41C to see what it was. | [17:12] |
| novae | novae googled it | [17:17] |
| CaZe | CaZe wonders how many people in the channel didn't have to google it to know what it was | [17:18] |
| .... (idle for 17mn) | ||
| up_the_irons | lol | [17:35] |
| mercutio | it's a calculator isn't it?
with reverse polish notation? oh shit now i must be a nerd | [17:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | a hospital, what is it! | [17:47] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: did hivelocity ever update saying anything more than they'd look into it? | [17:56] |
| up_the_irons | no | [17:56] |
| mercutio | it's still down it seems. | [17:56] |
| up_the_irons | bang on their door | [17:57] |
| mercutio | heh
i'm not a customer of theirs but you never know | [17:57] |
| up_the_irons | still, noc's get emails from the outside all the time
anyway, i've just disabled their session (just now) no point leaving up something broken that they don't seem to care to fix | [17:57] |
| mercutio | ahh ok
it still looks the same sdo far 10.10.10.6 is last hop did people start using the new ip adddress block much yet? for coresite | [17:58] |
| up_the_irons | everyone has migrated | [17:59] |
| mercutio | ahh ok
is 10.10.10.6 your peering box? | [17:59] |
| up_the_irons | oh crap, they send routes over any2easy too | [18:00] |
| mercutio | ahh | [18:00] |
| up_the_irons | not as easy to filter
i could do it, just not now | [18:00] |
| mercutio | is this a reverse path filter issue?
with assymetric routing | [18:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | this weekend.... is upgrade weekend!
just gonna use csup to get from 8.3 to 8.4 minimal ruisk | [18:05] |
| mercutio | freebsd? | [18:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | but I also have to go from perl 5.10 to 5.16 :)
yeah also upgrading to pkgng | [18:05] |
| mercutio | cautious :) | [18:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | and probably installing poudeiere to do my package building from now on | [18:06] |
| brycec | brycec didn't have to google it... I had an HP-48 | [18:06] |
| mercutio | i haven't seen perl being that annoying recently with upgrades
not compared to in the past php is still nasty though :) | [18:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - I have a half dozen bsdpan though
hopefully none of them have XS | [18:07] |
| mercutio | it's a bit disconcerting how much stuff doesn't support python3 | [18:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | hmm. WTF. IO::Tty is bsdpan? | [18:08] |
| brycec | Real schism in the Python world, with python3 | [18:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | should be able to replace that with a real port | [18:08] |
| mercutio | at least python 2.7 still seems to be supported and you can have both at once
arch linux changed /usr/bin/python or whatever to point to python3 it's a way to break a lot of things. | [18:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | awesome - http://www.freshports.org/devel/p5-IO-Tty/
so zero bsdpan now | [18:09] |
| mercutio | cool. | [18:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | probably have to force-install since it'll have to overwrite the bsdpan stuff | [18:09] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: is level3 capacity up yet btw? | [18:11] |
| up_the_irons | ok, i created a "bad peer" filter and now hivelocity routes should be eradicated | [18:12] |
| mercutio | well route changed and it's not working
i wonder if it's the reverse path | [18:13] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: not yet; everything is done i just need to find time to set up the vlans and turn up the sessions. There was a big delay when I requested that they renumber the vlans they gave me (cuz I had them already in use) | [18:13] |
| mercutio | it's going via AS11799 now | [18:13] |
| up_the_irons | oh god
so yeah, bgp collective picked it up | [18:13] |
| mercutio | well that's from whois | [18:13] |
| up_the_irons | and they probably have the exact same problem | [18:14] |
| mercutio | err reverse lookup even
hahaha shit you'd think hivelocity would fix it then cos surely it's affecting lots of people | [18:14] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [18:14] |
| mercutio | i do wonder about the vlan thing
4096 vlans isn't many it's easy to get clashes | [18:14] |
| up_the_irons | happens all the time | [18:15] |
| mercutio | and vlan over vlan is a stupid way to go about things :)
hmm, here vlans are done because there's often national/international split etc but is there any reason it actually needs to be tagged for you? | [18:15] |
| brycec | Good point... I don't see why it couldn't be handed off un-tagged, | [18:17] |
| mercutio | i can see lots of reasons in general bryce :)
i normally advocate tagging... like there may be a different vlan to send ddos blocks | [18:17] |
| brycec | tagging is swell, but I figure when it comes to the handoff of a single connection, I reckon they could hand it off un-tagged and let you absorb it as you wish, tag it on your switch, etc | [18:18] |
| mercutio | also you can do the thing of having two vlans that talk to different routers
that share the same bandwidth allotment so you plug into switch that then plugs into two routers which means you have switch as point of failure rather than router but then you have two switches and two cables, if you want to fix that but then it's normally failover only, and each router can talk normally, so you can use both routers for transit and only in the case of switch failure switch cables and pay for bandwidth allotment rather than two | [18:20] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: brycec : it's handed off tagged b/c i request 2 separate sessions (for redundancy) | [18:24] |
| mercutio | ahh cool, well that's a good enough reason to me :) | [18:24] |
| brycec | brycec nods | [18:24] |
| mercutio | bgp is so slow when sessions go down | [18:25] |
| staticsafe | yes | [18:26] |
| mercutio | with all the talk of ddos and 10 gigabit+ links etc
bgp still takes ages to converge | [18:26] |
| easymac | some carriers run bfd with their customers | [18:35] |
| mercutio | *cough*
that can make it worse | [18:35] |
| easymac | how so? | [18:36] |
| mercutio | bfd can lose sync
when the connection is up esp. with ddos attacks and means the total outage time is worse | [18:36] |
| easymac | i suppose | [18:36] |
| mercutio | ddos attacks are pretty common these days | [18:37] |
| easymac | then what's the solution? | [18:37] |
| mercutio | more common than fibre failures i imagine | [18:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | upgrade from ddos to dwindows :) | [18:37] |
| easymac | RandalSchwartz++ | [18:37] |
| mercutio | usually it's fibre level redundancy
with link path fast failover and redundant sessions and redundant routing engines but that starts getting more expensiveetc | [18:37] |
| staticsafe | redundant all the things | [18:42] |
| m0unds | RandalSchwartz: baahaaahaaaaa | [18:44] |
| brycec | Redundancy! Load-balancing with failover!
CARP! | [18:45] |
| m0unds | aw carp | [18:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | carp diem
fish of the day | [18:46] |
| staticsafe | the CARP drama on NANOG recently was great | [18:46] |
| m0unds | i saw a lady with "carpe deim" tattooed on her back
not to be confused with carpe diem carp drama? | [18:46] |
| brycec | lol m0unds | [18:47] |
| meingtsla | carp damn | [18:47] |
| brycec | staticsafe: Mailing list? Link to archives? | [18:47] |
| staticsafe | http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-May/thread.html#66864 | [18:48] |
| m0unds | i forgot to resub to nanog digest - desubbed for a bit because it was getting super spammy | [18:48] |
| brycec | (I feel like this is starting in the middle of a coversation) | [18:49] |
| staticsafe | hm
sec | [18:50] |
| brycec | http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-April/066514.html | [18:50] |
| staticsafe | http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-April/thread.html#66514
yeah | [18:50] |
| brycec | (Yay Henning Brauer)
He's a good dev | [18:51] |
| mercutio | yeah he does seem good | [18:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | carp dime
10 cents a day | [18:52] |
| seize the dime! | [18:57] | |
| brycec | brycec steals RandalSchwartz's dime
Wow this nong thread is godawful | [18:58] |
| staticsafe | it got pretty bad yeah | [18:59] |
| brycec | "So yes, the problem only exists if you are running VRRP and CARP on the same subnet and happen to have a host identifier conflict."
brycec wonders why he's wasting so much brainpower on this | [19:00] |
| mercutio | masochistic | [19:01] |
| brycec | haha | [19:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | the problem happens only if the moon is in the seventh house... | [19:04] |
| mercutio | ryan shea is a troll
oh so is paul wall i wonder if they're from cisco or something | [19:05] |
| brycec | (Feels like Paul Wall is the bigger troll, so far) | [19:08] |
| m0unds | google
haha | [19:08] |
| mercutio | gmail you mean?
i don't turst people with gmail addressses :/ | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | better than hotmail! | [19:09] |
| m0unds | no | [19:09] |
| mercutio | not really
same diff same with yahoo etc | [19:09] |
| m0unds | ryan shea @ google.com | [19:09] |
| brycec | Ryan Shea has a google.com address | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | or comcast.net | [19:09] |
| m0unds | is that dude's addr
durr | [19:09] |
| mercutio | have a work or personal domain | [19:09] |
| brycec | except @google.com is legit, corporate google | [19:09] |
| m0unds | yes | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | I see bizcards that list @comcast.net
and I go... WTF | [19:10] |
| brycec | I'm with you RandalSchwartz | [19:10] |
| m0unds | i've seen verizon.net on biz cards before | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | geez | [19:10] |
| mercutio | exactly | [19:10] |
| m0unds | or verizon.com, whichever their hsi email domain is | [19:10] |
| brycec | I see sooo many doctors offices with @aol.com | [19:10] |
| mercutio | it doesnt' inspsire confidence
unless it's a small individual or small company | [19:10] |
| m0unds | small in stature?
like a mouse? | [19:10] |
| mercutio | that isn't internet related
but as soon as you're doing internet related stuff it's expected | [19:10] |
| brycec | I love when doctors offices have a website, but email @isp/webmail.com | [19:11] |
| m0unds | hahaha, yeah | [19:11] |
| mercutio | haha | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh | [19:11] |
| m0unds | my dentist's office recently changed from an @qwestbusiness email (or somesuch)
q.biz or something | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | seriously - you can't afford $7/year for a forwarding domain? :) | [19:11] |
| m0unds | haha
it's really funny too when an office uses comcast biz, but they never got help configuring the hosted exchange that gets bundled w/that connection so you see @comcast.net when they could do @domain.tld via a svc they're effectively paying for | [19:11] |
| brycec | (TIL that comcastbiz comes with exchange) | [19:12] |
| m0unds | yeah, it's 2007 or 2010
5 or 10 users too | [19:13] |
| brycec | It's sad, we have TW-biz, and all I know is IP block we're allocated. No idea what else it comes with
(because the guy who handles the account is useless) | [19:14] |
| m0unds | ah, rep w/TW? | [19:14] |
| brycec | No, I meant the company owner who called TW and said "we need Internet" never passed any of the information along | [19:15] |
| m0unds | just logged in to my acct to look - came with 5 accts, also some amount of sharepoint space too
oh, gotcha | [19:15] |
| mercutio | i dunno why i reading the web archives of nanog
i'm subscribed | [19:15] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [19:15] |
| brycec | He told me that a TW guy was coming out, and the TW guy setup the cable drop and modem and handed me a piece of paper with the IP
lol mercutio | [19:15] |
| mercutio | i don't read it often
it's got it's own folder | [19:16] |
| m0unds | yeah, that's part of why i unsubbed
wasn't reading it because i kept seeing the same inane stuff popping up day after day | [19:16] |
| mercutio | i thought it was interesting that people were talking about new zealand
but not the subject matter argh | [19:16] |
| m0unds | and i couldn't be bothered to dig into it to see interesting stuff | [19:16] |
| mercutio | every isp has to be registered here now | [19:17] |
| m0unds | then there was some event early this year or late last year that resulted in /tons/ of digest msgs, so i unsubbed | [19:17] |
| mercutio | where isp is a loose term
which basically means anyone that provides network capabilities iirc | [19:17] |
| brycec | mercutio: Would a home wifi connection qualify as "ISP"? :p | [19:18] |
| m0unds | hahahaha | [19:19] |
| mercutio | if you sold it to your neighbours probably | [19:20] |
| brycec | But if it's given away freely?
Like a coffee-shop? | [19:20] |
| mercutio | no idea
coffee shops charge for internet here | [19:21] |
| brycec | Ah | [19:21] |
| mercutio | mcdonalds has free internet i hear
but i haven't been there usually 3g is faster than cafe internet anyway :/ | [19:21] |
| m0unds | user@goldenarches.net | [19:21] |
| mercutio | most are just adsl connections
with shit routerse | [19:21] |
| brycec | Ouch. I don't know about 3G, but LTE is certainly faster than every hotspot I've tried lately | [19:22] |
| m0unds | i don't know the last time i used public wifi somewhere | [19:22] |
| mercutio | where you have to put in some coupon code
which is annoying if you use a tablet | [19:22] |
| m0unds | at&t provides their own preconfigured gateway for most attwifi hotspots in restaurants and offices and stuff
don't remember what it is, but it handles the captiveportal and network registration stuff | [19:22] |
| brycec | brycec isn't surprised | [19:22] |
| m0unds | probably a lot easier for at&t and for businesses that offer free wifi branded by at&t | [19:23] |
| haha, can't wait for verizon to start marketing "XLTE" more
FOUR GEE EX EL TEE EE | [19:31] | |
| *** | z310 has joined #arpnetworks | [19:36] |
| m0unds | new belgium gruit is intresting - uses herbs instead of hops for bittering | [19:45] |
| .... (idle for 17mn) | ||
| junos upgrade funtiem | [20:02] | |
| ↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls | (Click on time to select a line by its url) |