[00:33] *** acf_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [00:33] *** acf has joined #arpnetworks [00:33] *** acf is now known as Guest76170 [03:48] *** koan_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:51] *** bonraton_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:51] *** medum_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:55] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:55] *** bonraton has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:55] *** koan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:55] *** medum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:55] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:55] *** mnathani1 has joined #arpnetworks [03:56] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [05:04] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:04] *** kevr has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [05:18] *** kevr has joined #arpnetworks [05:18] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [05:19] *** kevr has quit IRC (Changing host) [05:19] *** kevr has joined #arpnetworks [06:02] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [07:58] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [07:58] Anybody on kvr07 see load issues over the last 5 hours or so? [07:59] My disk latency has suddenly trippled and it's causing various forms of havoc [08:21] *** awyeah has joined #arpnetworks [08:27] someone reverse engineered sign on and chat initiation protocols back in the early 00s, i'm sure you could find the tarball w/the source in it [08:27] re: AOL [08:28] m0unds: you mean a protocol pre-OSCAR? Or are you talking about the OSCAR protocol? [08:29] i have no idea, it was 13+ years ago [08:29] probably could find it [08:29] don't care enough to :) [08:29] i'd imagine fundamentally the chat part of it wouldn't have changed too much [08:31] looks like the site that held the source of the revers eengineered stuff is gone (go figure) [08:31] reverse [08:32] it was posted in 2001 [08:32] http://beta.slashdot.org/story/01/10/09/1826205/the-america-online-protocol-revealed closest i can find to info [08:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSCAR_protocol [08:35] Error in Wikipedia's response: [08:35] yea, that's not hte protocol used for aol chat though [08:35] that was for AOL IM [08:36] Ahh that delineation was lost on me [08:36] the chat part of it was built into the stupid AOL client itself [08:36] * m0unds used to hang out in video games chat #6 when he was 8 or 9 [08:36] haha [08:37] "aol chat" just redirects to Aol [08:37] IM [08:37] yeah, i think they shut ti down [08:37] it [08:37] I meant on wikipedia :p [08:37] oh [08:37] lol [08:37] so no help there [08:38] you had to use keyword "CHAT" to get to it in the client [08:38] i remember that uch [08:38] much [08:38] haha [08:39] looks like they mght have moved some of the chat functionality to AIM at some point [08:39] keep losing keystrokes - laggy, terrible VZW LTE connection [09:24] mosh? [09:25] (the ssh-auth'd udp-based latency-friendly shell. Not the action) [09:26] *remote shell [09:33] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [09:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [09:35] not a fan [09:36] wasn't reliable at all for me [09:36] liked it a lot at home w/reliable wifi - could put my notebook to sleep and come back and resume my session. for whatever reason, it'd regularly kill remote sessions when i connected via unreliable cellular [09:44] brycec: i've seen some alerts for kvr07 [09:44] looking into it; load seems fine atm [09:45] Yay I'm not insane :) [09:46] My loadavg is still slightly higher than normal, but I agree it's calmed down a bit [09:47] (And still seeing a bit of a hit on my io/sec [09:48] http://i.imgur.com/g88HbIY.png [09:48] (the due to iowait, of course) [09:49] And here's an update latency chart http://i.imgur.com/oUwdysi.png [10:15] I wonder if there's some sort of attack going on [10:17] It's the Internet, I always assume there's an attack happening :p [10:38] I got my HE ipv6 tunnel from my laptop working again. [10:38] too bad I got comcast'ed at home, and the tunnel can't work there any more. :( [10:39] Comcast is blocking protocol41? [10:39] no... they provide their own router now.. instead of just a modem [10:40] so then my Apple Airport no longer has a public address. :( [10:40] and no, you don't get to opt out of that. [10:43] can their device not be put in bridge mode? [10:43] no. [10:43] well - maybe, but not by me [10:44] googling seems to say that if you get enough supervisors on the phone, you might be able to get them to understand and deliver [10:44] I'm not interested in that much phone pain [10:45] Weird. I still have just a simple modem. [10:45] ours just stopped working one day, and required my roommate to go pick a new one up, and it was like this [10:45] perhaps it's a regional thing [10:46] and we still don't get the native ipv6 they promised two years ago [10:46] Bummer. I could get native ipv6 if I wanted, but I have no control of the address space or DNS [10:49] I think this is the modem they gave us, which is indeed part of an ipv6 strategy: http://www.arrisi.com/products/product.asp?id=79 [10:49] press release: http://ir.arrisi.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=87823&p=RssLanding&cat=news&id=1880159 [10:51] But since they control it, it's probably not configured to pull a v6 addy [10:52] yeah - according to their rollout, 18% of their customers have v6 now. [10:52] at that rate, I might have ipv6 in 2038. :) [10:52] native IPv6 would be nice :( [10:52] 2038... just in time for 32bit time rollover! [10:52] exactly [10:52] time and ipv4 rolling over at the same time [10:57] I have a database load for $client in my virtualbox that has now consumed 93 CPU minutes of mysqld [10:57] but I can't do anything next until it's done [10:57] so I'm basically surfing the net watching "top" :) [11:02] I'm downloading a backup off a system and being reminded of how painful 100mbps is [11:06] *** pjs has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:09] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [11:09] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [11:09] *** pjs is now known as Guest19894 [11:10] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [11:14] *** Guest19894 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [11:15] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [11:19] *** pjs_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:19] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [11:22] I got spoiled when i worked at oversee... they have dark fiber from the office tied directly to the backbone at one wilshire [11:22] I grabbed a 40GB image off my VPS as fast as my disk could write. :) [11:23] seeing as these machines are pretty close netwise to one wilshire [11:23] it was something like 4ms to ping, three hops [11:23] Hey does anyone here know sendmail? [11:23] Yeah, uploading the backup to the new system was nice, limited only by disk IO (migrating an old server with only 10/100 to a VM on GbE links with good storage) [11:24] I know to avoid sendmail :P There are much more configurable options [11:27] lol I know [11:27] I run postfix. But I'm working with a sendmail install. [11:27] *** pjs_ is now known as pjs [11:28] yeah I stopped using sendmail years ago [11:29] * RandalSchwartz still has flashbacks of the Horror That Is M4 [11:29] all those crazy dnl()'s :) [11:30] LOL i know [11:30] Trying to figure out why this one server is rejecting me. Good thing I know the guy. [11:31] that means "I know the guy who knows the guy..." [11:32] at least postfix has almost-human-readable config files. :) [11:32] Yeah seriously [11:32] although you still gotta understand a lot about how mail actually works [11:33] I'm good with that part. [11:33] and you aren't programming a state machine using m4. :) [11:33] replace this with that, and go to state 7 [11:33] add < > around that and go to state 12 [11:33] it's like a friggin turing machine [11:34] I think I recall seeing rules that when recognizing a particular address, would actually solve towers of hanoi in the added header lines. :) [11:34] hah [11:34] lame [11:34] Well I figured out how to test the ruleset [11:34] now I have to figure out what the output means. [11:35] Looks like it's rejecting me, duh [11:35] rewritten as: < ? > < co > < ? > < + Connect > < 206 . 125 . 173 . 30 > [11:35] rewritten as: < reject > < co > < ? > < + Connect > < 206 . 125 . 173 . 30 > [11:35] Whatever that means. [11:35] thank you googles: http://www.jhnc.org/hanoi/sendmail-cf.html [11:36] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [11:38] I wonder if that means it's rejecting it because it's a .co address. [11:40] Yup, that was it... added a line in his /etc/mail/access and bam [11:40] I wonder how many other TLDs he's missing. :) [11:41] it's like those ancient "reject bad email" javascript checkers [11:41] good thing those are client-side [11:41] ah I see, he has a whole lot of tlds in his reject [11:41] whatever, it's his prerogative. [11:42] I'm surprised nobody else has complained to him about this [11:42] But, it's just a local ham radio group, so it's probably mostly .org/.com/.net stuff [11:44] yeah - why would people in columbia be sending him mail? :) [11:46] Oh darn... I thought it was done... mysqld popped away from top [11:47] but it came right back. :( [11:47] nearly 118 cpu minutes now [11:47] over a 3 hour period [11:48] Maybe they have and he couldn't receive their email :P 11:41:55 < awyeah> I'm surprised nobody else has complained to him about this [11:49] I never really grasped "cpu time" [11:49] *** kevr has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [11:52] haha that's true. [11:52] *** kevr_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:56] it's like lunch time, but doubly so. :) [12:12] up_the_irons: thanks for the ticket response :) (so here's an IRC response) [12:12] :) [12:20] you know something i've never really thought about [12:20] what do people think about replying to a closed ticket saying thanks, potentially reopening it [12:21] it seems like it'd annoy people but be a nice thing to others [12:21] if it was me i'd be annoyed at the unnecessary notification and reopening but then i'd feel bad [12:28] dang, my console server running OpenBSD has finally crashed i believe.. little atom box with > 1000 days uptime [12:30] people say thanks all the time [12:30] and i reply with something like 'No problem!' and then re-close it ;) [13:13] whoa. red has been up for 240 days! [13:13] no wonder everything is so out of date. :) [13:14] and I *still* haven't fired up my new VPS [13:14] (Neil keeps stealing all my spare time) [13:14] still?! haha [13:14] I'm tempted just to do an in-place update [13:15] but I don't know if I can go from 8.3 right to 10.1 [13:15] maybe I'll rehearse that in a virtualbox [13:15] the trouble is that I have about three hours of research to do about how to do the upgrade before I can even start [13:16] but it'll be more like six hours to build the new box and transfer over all the data. [13:17] Ahh... I know what I'll do... I'll create a minimal install on the second box... and use it as a cloud backup... grab a snapshot of everything in case I have to regress. [13:18] then convert over to pkgng, and svn sources, fetch the 10.0 source, and just try to compile the world. :) [13:19] just talking out loud, of course. :) [13:29] *** vtoms has left [13:48] Annoys the heck out of me. If the ticket says "closed" on it, I don't reply. If it doesn't, then I might reply thanks. And recently, I had an Nvidia ticket wherein I could reply with the option of not reopening the ticket, which I did. 12:20:54 < hazardous> it seems like it'd annoy people but be a nice thing to others [13:49] More annoying still is when I do as up_the_irons does, re-close and they reply again. [14:06] * up_the_irons thinks brycec is annoyed easily [14:06] ;) [14:07] up_the_irons: Or perhaps I deal with a lower class of idiot [14:07] lol [14:07] (And I admit, my fuse is a bit short) [14:07] Let's just say that Doctors are some of the dumbest tech users ever. [14:07] * brycec is also having one of those "Say What again one more time, i dare you -- and I'll quit on the spot" days [14:08] s/days [14:08] s/days/weeks [14:08] >>> brycec is also having one of those "Say What again one more time, i dare you -- and I'll quit on the spot" weeks [14:08] well, it's been going on years now... [14:18] up_the_irons - looks like my ntp block is still in place. :( [14:18] I'm getting ntp but only via ipv6 [14:20] RandalSchwartz: you might want to noquery your host ;) [14:20] RandalSchwartz: ip? kvr host? [14:20] 208.79.95.2 is his ip [14:20] $ ntpq -p 208.79.95.2 [14:20] 208.79.95.2: timed out, nothing received [14:20] but I can hit his ipv6 [14:21] "noquery"? [14:21] @google ntpd noquery [14:21] 2,690 total results returned for 'ntpd noquery', here's 3 [14:21] 6.5. ntpd access restrictions (http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/AccessRestrictions) Restrictions are used to control access to your ntpd and are, unfortunately, one of ... Users of NTP versions prior to 4.2.7p26 should either use noquery or disable ... [14:21] Network Time Protocol daemon - ArchWiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol_daemon) Apr 2, 2014 ... The NTP Project provides a reference implementation of the ... ntpd (with ntpq or ntpdc), and noquery prevents dumping status data from ntpd ... [14:21] 15.9. Understanding the ntpd Configuration File (https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7-Beta/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s1-Understanding_the_ntpd_Configuration_File.html) The nopeer option prevents a peer association being formed. The noquery option prevents ntpq and ntpdc queries, but not time queries, from being answered. [14:21] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [14:21] I made the two security fixes [14:21] RandalSchwartz: verified there is no block on your IP [14:21] Must Be You(tm) ;) [14:21] disable monitor restrict default ignore [14:21] RandalSchwartz: basically, your NTP instance lets the world use you to ddos [14:22] bryce - old news, already fixed [14:22] and it was working last night [14:22] something is still filtering today [14:22] If it was fixed, then I wouldn't be able to "ntpq -p you" [14:22] RandalSchwartz: just for fun, would you mind sharing your ntp.conf so we/I can proofread? [14:22] I added the two lines that were asked of me in the security [14:22] (And try running it myself and see what happens) [14:23] I just pasted the two uncommented lines here. :) [14:23] those two lines, plus the pool settings [14:23] those two lines were in the security memo sent to me [14:24] so if they don't fix it, then something is awry [14:25] (Oh right, it's the monlist command specifically) [14:27] So I'm still wondering what's different between last night and today [14:27] or if those commands above actually ruin it as a valid ntpd for ipv4. :) [14:28] Nah should be fine [14:28] But just for fun, RandalSchwartz why not share your ntp.conf. I'll drop it on my VPS, see if the same thing happens. [14:29] Then we know if it's your config (or NTP version) or ARP [14:31] dude... I pasted the two lines, the other three are the pool settings [14:31] but I've just now updated to the recommendation for https://www.team-cymru.org/ReadingRoom/Templates/secure-ntp-template.html [14:31] under "unix ntpd" [14:31] and now it seems to work better [14:32] Sorry, default ntp.conf in my experience is more than just 5 lines, so I thought you were just pasting snippets [14:32] I left the disable monitor in [14:32] but those other things are the proper "client only" settings apparently [14:33] no - I didn't see any need to change anything else. :) [14:33] Not a tweaker [14:35] fwiw, this is mine - 95% Debian's default, with a few more servers added http://sprunge.us/RYZY [14:39] cool [14:40] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [14:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [14:42] (I was having issues with mine staying stuck in INIT forever, so I added more servers... didn't help. Issue turned out to be a random "listen" line at the top) [15:40] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:48] anyone used these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W014B1465 [15:48] can't find a "PRO" version [15:48] but it's 1TB SSD for like $500 [15:53] (Damnit Newegg changed their item number format) [15:54] I've seen the name "Samsung 840" cropping up in a few places lately, all positive feelings. But no personal experience. [15:55] (and those mentions usually only in 120-500Gb range) [15:57] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [17:00] up_the_irons: my buddy is using a pair of them in his workstation and he's had good luck [17:00] i've had bad luck w/samsung stuff myself, but i seem to be out of the ordinary [17:01] as far as comcast's router modem stuff, buy a modem from amazon, tell comcast to take theirs back. they have a compatibility list and as long as you get something from it, they can't say no [17:01] im using a Samsung 840 in my desktop as well [17:01] for consumer svc anyway. if it's a biz line w/static IP, it's a different story [17:01] its working out quite well [17:02] i had to RMA an 840 pro that just died, took 14 biz days to get the replacement [17:03] http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net/ RandalSchwartz [17:26] m0unds: roger [17:27] yeah - I was at that page [17:27] might mean I can "bring my own modem" to comcast [17:28] worth it if I get root [17:28] I've brought my own modem to Comcast in the past, no trouble [17:29] m0unds: that's actually the first samsung ssd failure i've heard of [17:29] i just got a samsung evo sdcard, haven't tried it yet [17:33] RandalSchwartz: the biggest positive is that you're not leasing a modem. pays for itself the first year. only downside i can think of is that if the modem fails outside the mfg warranty period, you have to buy a new one [17:34] mercutio: i'm lucky like that, haha [17:35] even if it were in the warranty period, you'd be out a modem until it's replaced. comcast is a near-instant replacement [18:18] brycec: some of my friends service doctors/professors/whatever and it does seem that the more letters they have after their name than in it the more.. i guess, angry at everything not going their way it is [18:18] kind of amusing [18:21] It is kind of... until they're berading you for their shit not working because they don't understand wtf they're doing (and their outsourced Indian tech support frustrates them even more) [20:32] *** Konata has joined #arpnetworks [21:16] *** Konata has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)