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[02:19] <mnathani> brycec: k, thanks
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[05:42] <jpalmer> brycec: if you build a co-co,   you can stick it all inside a 3' piece of PVC.  mount it to something like a rain gutter, to the least visible side of your house.
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[06:30] <anisfarhana> Hello everyone
[07:19] <m0unds> jpalmer: it's indoors for the moment. it's also super directional because of that. too much house on the south and east sides of it, so most of the aircraft are north/west
[08:44] <jpalmer> anisfarhana: hello
[08:44] <jpalmer> m0unds: ahh.  yeah,  1090Mhz is fairly line of sight.
[10:23] <plett> jpalmer: I also have a DVB tuner which I have used as an ADS-B receiver. It's not hooked up at the moment, and I want to get a little discone on the roof for it
[10:23] <plett> So that makes 4 in this channel :)
[10:24] <sjackso> phlux: I'm late on responding, but I've been running a jabber server (from arp!) for a handful of weeks
[10:25] <plett> My region is well covered for ADS-B receivers though, I'm about 30 miles from LHR
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[11:32] <jpalmer> plett: nice.  didn't realize you were into it too.
[11:33] <jpalmer> apparently,  planespotting is pretty popular among ARPNetworks customers.  maybe we should convince garry to put up an ads-b reciever at his location :P
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[12:48] <up_the_irons> i've also used ejabberd many times
[12:49] <up_the_irons> i don't care that it is erlang, i just want it to run and work and not be a headache
[12:49] <up_the_irons> to set up
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[13:33] <hazardous> what is planespotting
[13:33] <hazardous> is that like trainspotting
[14:21] <brycec> There's an app, and it's the process of watching planes (radar, etc)
[14:21] <brycec> @google planespotting
[14:21] <BryceBot> 261,000 total results returned for 'planespotting', here's 3
[14:21] <BryceBot> Aircraft spotting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_spotting) Aircraft spotting or plane spotting is the observation, photographing aircraft, and  logging of the registration numbers of aircraft: gliders, powered aircraft, balloons,  ...
[14:21] <BryceBot> Planespotting (http://www.reddit.com/r/Planespotting/) A little different style of plane spotting. ... Parade of Heavy Airliners - 20+ Minutes  of Plane Spotting [HD] - Chicago O'Hare International (youtube.com). submitted ...
[14:21] <BryceBot> Spotter – Wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotter) Das Beobachten und Fotografieren von Flugzeugen (Planespotting) wird  überwiegend in unmittelbarer Nähe eines Flughafens betrieben. Meistens wird ...
[14:21] <brycec> (or maybe the app is planeplotter)
[14:24] <jpalmer> hazardous: in this case,  it's quite literally.. spotting nearby planes.
[16:23] <phlux> haha
[16:23] <phlux> sjackso: mind a PM?
[16:32] <sjackso> phlux: sure
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[16:43] <jpalmer> phlux: secrets don't make friends.   I'm now officially offended,  and stuff.
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[16:50] <phlux> we're trying to figure out how to ddos you
[16:50] <phlux> but i'm not going to tell you that!
[16:50] <jpalmer> it's ok, your secret is safe.  I IRC from arpnetworks,  so you'd be ddosing yourself too!
[16:51] <phlux> back to the drawing board
[16:52] <phlux> maybe we'll go to up_the_irons's house and ddos him irl
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[20:07] <jpalmer> quick poll,  and I am actually looking for serious answers.  At what age, would you try to teach a kid (who was interested)  in "IP"  and things related. ie,  what subnets are, and what they do (not the math to calculate a subnet)
[20:17] <milki> starting with something abstract? o.O
[20:17] <milki> what have you tried teaching so far?
[20:18] <jpalmer> well, nothing.  we're working ona  community thing for kids who are interested in technology and computers..   ages 7 - 18  I'm thinking about teaching the networking part, and trying to guage at what ages,  such a thing may actually make sense.
[20:19] <milki> o, so they've already expressed interest
[20:19] <milki> hmm
[20:19] <jpalmer> yes,   this is something they'd have to actually sign up for, outside of schoole and such.
[20:19] <jpalmer> it'd be free,  but they'd have to sign up, and make arrangements to get there.
[20:19] <milki> i think it depends on how you teach it
[20:20] <milki> if you can bring it down from an abstract idea to something they can actively construct themselves and play with, then you can teach it at a younger age
[20:20] <milki> otherwise, it depends on if they can grasp abstract ideas
[20:21] <jpalmer> well, some of the ideas are to do things that make sense to them, and make it fun.  for instance,   explaining what a subnet is used for and such.. then give them activities to reinforce it, and make it fun
[20:21] <jpalmer> like: explain how a local subnet can allow 2 computers in the same network to communicate with each other.  then equate it with multiplayer games..
[20:22] <jpalmer> then let them configure the networking on 2 machines,  and play a multiplayer game against each other (settings provided, so they don't have to do the math)
[20:22] <jpalmer> little things like that
[20:23] <milki> hm, teaching from a practical point of view rather than theoretical then
[20:24] <jpalmer> well, the curriculum would be voted on by the board.  so,  it's just a set of ideas I'm thinking of presenting for vote.
[20:24] <milki> i dont have a good idea and the level of children per age group -.-
[20:24] <milki> er, skill/educational/whatnot level
[20:24] <jpalmer> but in the example above..  I'm not sure if a 7 year old would get it.  maybe like 10..   (in which case,  I have to pick the "multiplayer game" accordingly.
[20:55] <brycec> jpalmer: Personally, I could've used some IP knowledge right around 10
[20:56] <brycec> actually come to think of it, that's about when I first started fumbling around with tcpip
[20:57] <brycec> I think I was 11 when I bought a "network starter kit" and managed to get it working, almost by sheer luck since I had no idea wtf I was doing
[20:58] <brycec> (I had no idea why these 192.1680.x numbers worked, and things broke if I changed certain things... Man I could've saved myself so much trouble if only I had Google.
[21:00] <milki> google and wiki
[21:01] <milki> and no windows
[21:01] <brycec> I can easily imagine a simple introductory curiculum, "computers can talk to each other over various wires and stuff, just like postal mail they have addresses" and start going deeper from there
[21:02] <jpalmer> brycec: hah.   yep  that is exactly where I'm intending on starting (talking about the mail, and addresses.)
[21:03] <staticsafe> postal system is excellent for explaining routing too
[21:03] <staticsafe> networking prof in first year used that
[21:03] <brycec> It's where I start when explaining basic tenets of networking
[21:04] <jpalmer> so,  we all tend to think around 10'ish is where I target for my presentation to the committee?
[21:05] <brycec> Seems that way. Of course, younger gifted/interests parties are welcome