#arpnetworks 2014-05-03,Sat

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verne.freenode.net sets mode: +o up_the_irons
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up_the_ironsm0unds: ah, 3 tons is large, yeah
36K BTU i think
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m0undsyeah, 12k x 3 [06:38]
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phlux1Does anyone here run a jabber server?
I'm looking into it and thinking about setting up a jabber network, but I have no fucking clue what I'm doing or how this is supposed to work
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m0undsi used to use openfire/wildfire years ago for a corporate xmpp network
i doubt that stuff exists still, and if it does, it's probably worse because it used java :)
jpalmer: http://i.imgur.com/UvEu5RK.png i need to build a coax antenna. seeing out about 75 mi w/the tiny TV ant that came w/the dongle
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phluxlooks like 'ejabberd' is what to use these days [08:53]
staticsafeyeah [08:54]
m0undsyeah
i only did openfire because it was at a site where i wasn't going to be working anymore and they wanted something with a gui
it actually got moved to that ancient fc3 box i mentioned the other day, haha
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phluxI might honestly move to ejabberd and just get away from IRC tbh
well, jabber in general
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m0undsi wish more people used it [08:58]
phluxI just can't seem to figure out how to allow registration [09:03]
m0undshahaha, detected flight THUG11 (C-17A Globemaster III) [09:08]
staticsafeTHUG
heh
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m0undsyeah
hahaha
i saw it pop up and did a double take
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staticsafeapparently its double XP weekend in PS2 [09:09]
m0undsit sure is
stupid briggs TR need to gtfo connery
they're so whiny and laggy
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staticsafehaha
they finally fixed briggs
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m0undsyeah [09:10]
staticsafethe CTO of SOE posted in the subreddit [09:10]
m0undsyeah
i saw that, pretty cool that he provided some detail
i always wondered how they did backend sync stuff
TR on connery ended up being the refugee faction for briggs players
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m0undsso they're all named $playerFromBriggs
DingusFromBriggs, etc
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staticsafeheh [09:12]
m0undsbut i kept getting tk'd by them, so i went VS for a bit and wrecked the TR for a bit - kdr was like 11 or something absurd :) [09:14]
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hazardouswhy ejabberd
you crazy erlang users???
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staticsafeas opposed to the lua garbage that is prosody? [09:44]
hazardouswhy not openfire [09:51]
m0undsdoes it still exist? haha
oh, it does
wacky
http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp
oof, still uses java
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phluxyeah
i'd rather not use java
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m0undsopenfire is pretty nice, but it's fat and java [10:08]
phluxhere's what I'm not liking
each client for jabber has different commands
no commands are passed to the server, it seems
so like there's no '/kick' in any client other than pidgin
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m0undshuh. [10:11]
mike-burnsI always go into Jabber thinking it's like IRC, and leave disappointed. [10:11]
m0undshahaha, it's a lot more AIM/MSN/ICQ than IRC [10:12]
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phluxyeah
We need an IRC successor tbh
IRC is dying, but I don't know where the people are going
what's the "new thing" these days?
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m0undsno idea
most of the people i talk to are still on irc
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phluxthere's no way they're all leaving for forums/reddit..
that's not updated real-time
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m0undsi haven't used an IM client in years, but it seems like lots of people still use those [11:29]
phluxI hate having to hit refresh and wait on replies [11:29]
m0undsi think w/mobile stuff being so ubiquitous that people have move towards stuff more appropriate for use on mobile [11:30]
mike-burnsIRC attracts a certain type: people who want to chat with the same group, or about the same topic, all day. The fact that it's real time isn't the important part for many. [11:32]
m0undsmost of the channels i'm in aren't topical really
err, aren't really topical
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phluxThe important parts of IRC for me: Channels can be created/maintained by individual personnel, and they're in real-time [11:33]
mike-burnsRight, that's the "chat with the same group". [11:33]
m0undsoh, missed the "or" the same topic
right
yeah, i think that's my use case in a nutshell
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mike-burnsChatting with online friends, who you may never physically meet.
That's probably a dying idea.
I suspect that IRC isn't being replaced with anything.
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m0undsyeah - there are a couple on a private network i'm usually on whom i've never met, but have chatted with for 15 tears
s/tears/years
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BryceBot<m0unds> yeah - there are a couple on a private network i'm usually on whom i've never met, but have chatted with for 15 years [11:34]
phluxthere's got to be something better out there [11:35]
m0undsdunno. i really do like being able to run a client on a remote box and just resume it when i have time, and leave it alone when i don't [11:35]
mike-burnsTwitter? [11:36]
bonratoni've moved away from the idea of maintaining friendships with people i have no way to meet in person somewhat
but still think IRC is the best communication medium we came up with so far
IRC is not dying, it died :) it's actually picking up again now, isnt it ?
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m0undsyea, lots more private networks and stuff
smaller public networks too
seems abuse is quite a bit more prevalent too
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mike-burnsI cannot imagine what could replace IRC. The logistics of moving every programmer over to a new chat protocol seems overwhelming. [11:43]
m0undsnot to mention how resistant lots of 'em are to changing stuff ;) [11:44]
mike-burnsOh totally; the idea of moving any one programmer to something new is overwhelming. [11:46]
m0undshaha, streaming data to flightradar24
fun fun
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phluxsilc looks promising
doesn't appear to be any web integration, though
sad
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mike-burnsThere's an irssi plugin and Pidgin/Colloquy support, according to Wiki. [11:54]
phluxyeah, but nothing that'd work like http://webchat.ewnix.net/ [11:54]
mike-burnshttp://silky.sourceforge.net/ - "Project closed". [11:55]
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phluxso I'm going to say
there's no real alternative for IRC as far as having integrated webchat AND being able to use a client is concerned.
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mnathaniis there a free jabber service?
or jabber network
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mhoranIs jabber.org still around? You used to just be able to register on that. [16:24]
staticsafeit is still around but registrations are closed iirc [16:32]
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mercutioit's quite easy to run your own, i think there's quite a few free ones around though
i think like there was a new zealand one for instance :)
http://www.jabber.co.nz/about/
like looks liek you can get that for free
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staticsafestaticsafe@jabber.org if anyone wants to add me [17:49]
mercutioit's pretty easy to do your own server too
http://www.jabberes.org/servers/

this may be of use to you
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bonratonthere are lots of free jabber services, arent there public server directories online?
ah i see one was just linked
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brycecmnathani: dukgo has free Jabber/XMPP too
(aka DuckDuckGo, aka ddg)
https://duck.co/blog/using-pidgin-with-xmpp-jabber
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