[01:22] *** carvite_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:25] *** phlux1 has joined #arpnetworks [01:29] *** milki_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:31] *** tellnes_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:34] *** treshoem2 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:34] *** milki has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:34] *** pcn has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:34] *** mercutio has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:34] *** tellnes has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:34] *** tellnes_ is now known as tellnes [01:35] *** carvite has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:35] *** phlux has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:35] *** carvite_ is now known as carvite [01:40] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [01:53] *** treshoem2 has joined #arpnetworks [01:53] *** pcn has joined #arpnetworks [01:53] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [06:54] up_the_irons: yeah, in the case of my pair of chassis, it's reserving for two additional supervisors, rather than just the standard single redundant sup [06:55] so...500W for one Sup2T, then reserving ~1000W for two more [06:55] I think it's a bug [06:55] also, yup, MX80 = 372W [06:56] also does N+1 PSUs rather than quasi-redundant power supplies like in cisco gear - they load share, and you can power the whole device off 3 PSUs, but there's also a fourth one in the chassis that serves as the +1 [07:08] well, i guess not less than 350W (too early for me to be reading) but /close to/ 350W :) [10:16] Anyone know of a website that specializes in the storage, collection, archiving, search and retreival of scanned images and documents? [10:17] tagging functionality as well as folders / labels would also be handy [10:28] *** milki_ is now known as milki [11:31] *** ben2 has joined #arpnetworks [11:32] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [11:33] *** treshoem2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [11:33] *** treshoem2 has joined #arpnetworks [12:28] m0unds: wow that's pretty cool of the MX80 [12:28] * up_the_irons looks for one on ebay [12:33] spec-wise, they're pretty impressive too [12:50] i'd like to mess with more j gear, but every site i've worked with is 100% cisco [12:53] haha, only $40k for an MX480 [12:53] "only" [12:56] jeez, for $40k, you can also get an EX8216 (16-slot EX8200 switch chassis) w/redundant PSUs, 3x 10GbE SFP+ line cards, 2x 48-port SFP line card and 2x 48 Port 10/100/1000 line cards [13:22] yeah the pricing is always crazy, which is why i never have the opportunity to get a juniper [13:24] just need to find a tipped over delivery truck full of j stuff [13:39] wont be hard [13:39] it's not like many people will be grabbing at stuff compared to an overturned alcohol truck or something [13:39] you could probably take the whole truck [13:44] hahaha [13:44] and a couple guys to help you move stuff - those switch chassis' are heavy heavy heavy [13:56] LOL [13:57] i actually found a 6506 chassis in a dumpster once. i grabbed it. ;) Never had the courage to use it cuz wtf, it could be garbage for real. had a big dent too, but could probably be hammered out. [13:58] hah [14:01] *** brycec is now known as ne [14:01] *** ne is now known as brycec [14:42] *** grepidemic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:01] do.. you still have it? [15:20] *** ben2 is now known as mercutio [15:22] m0unds: the J stuff isn't good for the modern internet [15:22] mercutio: and i know tons of folks who work on huge modern networks who would disagree [15:23] even MX120 sucks with full convergence [15:23] max120 is tiny [15:23] mx120 [15:23] juniper don't have SMP support yet [15:23] adn use small cpus [15:23] cisco use small cpus too, but have more efficient bgp implementation [15:23] they use appropriately specced cpus in their routing engines and other stuff [15:24] ask the folks who bought into nexus and ios xr how much fun that's been for them, haha [15:24] well route tables are going to get bigger, and if you want to do things like rpki it uses more cpu [15:24] i dunno i use bsd :) [15:24] and how cisco's own engineering folks realized they screwed up and had to reengineer an old product (6500) and release that because their flagship line is pretty terrible [15:25] i don't think one datapoint makes something better or worse than something else [15:25] well bgp convergence times are too long on the current internet [15:26] and with things like ddos attacks taking out transit links at times, or people just screwing up fibre connects, bgp convergence time is noticable. [15:26] also, junos has supported SMP since 8.5, if their release notes are trustworthy [15:27] curious [15:27] mx120 has two cpus only one used from what i read [15:29] SMP support in the kernel was added in 8.5 via an upgrade to the kernel and control plane (freebsd) [15:30] maybe i thinking of mx80 [15:30] i look eat list and i can't see 120 [15:30] last time i see anyone mentioning of it not supporting SMP was in 2011 [15:30] http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/M4zXgZAHIfCG3dgyuFF1 [15:30] i'd check if i had an MX80 in front of me [15:31] yeh i think it's mx80 i was thinking of [15:31] *** grepidemic has joined #arpnetworks [15:31] which still arne't cheap [15:33] the bgp convergence issue was due to rpd, and according to jtac that was fixed in 11.4R7-S1 [15:33] when was that? [15:33] some weird blocking condition [15:33] looking [15:33] i think it's 2 or 3 minutes when not foobared [15:33] and 15minutes plus when foobared [15:34] but it means people are hesitant to use full route tables on them [15:35] haha, they still haven't fixed my juniper acct [15:35] march of 2013 [15:35] they also don't have reundant re [15:36] larger chassis' do [15:36] yeh [15:36] can accommodate it anyway [15:36] then you have to pay for line cards [15:37] yep [15:37] and the cheap line cards don't do aqm [15:37] and the aqm line cards cost more [15:37] but i suppose networks is something poeople will invest in [15:37] yea, biggest capex here is networking equipment [15:38] i do think they're overpriced in general [15:38] and maybe this sdn stuff will improve matters [15:38] i think a lot of the dedicated networking gear is way expensive [15:38] in some cases i think it's justified, and in others i think it's absurd [15:38] cos it'd be nicer to have a pc or such control the routing [15:38] and just tell the switch where to send stuff [15:40] i want to see more interconnects everywhere myself [15:40] like between providers local peering etc [15:42] which means terminating connections for local users close too [15:43] which means needing a router or something close too, whiich means people are likely to use smaller routers [17:29] *** mus1cb0x has joined #arpnetworks [17:29] http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/is-there-a-firewall-filter-rate-limit-or-similar-device-applied-to-my-traffic is great [17:29] "SSH rate-limit inbound on port 22 (VPS only)" [17:29] now i don't need to run fail2ban on my vps's [17:30] awesome that it's documented too [17:33] Yep. [17:34] is it still good practice to run pf for basics such as filtering all port 22 access that doesn't come from my isp? [17:45] *** goodwill has joined #arpnetworks [17:46] stupid question: is using something like this to cool the a server room/closet considered to be a sane way to do things: http://www.tripplite.com/sku/SRCOOL12K/ [17:47] or this: http://www.schneider-electric.com/solutions/ww/en/med/4664183/application/pdf/487-srio-7h8gkg_r0_en_src.pdf [19:00] goodwill: we use similar units as backup cooling (in the event that our chiller plant has issues) [19:04] goodwill: same as m0unds we have 3 of them. but they are for emergency/backup only. if you don't setup a permanent drain line, there is a "bucket" that catches the water. If yuo don't drain it often enough, it has a switch that kills the unit so you don't flood the server room. In florida, that bucket fills in under 8 hours. [19:24] luckily, i'm in the desert and there's little to no condensate to drain, hahaha [22:01] *** SpeedBus has quit IRC (Quit: SpeedBus@CrownCloud.net) [22:13] *** SpeedBus has joined #arpnetworks [22:15] *** mus1cb0x has left "WeeChat 0.4.2" [22:18] m0unds: jpalmer : a lot of those units don't have the drain buckets anymore, they just evaporate it somehow [22:26] huh. [22:26] we've got a big-ass backup AC for our server room - it has a garden hose-sized drain on it. i think it's like a 3 ton unit or something ridiculous like that. takes two people to move it, despite it being on wheels. [22:42] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [22:44] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks