#arpnetworks 2014-04-14,Mon

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brycecup_the_irons: I thought you were upgrading hosts in order of host number? [00:08]
up_the_ironsno [00:09]
brycecClearly :p [00:09]
phluxam i being upgraded [00:10]
brycecOnly if you're on kvr17, phlux
https://twitter.com/arpnetworks/status/455603344929611776
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BryceBotTWITTER: dist-upgrade on host kvr17 is commencing; 1160 days of uptime, hate to reboot... ;) (Mon Apr 14 07:07:56 +0000 2014) [00:11]
phluxidk if i'm on kr17 or not
phlux checks
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brycecPresumably up_the_irons emailed the affected users beforehand? [00:12]
phluxkvr06 here [00:13]
up_the_ironsmaint notice went out last week [00:13]
phluxalso up_the_irons hates me
so it doesn't matter
amirite or amirite
[00:13]
bryceckvr07 representing!
Good guy up_the_irons
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phluxI want to know when I become a long-time customer as the topic suggests
cause I've been here a while
idk how long
feels like forever
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mercutiouhh it's up to kvr17?
does this mean kvr15 has already been done?
phlux: i think it's only so people can get kicked when they're annoying. which doesn't happen often.
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mike-burnsHe's not upgrading them in any kind of numerical order. [01:19]
mercutiooh [01:20]
up_the_ironsgarry@kvr17:~$ lsb_release -sd
Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS
garry@kvr17:~$
w00t
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mercutio14.04 out soon :)
do you graph load average?
i'd be curious if it decreases much with the newer ubuntu
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mercutiohttp://blog.cloudflare.com/the-results-of-the-cloudflare-challenge
kind of disconcerting
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jpalmerdisconcerting in what sense?
mercutio: disconcerting in that.. you hoped it wasn't true?
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m0undsstaticsafe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjP5vjn-Lac [10:21]
BryceBotYouTube Music: "Com Truise - "Subsonic" (Official Video)" by THUMP (4m 40s), 301 views, 20 likes and 1 dislike. Uploaded 2014-04-14T16:26:48.000Z. [10:21]
staticsafem0unds: :o [10:22]
m0undsthe video art is pretty neat, real early 90s feel [10:23]
staticsafeyeah [10:23]
brycecBut we've escaped the 90's... Why are you trying to bring it back? :p [10:36]
m0undssome of it is FUN
not a lot of it, but there's some fun to be had seeing throwback stuff
haha
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brycecYou're going to make me want to play SystemShock, and then I'm going to be upset. *sigh* [10:42]
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m0undsno reason to be sad about that, ss is awesome
m0unds installs ss2 via steam
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geez, i can't manage to get a competent team in titanfall. BOOOOO. [10:52]
mnathaniCan anyone recommend a decent VPS host that offers cPanel in Canada [10:55]
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brycecm0unds: SS (and SS2) make me sad because the controls were terrible and inconsistent.
Fun game, but that has always annoyed me
(Especially since someone pointed it out and it clicked for me why I was never really happy while playing.)
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phluxis kvr06 going to restart any time soon? [11:26]
brycecPresumably, not within the next week [11:27]
phluxalrighty then [11:28]
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brycecSince up_the_irons remarked that he sent out notices a week prior
Or whatever "last week" means 00:13:13 <@up_the_irons> maint notice went out last week
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phluxi have a filter and automatically delete e-mails from up_the_irons
they're never important
jk
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brycecI just never get ARP emails, things keep on ticking. [11:29]
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phluxI don't think I've ever received an e-mail from ARP in all honesty [11:46]
staticsafeother than invoices I guess [11:46]
brycecI just have the original signup and support emails [11:46]
m0undsi have invoices, ticket stuff and original sign-up [11:52]
phluxjust curious: is ubuntu 14.04 going to remove the amazon spyware?
not that i'm ever going to consider running ubuntu
[11:53]
boooo
#ubuntu is no fun
http://paste.ewnix.net/index.php?show=123
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mnathaniShould I be alarmed if a hosting provider only has he.net and cogent for transit? [12:08]
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brycecI wouldn't say "alarmed," not for that alone. But it's definitely a "budget" provider and apporpriate considerations should be made. (expectations of downtime, etc)
mnathani: ^
lol, exactly 1 hour later (minus 5 seconds)
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m0undshaha [13:58]
mercutiojpalmer: yeh i suppose [13:59]
m0undsyea, i wouldn't really worry about it - as long as they're not using a single transit provider for everything [13:59]
mercutiojpalmer: i was kind of hoping people were blowing it out of proportion [13:59]
m0undswoulda been nice, i guess
the verge posted a story about how people were worrying too much, citing cloudflare's challenge site's statement that no one had gotten the server keys yet
then they had to retract that because 12 hrs later, two guys had it
[14:01]
brycecYeah, sad times. One of the cloudflare guys I know was really crushed that others had extracted it so readily when he had thrown everything he could think of at it. [14:04]
m0undshate it when that happens
throw a ton of thought and time at something, trying to figure it out
and someone just spends a bit with it and nails it
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brycecAnd when it's sorta your job to know that shit, it's an especially sharp blow
cuz he takes pride in it and stuff
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m0undsyeah
that's a bummer
[14:06]
mercutiothat's why teams are better than individuals sometimes [14:13]
brycecThere were a few guys working on it, actually. [14:16]
mercutioi dunno i miss stuff all the time
but i spot stuff all the time too :/
more people can work well for people who think outside the box
cos can think outside the box in different ways
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up_the_ironsmercutio: load avg did in fact go down on the hosts upgraded to 12.04, but ya never know if that was b/c of the new OS, or just the fact that everything was scrubbed from the reboot (we tend not to reboot often ;)
phlux: i will be hard pressed to upgrade kvr06 (that is, reboot it); uptime is at 1539 days currently
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brycecheh
up_the_irons: what about kvr07, any time soon?
(If I may be so bold as to ask ^)
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up_the_ironsheh
uptime is 1521 days on kvr07 (just a bit behind kvr06)
[15:21]
brycecI wouldn't normally care, but I'm going on vacation and won't be around in case something doesn't reboot right on my VPS :p
Not bad :)
@date 1521 days ago
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BryceBot4 years, 8 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 0 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:21:54 -0800] [15:22]
up_the_ironswhoa, @date !
holy shit....
godamn
[15:22]
brycecheh, it's a handy function :D [15:22]
up_the_ironsit "feels" different when you say "4 years" [15:22]
m0unds``````hahaha [15:22]
brycecI know, awesome right? [15:22]
m0undswithout all the `````s [15:22]
up_the_ironsgawd that means that server was turned on once
when i installed it
[15:22]
brycecThat's frickin' awesome [15:23]
up_the_ironsi'm freakin' proud [15:23]
bryceco/ [15:23]
up_the_ironsm/ [15:23]
phluxup_the_irons: good - don't need it rebooting any time soon :) [15:28]
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up_the_ironsphlux: :) [15:53]
mercutioup_the_irons: probably a bit of both i suppose [15:58]
up_the_ironsyeah [15:59]
mercutiothis openssl thing still scares me
i imagine there's suddenly going to be lots of people trying to sppof dns, and pretend to be paypal or something
and even if it doesn't work very well, there's going to be more ddos type traffic
[15:59]
brycecI'm excited to see OpenBSD gutting it and bringing it up to OpenBSD specs (for OpenBSD only, of course) [16:07]
phluxup_the_irons: do you like megadeth [16:07]
up_the_ironsphlux: i like some stuff [16:08]
phluxwat
>be iron maiden fan
>only like some megadeth
u cray
i swear if i wasn't paying you to ddos staticsafe 24/7 356 i would be out of here
s/356/365
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BryceBot<phlux> i swear if i wasn't paying you to ddos staticsafe 24/7 365 i would be out of here [16:09]
mnathani@date 9876 days ago [16:11]
BryceBot27 years, 2 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 0 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Tue, 31 Mar 1987 16:11:12 -0800] [16:11]
mnathani@date 10276 days ago [16:11]
BryceBot28 years, 7 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 0 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Mon, 24 Feb 1986 16:11:31 -0800] [16:11]
phluxthat's when i started ddosing staticsafe [16:11]
mnathani@date 10576 days ago [16:11]
BryceBot28 years, 50 weeks, 6 days, 0 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Tue, 30 Apr 1985 16:11:37 -0700] [16:11]
staticsafephlux: i didn't even exist in 1987 [16:12]
mnathani@date 10776 days ago [16:12]
BryceBot29 years, 27 weeks, 2 days, 0 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Fri, 12 Oct 1984 16:11:50 -0700] [16:12]
phluxoh [16:12]
brycecIf you're looking for a *gorgeous* 27" IPS 2560x1440 monitor (from a good brand and American-based warranty, etc) $339.99 https://www.massdrop.com/buy/monoprice-monitor?mode=guest_open [16:12]
phluxneither did ia ctually
sep 1, 1988
my bday
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brycec@date Sep 1, 1988 [16:12]
BryceBot25 years, 33 weeks, 16 hours, 12 minutes, 11 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Thu, 01 Sep 1988 00:00:00 -0700] [16:12]
brycecphlux: ^^ [16:12]
mnathani[FBI] off [16:12]
phluxi was born on a thursday? [16:12]
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brycecwb [FBI] [16:15]
phluxthey just came out with, imo, their best album yet though
lightning bolt
if you're into them, you should give it a listen..i saw them in concert here in new orleans back in november
amazing show
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mnathaniwhat would you say to a host that houses its customers in subnets of Mask:255.255.252.0 Public IP space [16:49]
brycecNobody's perfect :p
(Except ARP, obviously :p)
[16:50]
mnathaniwell its a cloud provider so I suppose they need some flexibility? [16:51]
brycecThere could be some good reasons... I can't really grok it right now, too much $work
It's not an "immediate no" thoug
h
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m0undsmnathani: are you required to target a canadian host, or can "close to canada" work? [16:56]
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mnathaniCanadian host is a requirement
my customer beleives that is has value in terms of SEO
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staticsafeo_o [17:29]
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brycec"my customer beleives" that's a nice, PC way of putting it :D [18:22]
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mnathaniI think I should run now, this host has core routers listening on telnet ports with no passwords to get into user mode
Didnt try any commands on the router to see how much they have exposed or perhaps allow exec mode as well
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staticsafeo_o [19:42]
brycecO_O
yes, run mnathani, run like the wind.
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jm|laptop. [19:52]
brycec, [19:59]
mnathani; [19:59]
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m0undshttp://imgur.com/a/uPntl [22:01]
mnathaniIt just keeps getting worse: Kindly note that the DNS hosting of your server are not managed by us. You need to contact your remote DNS hosting provider to setup RDNS for your IP addresses. [22:01]
brycecm0unds: I... don't get it? [22:02]
m0undsneither do i [22:02]
brycecI don't see the issue, mnathani. So they don't want to run their own DNS? [22:03]
m0undsi don't think i could possibly be more confused
yea..i don't like my eggs in one basket, so i outsource dns
also hate running my own dns
[22:03]
brycecNothing against ARP, but I don't host my DNS with ARP. [22:04]
m0undsso i guess i'm prejudiced [22:04]
brycecI'm much more comfortable with an established DNS provider, one with a robust anycast infrastructure [22:04]
mnathaniit was a simple request, add PTR records for their IP space
they have their own name servers for the zone already, but their tier 2 doesnt understand the request
[22:04]
brycecAt least glue, yeah. But the provider wouldn't do that? [22:05]

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