#arpnetworks 2014-04-09,Wed

So far this morning I've managed to lose my IRC network's hub, crash a VPS hosted elsewhere, and in an attempt to get the dogs to stop barking, I pulled my blinds right off of the wall.
My blinds for that particular window are sitting crumpled on the floor
I've been awake for about 10 minutes
We just had a son, so I only got about 2 hours total last night
I'm about to crack here.
>_<

[06:11]

staticsafe

radixo: it is KVM

[06:18]

phlux

i'm about to an hero

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radixo

staticsafe: I have some problems with slowless trying to run OpenBSD 'amd64', using VirtualBOX, VMWare Player and XenServer.. do you know why?

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phlux

radixo: I fail to see how this is an ARPNetworks issue.

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brycec

"slowless" so, a lack of slow? I fail to see the problem in that :^)

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radixo

phlux: I think here is a place with contact with phlux, and not only to speak about issues..

[08:21]

phlux

#english

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[08:22]

brycec

Based on that IP, I'd say English isn't their first language phlux :p

[08:23]

phlux

yeah i doubt it too
but
this channel is american damnit
and i'm proud of that

[08:23]

m0unds

i thought it was chinese
damn.

[08:23]

brycec

radixo: We try to stay "on topic," a support channel for customers of ARPNetworks.com

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[08:24]

brycec

Yeah, you'd better run m0unds

[08:24]

m0unds

hahaha

[08:24]

brycec

oh you're back

[08:24]

m0unds

you jerk

[08:24]

brycec

And no, I don't know why you'd better run... It just seemed the right thing to say at the time.

[08:24]

phlux

it was

[08:24]

brycec

Oh man, The Jerk... awesome movie.

[08:24]

m0unds

it was, assuming i wasn't here anymore
now i know how you really feel
:*(

[08:24]

radixo

brycec: so the website says I can stablish contact with this channel.

[08:25]

phlux

right
for support
with arpnetworks.com
not with openbsd
#openbsd

[08:26]

m0unds

#yolo

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[08:26]

brycec

radixo: As for "slowness" there are LOTS of reasons why. But it's definitely not inherent to OpenBSD, or VirtualBox or VMware (how the heck do you run OpenBSD on Xen? haven't heard of that one). Many, many OpenBSD virtual machines have been spun up and shutdown, never had a "slowness" issue related to them. (Usually related to the backing store)

[08:27]

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[08:27]

brycec

Anyhow, if you haven't been kickbanned already, #openbsd is the place to idly talk about OpenBSD, ask questions, that sort of thing.

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[08:28]

m0unds

i think it works if you use xen hvm
same way you can get freebsd running in xen - such a kludge to get it working without it though

[08:28]

brycec

"on the Mailing List there's only 1 success for OpenBSD" http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_FAQ_Compatibility

[08:29]

m0unds

on the mailing list, sure, but i've gotten it running before and it ran like dogshit

[08:30]

brycec

Generally, I avoid Xen as much as possible. Which is currently 99% (Stupid Chunkhost...)

[08:30]

m0unds

haha
same w/freebsd
i tested xen in my home lab for like 2 weeks, then said screw it and set up kvm which just works

[08:30]

brycec

lol, Xen on ARM... I can just imagine a very, very overburdened RaspberryPi smoking itself. http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Common_Problems#Compatibility

[08:31]

m0unds

hahahaha

[08:31]

sjackso

linode is xen based, isn't it? There are legends of heavily bearded men who got freebsd to run on their systems, but (it seems) only legends. :)

[08:31]

m0unds

i got freebsd running at linode, but it was far from stable
and it needed coaxing to start if it shut down for whatever reason

[08:31]

brycec

I played with Xen 6 or 7 years ago, before it was bought up by $somebody. Pain in the ass, and not worth it at the time. I had plenty of bare metal laying around anyways.

[08:32]

sjackso

m0unds: may your beard always propser

[08:32]

m0unds

haha, WHY THANK YOU
citrix?

[08:32]

brycec

Sounds right
(not that it really matters :p)

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[09:06]

phlux

we've been good, but we won't last
hurry christmas
hurry fast

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mnathani

flickr and yahoo have vulnerable SSL

[10:57]

brycec

*still*?

[10:58]

sjackso

still?

[10:58]

brycec

haha sjackso

[10:58]

mnathani

as per that scan
I think its customary to say Jinx brycec sjackso

[10:58]

sjackso

you'd think the bot would do that automatically ;)

[10:58]

brycec

It could... but the two messages weren't identical :p
(also, never considered that before.))

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[10:59]

radixo

thanks all of you guys.
for the answers.. I am trying to experiment obsd at cloud.. and I will try arpnetworks..
rhank you.
s/rhank/thank/

[11:02]

BryceBot

<radixo> thank you.

[11:03]

brycec

Many, many happy customers here running OpenBSD.

[11:04]

radixo

brycec: can you tell me what type of applications they run? I will do image processing and webserver requests

[11:06]

brycec

I don't know them personally... many hang out in here

[11:06]

radixo

awsome!!
thanks again..
see you!!
and phlux is sucks.. ;) lol

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[11:09]

m0unds

you hear that, phlux? you is sucks.

[11:09]

brycec

wtf
that's not cool
I don't like that fellow. -.-
And I'm not even the one who is sucks.

[11:09]

m0unds

at least we weren't left with any huehuehuehuehuehuehuehues

[11:10]

phlux

lol
so let me ask you guys a question

[11:10]

brycec

s/sk/ks/

[11:10]

BryceBot

<phlux> so let me aks you guys a question

[11:10]

phlux

two individuals were discussing pedos in a "hosting support" channel
so enter this new guy
who says they shouldn't talk about that because it's a "hosting chan"

[11:11]

brycec

I'm going to assume you mean pedometers...

[11:11]

phlux

nah
some guy said some other guy harassed little girls

[11:11]

brycec

*LALALALALALA*

[11:11]

phlux

but that's beside the point
so dude comes in saying that's off topic
and shouldn't be discussed in a hosting channel
meanwhile, same dude posts this apology about himself, talks about shooting up a grocery store, and how he is depressed because he was raped: http://pastebin.com/Apz63ptf
so
he's also not on topic right
i just want to be clear here
keep in mind i wasn't any of the three individuals
but i did call out the dude who sent his heartfelt apology about hating himself to an irc channel instead of a therapist

[11:11]

m0unds

huh

[11:15]

brycec

I'm still waiting for a question...

[11:15]

phlux

13:12:39 phlux │ he's also not on topic right
also
how ridiculous is it for homefry to send that out to an irc channel full of strangers

[11:15]

m0unds

pretty ridiculous, sounds like he likes/wants/craves attention

[11:16]

brycec

Yes, obviously off topic. Thought that was rhetorical :p

[11:16]

phlux

i really need to find a hosting company without mental patients
m0unds: exactly

[11:16]

brycec

Approximately Internet ridiculous.

[11:16]

phlux

i need to just move all of my stuff to arp
but i'm lazy

[11:16]

brycec

doeeet

[11:16]

phlux

#centarra is full of aspergers kids who crave attention
i swear there's a new one ever yweek
every, even
and i don't think they've been diagnosed with anything
they just crave attention
no one brags about health conditions - especially to strangers who couldn't care less on irc
side note: that apology is pretty hilarious, isn't it?

[11:17]

brycec

Just a bit circlejerk... Craves attention, is provided attention by others that crave attention, next week a new dipshit pops up.
*big circlejerk

[11:18]

phlux

I think I'm going to discontinue service with them
and to do so, I'll file a support ticket

[11:19]

brycec

There are large parts of the Internet filled with that type of person. I avoid it.

[11:19]

phlux

"Why is the support channel full of admitted mental patients? For an example see mosh's apology letter here: http://paste.url"

[11:20]

m0unds

lol

[11:20]

phlux

of course, staticsafe will probably snitch before I get the chance to do it
he uses them, too
and i forgot he was in here

[11:20]

staticsafe

pls don't involve me kthx

[11:21]

phlux

he stalks me on freenode fyi
well
don't involve yourself by snitching kthx

[11:21]

brycec

lol

[11:22]

phlux

if you snitch i will demand an apology at least twice the length of mosh's
if it doesn't show i will pay up_the_irons the ddos you 24/7 365
u = ded

[11:22]

staticsafe

rss2email is pretty cool

[11:25]

phlux

haven't used it

[11:25]

brycec

Yep.
brycec uses it

[11:25]

phlux

i use newsbeuter for arch rss
i assume it just takes rss feeds and e-mails them to you, aye?

[11:25]

brycec

It's my Google Reader replacement, way better too since it's just in my inbox rather than being yet another website to forget.

[11:25]

staticsafe

phlux: yea

[11:26]

brycec

phlux: pretty much. Cron job checks RSS feeds, emails you new posts.

[11:26]

phlux

interesting

[11:26]

staticsafe

http://www.allthingsrss.com/rss2email/getting-started-with-rss2email/

[11:26]

phlux

can GMail dump the rss feeds into a folder other than my inbox? Probably with a filter if rss2email prefixes with a subject

[11:26]

brycec

phlux: yes, filtering. And there's a header IRIC
*IIRC

[11:27]

phlux

beautiful
thanks for the info, brycec and staticsafe

[11:27]

staticsafe

yea it adds multiple headers

[11:27]

phlux

staticsafe: btw, i was joking about the snitching.

[11:27]

staticsafe

i realized :P

[11:27]

phlux

haha
more people should take me less seriously, i think

[11:27]

brycec

In a way, phlux snitched on staticsafe - you're both unfaithful to ARP!

[11:28]

staticsafe

[11:28]

phlux

oh man
you're right :(
i've actually talked to up_the_irons about it, too
i just haven't done it yet
can arp run linux, or just bsds?

[11:28]

staticsafe

both

[11:28]

phlux

nice

[11:29]

brycec

btw phlux I took the easy approach, rss2email just sends to user+rss@mygappsdomain.com, and I filter on that specific address.

[11:29]

phlux

the one I have is a FreeBSD VPS

[11:29]

staticsafe

anything that can run in KVM will probably work

[11:29]

brycec

Even Windows

[11:29]

phlux

brycec: that /is/ easy

[11:29]

brycec

And it works :)

[11:29]

staticsafe

watching a lecture on multicast, shit is complicated ._.

[11:29]

brycec

'tis a bit, yeah.
Remember when programming, don't try and set the multicast ttl on a non-multicast socket :)
brycec made that goofup just yesterday

[11:30]

staticsafe

whee IGMP

[11:34]

sjackso

staticsafe: just out of curiosity, is it the coursera networking course? (I guess probably not since it didn't go into that much depth)

[11:45]

m0unds

http://packetlife.net/library/cheat-sheets/ if anyone's interested

[11:46]

staticsafe

sjackso: nope, this is CCNP switch material for my university's networking program

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[12:45]

pcn

multicast: just say no
everywhere I've been that enabled it had to turn it down for anything ambitious

[12:47]

staticsafe

what about IPTV deployments?

[12:53]

m0unds

haha
i'm in a 10gbit/sec multicast video env :)
our IS dept runs a comparatively tiny IPTV deployment that also uses multicast w/IP STBs
hell, even directv's whole home DVRs use multicast + decnet devices for getting video to ancillary receivers
err, deca
not decnet..like it's 1978 or something

[12:54]

staticsafe

heh

[12:58]

m0unds

deca/moca

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[12:58]

phlux

so
is ARP IPv7 ready?
If not, I have to move on..

[13:03]

staticsafe

lol

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[13:04]

brycec

Is there a final ipv7 yet, phlux? If not, then that's unfair to hold ARP to something that doesn't yet really exist.

And relevant http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/021811-vint-cerf-ipv7.html

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[13:27]

patchouly

anyone?

[13:27]

brycec

someone?

[13:28]

patchouly

yes, wanting to initiate a contract with ARP

[13:31]

brycec

patchouly: Click the appropriate "Order" button http://arpnetworks.com/
Payment details shared over IRC is never, ever a good idea :D

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[13:36]

patchouly

you are right, on the contrary wanted to have a test period of ten days, so to see if this really is an option, before being locked in at the mery of ARP whatever conditions.

[13:38]

brycec

You should probably email them directly

[13:40]

patchouly

done, thanks, was scanning for the experiences of others in relation to them. But yes i mailed them 'evenly' one on one.

[13:41]

brycec

In my experience, very few hosts offer a "trial period." And in my limited scope, I haven't heard of ARP doing such a thing. (But I'm nobody, just hanging out in an IRC channel).
It's more likely that you can sign up, and if you cancel before the month, you'd be refunded a prorated amount.
But really, ARP is pretty inexpensive to try for a month.

[13:44]

up_the_irons

we don't do trials
since we pro-rate your first month, sign up a few days before the end of the month, and then cancel
since the cheapest plan is $10, pro-rated a few days is like $2, so if that doesn't work for anyone, please go elsewhere :)

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[13:53]

patchoul1

hello world

[13:54]

brycec

up_the_irons ftw

[13:55]

Guest30743

ok, thnks for the advice, if they come up with something similar, and there are no hidden surprises in matters of service, i guess that should indeed do.
the offense in general to me is the intransparency in the commercial coding, intentionally to make money. This is a theoretical issue, not an ARP one mind.

[13:56]

brycec

"intransparency in the commercial coding" what?
"intentionally to make money." you mean the purpose of a business isn't to turn a profit?

[14:00]

patchoul1

discussing the systemics of intransparency allowed to confuse into incremental profit and exponential aggravation on the deplorable consumer.

[14:02]

patchouly

in the end it is leveraging in who is at the top capital-wise, and for the involved whether they look down, or up to weight relative quality of comfort and happiness acordingly.

[14:06]

brycec

I disagree with completely your arguments only. There is no personal attack here. You refuse to accept the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of annoying propaganda and prejudice. You reject anything involved with the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of foolish propaganda and stupidity.

[14:07]

patchoul1

yes indeed, my brainwaves spun out into authistic overevaluation of lack of control. I will render the first part, as far as openbsd is concerned, if i find it wholesome and well behind the payment, that at least is a well documented, not errorprone partner for the while.

[14:09]

brycec

But there is a flexible yet critical democracy, and your argument would disagree with completely it. Is this well-constructed? I think it is obvious that your statement is foolish and foolish. You argue strenuously for dangerous propaganda. I argue strenuously against that.

[14:10]

patchoul1

what is your native speak? you do not seem to be a native american english speaker.

[14:12]

brycec

Can there be any doubt? I try to posit clear, clear realism, and you obviously do not.

[14:13]

patchoul1

i mean language wise, are you French speaker, anything else?
German, sprichts du Deutch?
Deutsch?

[14:15]

See i have offended y. though that was not my intention. No experience with chat rooms, irc, that sais it all, on my side.

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m0unds

brycec: the you ok?

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[15:50]

phlux

is this real life
this dude types shit like that last line
"i have offended y." "that sais it all"
and then criticizes brycec's english?
where's ashton kutcher at
we're being punked
15:04:44 brycec │ Is there a final ipv7 yet, phlux? If not, then that's unfair to hold ARP <--I was joking about that btw :P

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[15:52]

phlux

also up_the_irons, will you ddos staticsafe plz

[15:53]

m0unds

IPEEZ ARE SRS

[15:53]

phlux

this is the dawning of irc is super srs
irc is super srssssssssssssssssssss

[15:53]

up_the_irons

phlux is gonna lose it
phlux: you need more than 2 hours sleep :)

[15:53]

phlux

I know :(
the good news? I might actually have time to finally make the jump exclusively to arp :P

[15:54]

up_the_irons

sweet

[15:57]

brycec

lol 15:47:29 >> m0unds<< brycec: the you ok?
phlux, m0unds: I sic'd kookbot on him
@kook

[16:00]

BryceBot

One must consider compassion versus stupidity. You embrace shameful oppression. I disagree with completely that. But there is a honest justice, and your argument would object to it.

[16:00]

brycec

Because... dude wasn't making a lick of sense
So I threw it back
And kook's English is still perfect English.
and lol 15:51:42 < phlux> we're being punked
And eventually I stopped wasting my time

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m0unds

hahahah

[16:18]

pjs

up_the_irons any status update on the 2 new orders I put in yesterday for my clients? (sorry to pester, we're on a tight timeline.. these fuckers)

[16:23]

brycec

@google kookbot

[16:23]

BryceBot

Searching for 'kookbox' instead.
10,500 total results returned for 'kookbox', here's 3
Kookbox | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kookbox/111296942222776) Kookbox. 4970 likes · 77 talking about this. surfers for surfers....
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[16:23]

brycec

damnit Google... http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~klee/misc/kookbot.html

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m0unds

hah

[16:44]

up_the_irons

pjs: yeah i was just about to do them; they were in front of me last night and i literally fell asleep at the keyboard

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[16:47]

pjs

up_the_irons hah, cool. If possible (not sure if you can legally) include me on the account details email?
peter@netlandish.com

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[16:49]

brycec

Too late now, pjs, but... you might want to reconsider exposing your email address in a publicly logged (and possibly crawled) IRC channel ;)

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pjs

brycec, my email is all over the damn place.. too late to worry about that :)

[17:09]

m0unds

...biz markie singing benny and the jets

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mnathani

up_the_irons: I believe git log on the backup service requires use of the 'less' binary within the chroot

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[23:16]

phlux

well, this is interesting news..
nenolod has left atheme
i wonder if that means freenode will take on a different services package..
and i guess that means i'll have to be on the lookout for one soon

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KDE_Perry

geez how many of us from there are in here

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