#arpnetworks 2014-04-09,Wed

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radixo	Hello guys.. I wanna know what is the tecnology behind ARPNETWORKS to virtualize OpenBSD amd64	[06:07]
phlux	So far this morning I've managed to lose my IRC network's hub, crash a VPS hosted elsewhere, and in an attempt to get the dogs to stop barking, I pulled my blinds right off of the wall. My blinds for that particular window are sitting crumpled on the floor I've been awake for about 10 minutes We just had a son, so I only got about 2 hours total last night I'm about to crack here. >_<	[06:11]
staticsafe	radixo: it is KVM	[06:18]
phlux	i'm about to an hero	[06:19]
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radixo	staticsafe: I have some problems with slowless trying to run OpenBSD 'amd64', using VirtualBOX, VMWare Player and XenServer.. do you know why?	[06:48]
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phlux	radixo: I fail to see how this is an ARPNetworks issue.	[07:35]
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brycec	"slowless" so, a lack of slow? I fail to see the problem in that :^)	[07:52]
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radixo	phlux: I think here is a place with contact with phlux, and not only to speak about issues..	[08:21]
phlux	#english	[08:22]
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brycec	Based on that IP, I'd say English isn't their first language phlux :p	[08:23]
phlux	yeah i doubt it too but this channel is american damnit and i'm proud of that	[08:23]
m0unds	i thought it was chinese damn.	[08:23]
brycec	radixo: We try to stay "on topic," a support channel for customers of ARPNetworks.com	[08:24]
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brycec	Yeah, you'd better run m0unds	[08:24]
m0unds	hahaha	[08:24]
brycec	oh you're back	[08:24]
m0unds	you jerk	[08:24]
brycec	And no, I don't know why you'd better run... It just seemed the right thing to say at the time.	[08:24]
phlux	it was	[08:24]
brycec	Oh man, The Jerk... awesome movie.	[08:24]
m0unds	it was, assuming i wasn't here anymore now i know how you really feel :*(	[08:24]
radixo	brycec: so the website says I can stablish contact with this channel.	[08:25]
phlux	right for support with arpnetworks.com not with openbsd #openbsd	[08:26]
m0unds	#yolo	[08:26]
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brycec	radixo: As for "slowness" there are LOTS of reasons why. But it's definitely not inherent to OpenBSD, or VirtualBox or VMware (how the heck do you run OpenBSD on Xen? haven't heard of that one). Many, many OpenBSD virtual machines have been spun up and shutdown, never had a "slowness" issue related to them. (Usually related to the backing store)	[08:27]
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brycec	Anyhow, if you haven't been kickbanned already, #openbsd is the place to idly talk about OpenBSD, ask questions, that sort of thing.	[08:27]
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m0unds	i think it works if you use xen hvm same way you can get freebsd running in xen - such a kludge to get it working without it though	[08:28]
brycec	"on the Mailing List there's only 1 success for OpenBSD" http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_FAQ_Compatibility	[08:29]
m0unds	on the mailing list, sure, but i've gotten it running before and it ran like dogshit	[08:30]
brycec	Generally, I avoid Xen as much as possible. Which is currently 99% (Stupid Chunkhost...)	[08:30]
m0unds	haha same w/freebsd i tested xen in my home lab for like 2 weeks, then said screw it and set up kvm which just works	[08:30]
brycec	lol, Xen on ARM... I can just imagine a very, very overburdened RaspberryPi smoking itself. http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Common_Problems#Compatibility	[08:31]
m0unds	hahahaha	[08:31]
sjackso	linode is xen based, isn't it? There are legends of heavily bearded men who got freebsd to run on their systems, but (it seems) only legends. :)	[08:31]
m0unds	i got freebsd running at linode, but it was far from stable and it needed coaxing to start if it shut down for whatever reason	[08:31]
brycec	I played with Xen 6 or 7 years ago, before it was bought up by $somebody. Pain in the ass, and not worth it at the time. I had plenty of bare metal laying around anyways.	[08:32]
sjackso	m0unds: may your beard always propser	[08:32]
m0unds	haha, WHY THANK YOU citrix?	[08:32]
brycec	Sounds right (not that it really matters :p)	[08:33]
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phlux	we've been good, but we won't last hurry christmas hurry fast	[09:08]
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mnathani	flickr and yahoo have vulnerable SSL	[10:57]
brycec	still?	[10:58]
sjackso	still?	[10:58]
brycec	haha sjackso	[10:58]
mnathani	as per that scan I think its customary to say Jinx brycec sjackso	[10:58]
sjackso	you'd think the bot would do that automatically ;)	[10:58]
brycec	It could... but the two messages weren't identical :p (also, never considered that before.))	[10:59]
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radixo	thanks all of you guys. for the answers.. I am trying to experiment obsd at cloud.. and I will try arpnetworks.. rhank you. s/rhank/thank/	[11:02]
BryceBot	<radixo> thank you.	[11:03]
brycec	Many, many happy customers here running OpenBSD.	[11:04]
radixo	brycec: can you tell me what type of applications they run? I will do image processing and webserver requests	[11:06]
brycec	I don't know them personally... many hang out in here	[11:06]
radixo	awsome!! thanks again.. see you!! and phlux is sucks.. ;) lol	[11:08]
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m0unds	you hear that, phlux? you is sucks.	[11:09]
brycec	wtf that's not cool I don't like that fellow. -.- And I'm not even the one who is sucks.	[11:09]
m0unds	at least we weren't left with any huehuehuehuehuehuehuehues	[11:10]
phlux	lol so let me ask you guys a question	[11:10]
brycec	s/sk/ks/	[11:10]
BryceBot	<phlux> so let me aks you guys a question	[11:10]
phlux	two individuals were discussing pedos in a "hosting support" channel so enter this new guy who says they shouldn't talk about that because it's a "hosting chan"	[11:11]
brycec	I'm going to assume you mean pedometers...	[11:11]
phlux	nah some guy said some other guy harassed little girls	[11:11]
brycec	LALALALALALA	[11:11]
phlux	but that's beside the point so dude comes in saying that's off topic and shouldn't be discussed in a hosting channel meanwhile, same dude posts this apology about himself, talks about shooting up a grocery store, and how he is depressed because he was raped: http://pastebin.com/Apz63ptf so he's also not on topic right i just want to be clear here keep in mind i wasn't any of the three individuals but i did call out the dude who sent his heartfelt apology about hating himself to an irc channel instead of a therapist	[11:11]
m0unds	huh	[11:15]
brycec	I'm still waiting for a question...	[11:15]
phlux	13:12:39 phlux │ he's also not on topic right also how ridiculous is it for homefry to send that out to an irc channel full of strangers	[11:15]
m0unds	pretty ridiculous, sounds like he likes/wants/craves attention	[11:16]
brycec	Yes, obviously off topic. Thought that was rhetorical :p	[11:16]
phlux	i really need to find a hosting company without mental patients m0unds: exactly	[11:16]
brycec	Approximately Internet ridiculous.	[11:16]
phlux	i need to just move all of my stuff to arp but i'm lazy	[11:16]
brycec	doeeet	[11:16]
phlux	#centarra is full of aspergers kids who crave attention i swear there's a new one ever yweek every, even and i don't think they've been diagnosed with anything they just crave attention no one brags about health conditions - especially to strangers who couldn't care less on irc side note: that apology is pretty hilarious, isn't it?	[11:17]
brycec	Just a bit circlejerk... Craves attention, is provided attention by others that crave attention, next week a new dipshit pops up. *big circlejerk	[11:18]
phlux	I think I'm going to discontinue service with them and to do so, I'll file a support ticket	[11:19]
brycec	There are large parts of the Internet filled with that type of person. I avoid it.	[11:19]
phlux	"Why is the support channel full of admitted mental patients? For an example see mosh's apology letter here: http://paste.url"	[11:20]
m0unds	lol	[11:20]
phlux	of course, staticsafe will probably snitch before I get the chance to do it he uses them, too and i forgot he was in here	[11:20]
staticsafe	pls don't involve me kthx	[11:21]
phlux	he stalks me on freenode fyi well don't involve yourself by snitching kthx	[11:21]
brycec	lol	[11:22]
phlux	if you snitch i will demand an apology at least twice the length of mosh's if it doesn't show i will pay up_the_irons the ddos you 24/7 365 u = ded	[11:22]
staticsafe	rss2email is pretty cool	[11:25]
phlux	haven't used it	[11:25]
brycec	Yep. brycec uses it	[11:25]
phlux	i use newsbeuter for arch rss i assume it just takes rss feeds and e-mails them to you, aye?	[11:25]
brycec	It's my Google Reader replacement, way better too since it's just in my inbox rather than being yet another website to forget.	[11:25]
staticsafe	phlux: yea	[11:26]
brycec	phlux: pretty much. Cron job checks RSS feeds, emails you new posts.	[11:26]
phlux	interesting	[11:26]
staticsafe	http://www.allthingsrss.com/rss2email/getting-started-with-rss2email/	[11:26]
phlux	can GMail dump the rss feeds into a folder other than my inbox? Probably with a filter if rss2email prefixes with a subject	[11:26]
brycec	phlux: yes, filtering. And there's a header IRIC *IIRC	[11:27]
phlux	beautiful thanks for the info, brycec and staticsafe	[11:27]
staticsafe	yea it adds multiple headers	[11:27]
phlux	staticsafe: btw, i was joking about the snitching.	[11:27]
staticsafe	i realized :P	[11:27]
phlux	haha more people should take me less seriously, i think	[11:27]
brycec	In a way, phlux snitched on staticsafe - you're both unfaithful to ARP!	[11:28]
staticsafe	:(	[11:28]
phlux	oh man you're right :( i've actually talked to up_the_irons about it, too i just haven't done it yet can arp run linux, or just bsds?	[11:28]
staticsafe	both	[11:28]
phlux	nice	[11:29]
brycec	btw phlux I took the easy approach, rss2email just sends to user+rss@mygappsdomain.com, and I filter on that specific address.	[11:29]
phlux	the one I have is a FreeBSD VPS	[11:29]
staticsafe	anything that can run in KVM will probably work	[11:29]
brycec	Even Windows	[11:29]
phlux	brycec: that /is/ easy	[11:29]
brycec	And it works :)	[11:29]
staticsafe	watching a lecture on multicast, shit is complicated ._.	[11:29]
brycec	'tis a bit, yeah. Remember when programming, don't try and set the multicast ttl on a non-multicast socket :) brycec made that goofup just yesterday	[11:30]
staticsafe	whee IGMP	[11:34]
sjackso	staticsafe: just out of curiosity, is it the coursera networking course? (I guess probably not since it didn't go into that much depth)	[11:45]
m0unds	http://packetlife.net/library/cheat-sheets/ if anyone's interested	[11:46]
staticsafe	sjackso: nope, this is CCNP switch material for my university's networking program	[11:53]
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pcn	multicast: just say no everywhere I've been that enabled it had to turn it down for anything ambitious	[12:47]
staticsafe	what about IPTV deployments?	[12:53]
m0unds	haha i'm in a 10gbit/sec multicast video env :) our IS dept runs a comparatively tiny IPTV deployment that also uses multicast w/IP STBs hell, even directv's whole home DVRs use multicast + decnet devices for getting video to ancillary receivers err, deca not decnet..like it's 1978 or something	[12:54]
staticsafe	heh	[12:58]
m0unds	deca/moca	[12:58]
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phlux	so is ARP IPv7 ready? If not, I have to move on..	[13:03]
staticsafe	lol	[13:03]
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brycec	Is there a final ipv7 yet, phlux? If not, then that's unfair to hold ARP to something that doesn't yet really exist. And relevant http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/021811-vint-cerf-ipv7.html	[13:05]
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patchouly	anyone?	[13:27]
brycec	someone?	[13:28]
patchouly	yes, wanting to initiate a contract with ARP	[13:31]
brycec	patchouly: Click the appropriate "Order" button http://arpnetworks.com/ Payment details shared over IRC is never, ever a good idea :D	[13:33]
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patchouly	you are right, on the contrary wanted to have a test period of ten days, so to see if this really is an option, before being locked in at the mery of ARP whatever conditions.	[13:38]
brycec	You should probably email them directly	[13:40]
patchouly	done, thanks, was scanning for the experiences of others in relation to them. But yes i mailed them 'evenly' one on one.	[13:41]
brycec	In my experience, very few hosts offer a "trial period." And in my limited scope, I haven't heard of ARP doing such a thing. (But I'm nobody, just hanging out in an IRC channel). It's more likely that you can sign up, and if you cancel before the month, you'd be refunded a prorated amount. But really, ARP is pretty inexpensive to try for a month.	[13:44]
up_the_irons	we don't do trials since we pro-rate your first month, sign up a few days before the end of the month, and then cancel since the cheapest plan is $10, pro-rated a few days is like $2, so if that doesn't work for anyone, please go elsewhere :)	[13:50]
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patchoul1	hello world	[13:54]
brycec	up_the_irons ftw	[13:55]
Guest30743	ok, thnks for the advice, if they come up with something similar, and there are no hidden surprises in matters of service, i guess that should indeed do. the offense in general to me is the intransparency in the commercial coding, intentionally to make money. This is a theoretical issue, not an ARP one mind.	[13:56]
brycec	"intransparency in the commercial coding" what? "intentionally to make money." you mean the purpose of a business isn't to turn a profit?	[14:00]
patchoul1	discussing the systemics of intransparency allowed to confuse into incremental profit and exponential aggravation on the deplorable consumer.	[14:02]
patchouly	in the end it is leveraging in who is at the top capital-wise, and for the involved whether they look down, or up to weight relative quality of comfort and happiness acordingly.	[14:06]
brycec	I disagree with completely your arguments only. There is no personal attack here. You refuse to accept the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of annoying propaganda and prejudice. You reject anything involved with the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of foolish propaganda and stupidity.	[14:07]
patchoul1	yes indeed, my brainwaves spun out into authistic overevaluation of lack of control. I will render the first part, as far as openbsd is concerned, if i find it wholesome and well behind the payment, that at least is a well documented, not errorprone partner for the while.	[14:09]
brycec	But there is a flexible yet critical democracy, and your argument would disagree with completely it. Is this well-constructed? I think it is obvious that your statement is foolish and foolish. You argue strenuously for dangerous propaganda. I argue strenuously against that.	[14:10]
patchoul1	what is your native speak? you do not seem to be a native american english speaker.	[14:12]
brycec	Can there be any doubt? I try to posit clear, clear realism, and you obviously do not.	[14:13]
patchoul1	i mean language wise, are you French speaker, anything else? German, sprichts du Deutch? Deutsch?	[14:15]
	See i have offended y. though that was not my intention. No experience with chat rooms, irc, that sais it all, on my side.	[14:21]
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m0unds	brycec: the you ok?	[15:47]
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phlux	is this real life this dude types shit like that last line "i have offended y." "that sais it all" and then criticizes brycec's english? where's ashton kutcher at we're being punked 15:04:44 brycec │ Is there a final ipv7 yet, phlux? If not, then that's unfair to hold ARP <--I was joking about that btw :P	[15:51]
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phlux	also up_the_irons, will you ddos staticsafe plz	[15:53]
m0unds	IPEEZ ARE SRS	[15:53]
phlux	this is the dawning of irc is super srs irc is super srssssssssssssssssssss	[15:53]
up_the_irons	phlux is gonna lose it phlux: you need more than 2 hours sleep :)	[15:53]
phlux	I know :( the good news? I might actually have time to finally make the jump exclusively to arp :P	[15:54]
up_the_irons	sweet	[15:57]
brycec	lol 15:47:29 >> m0unds<< brycec: the you ok? phlux, m0unds: I sic'd kookbot on him @kook	[16:00]
BryceBot	One must consider compassion versus stupidity. You embrace shameful oppression. I disagree with completely that. But there is a honest justice, and your argument would object to it.	[16:00]
brycec	Because... dude wasn't making a lick of sense So I threw it back And kook's English is still perfect English. and lol 15:51:42 < phlux> we're being punked And eventually I stopped wasting my time	[16:01]
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m0unds	hahahah	[16:18]
pjs	up_the_irons any status update on the 2 new orders I put in yesterday for my clients? (sorry to pester, we're on a tight timeline.. these fuckers)	[16:23]
brycec	@google kookbot	[16:23]
BryceBot	Searching for 'kookbox' instead. 10,500 total results returned for 'kookbox', here's 3 Kookbox \| Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kookbox/111296942222776) Kookbox. 4970 likes · 77 talking about this. surfers for surfers.... Kookbox Surfboards (http://www.kookboxx.com/) KOOKBOX SURFBOARDS. NEW SITE COMING SOON. CONTACT · Home. Copyright @ KOOKBOX surfboards. All rights reserved. Surfer Joel Tudor attacked in Kookbox lawsuit \| San Diego Reader (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2013/dec/09/ticker-surfer-joel-tudor-kookbox-lawsuit/) Dec 9, 2013 ... Tudor, or somebody working on his behalf, also broke into a San Diego Kookbox warehouse and filched about $12,000 in merchandise, ...	[16:23]
brycec	damnit Google... http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~klee/misc/kookbot.html	[16:24]
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m0unds	hah	[16:44]
up_the_irons	pjs: yeah i was just about to do them; they were in front of me last night and i literally fell asleep at the keyboard	[16:44]
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pjs	up_the_irons hah, cool. If possible (not sure if you can legally) include me on the account details email? peter@netlandish.com	[16:48]
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brycec	Too late now, pjs, but... you might want to reconsider exposing your email address in a publicly logged (and possibly crawled) IRC channel ;)	[16:50]
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pjs	brycec, my email is all over the damn place.. too late to worry about that :)	[17:09]
m0unds	...biz markie singing benny and the jets	[17:20]
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mnathani	up_the_irons: I believe git log on the backup service requires use of the 'less' binary within the chroot	[18:50]
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phlux	well, this is interesting news.. nenolod has left atheme i wonder if that means freenode will take on a different services package.. and i guess that means i'll have to be on the lookout for one soon	[23:25]
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KDE_Perry	geez how many of us from there are in here	[23:28]

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