[00:04] hm, no failcnts [01:21] *** grepidemic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:04] openvz is ick like that mnathani [02:04] wouldn't touch it :) [02:05] well actually i think it's the commercial one that's bad [02:05] i think normal openvz doesn't limit [02:35] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:36] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [04:05] *** medum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [04:05] *** medum has joined #arpnetworks [04:45] *** easymac has joined #arpnetworks [04:50] *** doomviking has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:09] Yeah, OpenVZ has its place... eg I run some smallish internal services from OpenVZ. No reason to have a full VM. It's basically a jail that's much simpler to configure. [10:09] But for a "VPS" nooooo I avoid that shit like the plague [10:45] haha [10:45] well run virtuozzo stuff isn't too bad [10:45] just see way too many awful hosts using openvz and not knowing wtf they're doing [10:45] "Get rich quick" [10:46] yeah [10:46] high tenant density, low investment [10:46] hope people don't run away too fast [10:46] hit that magic $2/mo pricepoint for 512 or 1024MB and rake in the bux [10:47] I think that more often than not, you have to worry about the owners running before the customers in those "get rich quick run openvz" scenarioos [10:49] http://www.shodanhq.com/ ever seen this? [10:49] maybe [11:47] brycec: owners running, lol. it's true. [11:54] it is so frustrating watching my wife play video games :| [11:54] she's playing "South Park: The Stick of Truth" [11:55] nice [11:55] Luckily for #arpnetworks, up_the_irons is too fat to run *rimshot* [11:55] (j/k) [11:56] you gonna take that, up_the_irons? [11:56] wut [11:56] what would Iron Maiden do? [11:56] Rock out? [11:56] UP THE IRONS [11:56] bbl [11:57] i'm not fat ;) [11:59] I didn't really think so. I believe I've seen some photos of you on your Flickr :p [12:03] brycec is creepin [12:04] :) [12:06] http://1drv.ms/1gfoZJU [12:06] highlight of my day [12:09] heh [12:46] up_the_irons: any update on the level3 connection? (just out of curiosity) [12:46] i'm getting the LOA for x-conn soon [12:48] ahh ok [14:01] *** grepidemic has joined #arpnetworks [15:40] *** phlux has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:40] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [16:51] up_the_irons: how do trit, he.net, nlayer and other transit providers bill you? Based on bandwidth? Port Speed or 95th percentile? [16:53] 95th [16:55] so bringing in a new transit like level3 who will distribute your overall load could possibly reduce the bills from the other transits? [16:56] no because there are minimums [16:57] i should say it is 95% billing _with_ a commitment; you can't commit to 0 Mbps [16:57] so if traffic is under your commit, you still pay the full commitment price [16:58] i have to commit to 100 Mbps on all circuits to get GigE ports [16:58] that traffic in total is way more than I need [16:58] but what can ya do... [16:58] right.. [16:59] whats the cost per mbit like? [16:59] nvm .. you probably can't disclose specific figures [17:13] up_the_irons: you can buy off someone who aggregates? :) [17:13] but yeah not much you can do. [17:13] mnathani: it's probably in the 0.50 to $3.00 range [17:13] per megabit [17:14] for he.net vs level3 [17:14] actually i have a feeling level3 is cheaper than it used to be. [17:14] but then there are port fees on top of that [17:14] so really it's best to use more bandwidth [17:14] and have more customers [17:16] up_the_irons: are you paying for in+out 95th percentile or the maximum of the two? [17:16] i'm not even sure [17:17] heh [17:17] i never go above the min [17:17] curious [17:17] even with that ntp exploit? [17:17] i didn't let the ntp exploit last long enough [17:17] oh yeh [17:17] it seemed like ages [17:17] but it was like a day or two wasn't it? [17:17] ppl on twitter complain that i blocked all ntp, well fuck 'em, i tell 'em to pay my bandwidth bill and then i'll leave it open ;) [17:18] interesting [17:18] well, it started slow [17:18] i wouldn't think most people would notice [17:18] it was like a ramp [17:18] they did [17:18] ppl get sensitive like that [17:18] ;) [17:18] yeh [17:18] i'd complain if you block icmp :/ [17:18] lol [17:19] btw, can't buy off someone who aggregates cuz the networks discourage that [17:19] (they want *you* as the customer) [17:19] bbl [17:19] ahh ok [17:19] * up_the_irons wanders off [17:19] they can make more money that way :/ [17:20] http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1350362 [17:20] mnathani: that thread suggests normal pricing is $10/megabit [17:21] i imagine most people don't pay normal pricing though [17:25] the jist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit [17:25] + tax [17:25] and 100 megabit is much more [17:26] and to get sharp pricing you're meant to buy more than a gigabit commit [17:31] up_the_irons: people complained about ntp filtering? geez. [19:03] *** twobithacker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:14] s/j/g/ [19:14] the gist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit [19:16] ...err? [19:17] oh [19:17] hahah [19:17] i don't know why that confused me [19:18] 1 gig commit [19:18] is that what confused? [19:18] i really thought it wsa cheaper than that [19:19] no, the sed replace of j w/g [19:19] just didn't notice what was replaced, guess my brain did it automatically [19:21] oh i see [19:21] i don't type that word often :/ [19:22] wikitionary lists it an as alternative spelling :/ [19:24] so why's it pronounced jist and spelt gist. the english langugae confuses [19:24] hmm, i suppose it's similar to git, where some people say ghit, and some people say jit [19:25] for the revision control, not for an idiot [19:25] hahaha [19:26] mercutio: as a *rare* alt spelling :P [19:26] haha [19:26] mercutio: 'g' as in 'giuseppe' so there :P [19:27] say what [19:27] Italian has soft-g too [19:27] gist, giuseppe, etc [19:27] yo mammy [19:27] oh [19:28] apparently git comes from beget [19:28] i find lots of computer things seem to encourage people to pronounce alternatively [19:29] * brycec still says gif with a hard-g [19:29] so do i [19:29] is that not normal? [19:29] i usually prounce tiff "t i f f" as well [19:29] A resistance to change? Yes, totally normal :P [19:29] err prononunce [19:30] mercutio: you spell it out? [19:30] yeah [19:30] if speaking verbally yes [19:30] To differentiate from the noun? [19:30] partially because not everyone knows what it is [19:30] haha [19:30] and the spelling isn't obvious [19:30] and probably partially because it reminds me of iff [19:30] which i also spelt out [19:31] UPS (as in power) - phoneticize or spell out as an acronym? [19:31] I instinctively spelled out i.f.f. [19:31] spell out every time [19:31] spelled out [19:31] Same with the delivery service... [19:31] thank you [19:31] hahahah [19:31] yeah [19:31] as a non american i find it confusing that there is UPS and USPS [19:31] it makes me cringe a little when people say UPPZ [19:31] and that UPS is 4x as expensive [19:32] haha, it's not htough [19:32] though [19:32] i trust UPS or Fedex more than USPS for packages [19:32] mercutio: as an american, it's still confusing. [19:32] to here, from america i'd rather go with fedex or dhl [19:32] but usps is better value [19:33] "value" [19:33] I don't think I'd agree with that statement. [19:33] well usps has better tracking for some reason [19:33] whatever the internet seems tos ays [19:33] seems to say [19:33] i use fedex unless i get a prepaid label for UPS or USPS [19:33] it integrates with normal postal tracking here, ... [19:33] so can use local tracking, or the remote tracking to find more detail of where it is in US [19:33] "normal postal tracking" as in, tracking is normal? [19:34] whereas dhl and fedex have icky pages [19:34] umm nz post [19:34] which is the normal postal carrier here [19:34] although, for some reason they hand registered mail to couriers to deliver. [19:35] Trying to understand if you mean that your postal carrier offers tracking normally/default, or if you mean that it's integrated into their own tracking (web form, or whatever) [19:35] it's integrated to their own tracking [19:35] well .. all country code stuff of XXNNNNNNNNNNXX is [19:35] yea, i've seen that w/international parcels that use USPS for local delivery [19:35] i can see all the tracking stuff til delivery like it's native, but it's coming in from whatever partner service/courier is being used [19:36] yeh they must have interconnects [19:36] General consensus, at least among the people I read and converse, is that US Postal is basically dead, and practically worthless. [19:36] USPS transfers to Canada Post when delivering to Canadian destinations [19:36] it may be for local delivery [19:36] but for international from US it seems to work well. [19:36] https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=9405510200986217502529 [19:36] * staticsafe prefers UPS/Fedex [19:36] * brycec does too [19:37] 100% of that tracking showed up after the package was actually delivered [19:37] well i'd prefer fedex [19:37] probably [19:37] it didn't show up at all til i had a box at my door [19:37] but it costs way more :/ [19:37] Also, shipping parcels UPS/FedEx is a lot simpler [19:37] yeah. i have a fedex acct. i sign in, fill in the address, print my label and stick it on the box [19:37] https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=LN049979968US [19:37] lol m0unds been there [19:37] m0unds: ditto. [19:37] staticsafe: tycho? [19:37] yea [19:37] brycec: well i wasn't really thinking of how hard it is to send [19:37] Well, company has the account... [19:37] that's what mine was too, lol [19:38] i picked up the cd today from the mailbox [19:38] right on [19:38] we have a few couriers here, and a local auction site like ebay [19:38] and one of the couriers is extra bad, and most people use them... [19:38] cos they're cheap [19:38] hahaha [19:38] Sounds like US Postal here :P [19:39] Actually, there are worse. [19:39] heh [19:39] OnTrac is the best of the crap third-party couriers [19:39] isn't usps mostly just slow? [19:39] depends on the class of svc [19:39] first class international [19:39] and priority mail [19:39] And the biggest bureacratic pile of... Yeah. [19:39] And confusing as fuck. [19:39] which seem to be the same thing [19:39] see, i rarely ship internationally [19:40] but priority mail is essentially guaranteed to arrive in 3 days [19:40] err priority mail international i mean [19:40] FedEx Ground, Express Saver, 2-day, overnight. SO SIMPLE. [19:40] oh hmm [19:40] hahahaha, yup [19:40] so it should be sent from the US within 3 days? [19:40] i've seen it take longer than taht! [19:40] i'm talking domestically [19:40] within the us [19:41] 10 days from PA to NY [19:41] oddly enough, fedex ground from NM -> NC is ~3-4 days and is the same price or cheaper than priority mail [19:41] haha [19:41] oh hangon 5 days [19:41] then 5 days to new zelaand [19:41] i read wrong line [19:42] paddleboat [19:42] hmm, the 5th day is a sunday [19:42] so at least it seems they do stuff on sundays [19:43] m0unds: ups is cheaper domestically? [19:43] oh fed ex [19:43] yea, and it just drafts from my credit card [19:43] so when i go to work, i just swing by fedex office and drop it off, no lines or anything [19:44] it's nice [19:44] what i want to see is international prices for freight matching china :/ [19:44] * brycec has daily FedEx pickup [19:44] i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery [19:45] when seding a small thing domestically costs that here [19:45] let alone having anything in it, and ebay fees [19:47] we do at work, but i can't ship personal stuff from our dock here [20:02] *** jmr` has joined #arpnetworks [23:48] humm, why did my openbsd reboot... [23:48] about 3 hours ago [23:55] i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery [23:55] china post or w/e pays the shipping pretty much