hm, no failcnts
openvz is ick like that mnathani
wouldn't touch it :)
well actually i think it's the commercial one that's bad
i think normal openvz doesn't limit
Yeah, OpenVZ has its place... eg I run some smallish internal services from OpenVZ. No reason to have a full VM. It's basically a jail that's much simpler to configure.
But for a "VPS" nooooo I avoid that shit like the plague
haha
well run virtuozzo stuff isn't too bad
just see way too many awful hosts using openvz and not knowing wtf they're doing
"Get rich quick"
yeah
high tenant density, low investment
hope people don't run away too fast
hit that magic $2/mo pricepoint for 512 or 1024MB and rake in the bux
I think that more often than not, you have to worry about the owners running before the customers in those "get rich quick run openvz" scenarioos
http://www.shodanhq.com/ ever seen this?
maybe
brycec: owners running, lol.  it's true.
it is so frustrating watching my wife play video games :|
she's playing "South Park: The Stick of Truth"
nice
Luckily for #arpnetworks, up_the_irons is too fat to run *rimshot*
(j/k)
you gonna take that, up_the_irons?
wut
what would Iron Maiden do?
Rock out?
UP THE IRONS
bbl
i'm not fat ;)
I didn't really think so. I believe I've seen some photos of you on your Flickr :p
brycec is creepin
:)
http://1drv.ms/1gfoZJU
highlight of my day
heh
up_the_irons: any update on the level3 connection? (just out of curiosity)
i'm getting the LOA for x-conn soon
ahh ok
up_the_irons: how do trit, he.net, nlayer and other transit providers bill you? Based on bandwidth? Port Speed or 95th percentile?
95th
so bringing in a new transit like level3 who will distribute your overall load could possibly reduce the bills from the other transits?
no because there are minimums
i should say it is 95% billing _with_ a commitment; you can't commit to 0 Mbps
so if traffic is under your commit, you still pay the full commitment price
i have to commit to 100 Mbps on all circuits to get GigE ports
that traffic in total is way more than I need
but what can ya do...
right..
whats the cost per mbit like?
nvm .. you probably can't disclose specific figures
up_the_irons: you can buy off someone who aggregates? :)
but yeah not much you can do.
mnathani: it's probably in the 0.50 to $3.00 range
per megabit
for he.net vs level3
actually i have a feeling level3 is cheaper than it used to be.
but then there are port fees on top of that
so really it's best to use more bandwidth
and have more customers
up_the_irons: are you paying for in+out 95th percentile or the maximum of the two?
i'm not even sure
heh
i never go above the min
curious
even with that ntp exploit?
i didn't let the ntp exploit last long enough
oh yeh
it seemed like ages
but it was like a day or two wasn't it?
ppl on twitter complain that i blocked all ntp, well fuck 'em, i tell 'em to pay my bandwidth bill and then i'll leave it open ;)
interesting
well, it started slow
i wouldn't think most people would notice
it was like a ramp
they did
ppl get sensitive like that
;)
yeh
i'd complain if you block icmp :/
lol
btw, can't buy off someone who aggregates cuz the networks discourage that
(they want *you* as the customer)
bbl
ahh ok
they can make more money that way :/
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1350362
mnathani: that thread suggests normal pricing is $10/megabit
i imagine most people don't pay normal pricing though
the jist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit
+ tax
and 100 megabit is much more
and to get sharp pricing you're meant to buy more than a gigabit commit
up_the_irons: people complained about ntp filtering? geez.
s/j/g/
<mercutio> the gist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit
...err?
oh
hahah
i don't know why that confused me
1 gig commit
is that what confused?
i really thought it wsa cheaper than that
no, the sed replace of j w/g
just didn't notice what was replaced, guess my brain did it automatically
oh i see
i don't type that word often :/
wikitionary lists it an as alternative spelling :/
so why's it pronounced jist and spelt gist.  the english langugae confuses
hmm, i suppose it's similar to git, where some people say ghit, and some people say jit
for the revision control, not for an idiot
hahaha
mercutio: as a *rare* alt spelling :P
haha
mercutio: 'g' as in 'giuseppe' so there :P
say what
Italian has soft-g too
gist, giuseppe, etc
yo mammy
oh
apparently git comes from beget
i find lots of computer things seem to encourage people to pronounce alternatively
so do i
is that not normal?
i usually prounce tiff "t i f f" as well
A resistance to change? Yes, totally normal :P
err prononunce
mercutio: you spell it out?
yeah
if speaking verbally yes
To differentiate from the noun?
partially because not everyone knows what it is
haha
and the spelling isn't obvious
and probably partially because it reminds me of iff
which i also spelt out
UPS (as in power) - phoneticize or spell out as an acronym?
I instinctively spelled out i.f.f.
spell out every time
spelled out
Same with the delivery service...
thank you
hahahah
yeah
as a non american i find it confusing that there is UPS and USPS
it makes me cringe a little when people say UPPZ
and that UPS is 4x as expensive
haha, it's not htough
though
i trust UPS or Fedex more than USPS for packages
mercutio: as an american, it's still confusing.
to here, from america i'd rather go with fedex or dhl
but usps is better value
"value"
I don't think I'd agree with that statement.
well usps has better tracking for some reason
whatever the internet seems tos ays
seems to say
i use fedex unless i get a prepaid label for UPS or USPS
it integrates with normal postal tracking here, ...
so can use local tracking, or the remote tracking to find more detail of where it is in US
"normal postal tracking" as in, tracking is normal?
whereas dhl and fedex have icky pages
umm nz post
which is the normal postal carrier here
although, for some reason they hand registered mail to couriers to deliver.
 Trying to understand if you mean that your postal carrier offers tracking normally/default, or if you mean that it's integrated into their own tracking (web form, or whatever)
it's integrated to their own tracking
well .. all country code stuff of XXNNNNNNNNNNXX is
yea, i've seen that w/international parcels that use USPS for local delivery
i can see all the tracking stuff til delivery like it's native, but it's coming in from whatever partner service/courier is being used
yeh they must have interconnects
General consensus, at least among the people I read and converse, is that US Postal is basically dead, and practically worthless.
USPS transfers to Canada Post when delivering to Canadian destinations
it may be for local delivery
but for international from US it seems to work well.
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=9405510200986217502529
100% of that tracking showed up after the package was actually delivered
well i'd prefer fedex
probably
it didn't show up at all til i had a box at my door
but it costs way more :/
Also, shipping parcels UPS/FedEx is a lot simpler
yeah. i have a fedex acct. i sign in, fill in the address, print my label and stick it on the box
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=LN049979968US
lol m0unds been there
m0unds: ditto.
staticsafe: tycho?
yea
brycec: well i wasn't really thinking of how hard it is to send
Well, company has the account...
that's what mine was too, lol
i picked up the cd today from the mailbox
right on
we have a few couriers here, and a local auction site like ebay
and one of the couriers is extra bad, and most people use them...
cos they're cheap
hahaha
Sounds like US Postal here :P
Actually, there are worse.
heh
OnTrac is the best of the crap third-party couriers
isn't usps mostly just slow?
depends on the class of svc
first class international
and priority mail
And the biggest bureacratic pile of... Yeah.
And confusing as fuck.
which seem to be the same thing
see, i rarely ship internationally
but priority mail is essentially guaranteed to arrive in 3 days
err priority mail international i mean
FedEx Ground, Express Saver, 2-day, overnight. SO SIMPLE.
oh hmm
hahahaha, yup
so it should be sent from the US within 3 days?
i've seen it take longer than taht!
i'm talking domestically
within the us
10 days from PA to NY
oddly enough, fedex ground from NM -> NC is ~3-4 days and is the same price or cheaper than priority mail
haha
oh hangon 5 days
then 5 days to new zelaand
i read wrong line
paddleboat
hmm, the 5th day is a sunday
so at least it seems they do stuff on sundays
m0unds: ups is cheaper domestically?
oh fed ex
yea, and it just drafts from my credit card
so when i go to work, i just swing by fedex office and drop it off, no lines or anything
it's nice
what i want to see is international prices for freight matching china :/
i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery
when seding a small thing domestically costs that here
let alone having anything in it, and ebay fees
we do at work, but i can't ship personal stuff from our dock here
humm, why did my openbsd reboot...
about 3 hours ago
<mercutio> i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery
china post or w/e pays the shipping pretty much