#arpnetworks 2014-02-26,Wed

BryceBot

DEL: Indira Gandhi International Airport located in Delhi, India

mnathani

@iata kerela

BryceBot

No results found for: kerela

mnathani

@iata karela

BryceBot

No results found for: karela

mnathani

@iata tamil

BryceBot

No results found for: tamil

mnathani

@iata bangalore

BryceBot

BLR: Bengaluru International Airport (succeeding HAL Bangalore International Airport) located in Bangalore, India

mnathani

@iata sharjah

BryceBot

SHJ: Sharjah International Airport located in Sharjah, United Arab Emirates

mnathani

@iata abu dhabi

BryceBot

2 results returned: AUH, AZI

mnathani

@iata auh

BryceBot

AUH: Abu Dhabi International Airport located in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates

mnathani

@iata ajman

BryceBot

QAJ: Ajman International Airport (Under construction) located in Ajman, United Arab Emirates

ant

@iata ber

[10:30]

BryceBot

BER: All airports in Berlin (designated for new Berlin-Brandenburg International Airport) located in Berlin, Germany

[10:30]

ant

IF it ever opens

[10:31]

mnathani

@iata jeddah
did I break the bot?

[10:32]

BryceBot

JED: King Abdulaziz International Airport located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

[10:32]

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mnathani

@iata arabia

BryceBot

19 results returned: AHB, ABT, AJF, BHH, DWD, DHA, TRC, ELQ, HAS, HBT, JED, DMM, RUH, EAM, MED, AQI, TUU, TIF, YNB

mnathani

@iata ahb

BryceBot

AHB: Abha Regional Airport located in Abha / Khamis Mushait, Saudi Arabia

mnathani

@iata abt

BryceBot

ABT: Al-Baha Domestic Airport located in Al-Baha, Saudi Arabia

mnathani

@iata ajf

BryceBot

AJF: Al-Jawf Domestic Airport located in Al-Jawf, Saudi Arabia

mnathani

@iata bhh

BryceBot

BHH: Bisha Airport located in Bisha, Saudi Arabia

m0unds

...

mnathani

@iata international

[10:34]

BryceBot

821 results returned: DIR, CJS, AUH, SRG, ADL, ADE, SOC, JOG, AER, CWB, QAJ, AKC, AAN, JXB, ALB, ABQ, CUZ, ALP, AEX, ALY, CLO, LET, ALI, SEL, OSA, BER, LHE, ALA, LEI, SID, ASD, TGZ, REP, GUM, SCU, ANR, ARW, BYH, ATI, SCL, ASM, ASA, ASW, ATR, JRS, IST, ACY, MGA, NAT, GRB, AUS, BCM, SDA, BAH, BWI, BND, CMB, BGR, BGF, BNX, BJL, MAD, BSR, LTK, BDE, VLI, PEK, BEY, BFS, BLI, TLV, BSA, BLR, BEN, SXF, BDA, BIL, BHX, BHM, DUG, ...

[10:34]

mnathani

:-)

[10:34]

brycec

mnathani: Asking and expecting a response in the same-second is a recipe for disappointment.
10:31:17 < mnathani> @iata jeddah
10:31:17 < mnathani> did I break the bot?
(I realize it was probably FreeNode lagging)

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RandalSchwartz

@iata airport
RandalSchwartz grins

[11:09]

BryceBot

5407 results returned: OCH, AAL, AAR, JEG, JIM, DIR, ABD, ABF, ABA, ABW, BGH, YXX, AAW, EAB, MLG, SNU, AEA, ABZ, ABR, AHB, ABI, ABG, ABO, AOD, CJS, SPI, AJS, AUH, AUE, ABS, AEH, ARA, ARF, MFV, ACS, SRG, ACU, AAD, ADT, ADK, ADA, EKX, ADS, ADL, ADE, SOC, SLK, JOG, ADF, AER, ADB, AEG, CWB, AFR, AWN, AFO, AFT, AFY, IXA, AGX, AUP, AGZ, AGW, NTO, AGR, AJI, AGQ, AGJ, AHE, AHS, AWZ, AIW, AIH, AIK, AIL, AIP, AIM, BUJ, ANW, AIE, ...

[11:09]

RandalSchwartz

@iata seaport

BryceBot

No results found for: seaport

RandalSchwartz

@iata helipirt

BryceBot

No results found for: helipirt

RandalSchwartz

@iata heliport

BryceBot

34 results returned: AAP, LLU, BHC, FRN, CDE, CSP, CCD, JCU, DIC, DIO, JRB, TSS, HEY, IKE, ILL, KAQ, KLQ, MCM, JNN, JNS, NUG, NUS, CSL, JJU, JCH, QQT, JGO, SYL, QUP, AGM, UPK, UMD, VRY, GZM

RandalSchwartz

there ya go

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mnathani

13:31:17 mnathani | @iata jeddah followed by 13:31:36 mnathani | did I break the bot? brycec I count 19 seconds

[12:19]

brycec

mnathani: exactly why I copy/pasted my side :P

[12:20]

mnathani

I blame freenode for the delay
mnathani facepalm

[12:20]

brycec

As did I
[10:31:17] (BryceBot@freenode) > :mnathani!~mnathani@umbozero.winvive.com PRIVMSG #arpnetworks :@iata jeddah
[10:31:18] (BryceBot@freenode) > :mnathani!~mnathani@umbozero.winvive.com PRIVMSG #arpnetworks :did I break the bot?

[12:20]

mnathani

I just read brycec | (I realize it was probably FreeNode lagging)

[12:21]

brycec

BryceBot's side of things
ha
Interesting that your remark from 1331.36 traveled backwards in time by 19 seconds to arrive at the same tiem as the first message
but my VPS clock is actually off, damnit
brycec shakes his fist at up_the_irons

[12:21]

mnathani

we should have a local ntp server hosted by ARP
on some dedicated boxen

[12:22]

brycec

26 Feb 12:21:36 ntpdate[19302]: step time server 203.160.128.3 offset 22.848213 sec
I don't get how ntpd let that slip :/

[12:22]

mnathani

I stepped one of my VMware VMs today too: 26 Feb 14:01:36 ntpdate[3827]: step time server 192.75.12.11 offset 18005.460827 sec

[12:23]

brycec

haha, 18000 looks like a timezone difference

[12:24]

mnathani

@wa 18000 seconds in hours

[12:25]

BryceBot

convert 18000 seconds to hours;5 hours;300 minutes;0.2083 days;~~ 60 × half-life of uranium-241 (~~ 300 s );time;Distance x traveled by light in a vacuum from x = ct:, ->3.353 billion miles, ->5.396×10^9 km (kilometers), ->5.396×10^12 meters, ->36 au (astronomical units);Frequency nu from nu = 1/T:, ->5.556×10^-5 Hz (hertz)

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RandalSchwartz

Hmm. ipv6 appears to no longer work on my box
this is probably around the time that I was wondering why I could not connect to freenode

[14:05]

brycec

IPv6 is overrated... <.<
>.>

[14:06]

RandalSchwartz

since it prefers the v6 addrs
I just manually typed in a v4 addr, and all good

[14:06]

staticsafe

o_o

RandalSchwartz

I guess I could reboot... been up 169 days.. maybe it's just tired. :)

staticsafe

probably should send an e-mail to support@

brycec

(fwiw ipv6 working fine here)

staticsafe

same

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[14:33]

m0unds

same

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mnathani

@iata sfo

[14:58]

BryceBot

SFO: San Francisco International Airport located in San Francisco, California, United States

[14:58]

brycec

(for those who seem to care about these things, BryceBot will get ICAO support as soon as I have time and motivation. I do have a datasource found at least.)

[14:59]

m0unds

yay

[14:59]

brycec

heh, just remember I have a lot of other things ahead of it :P And I still need to decide on how to design it into BryceBot (it introduces a chunk of redundant code that I'd like to avoid.)
I might work on it this weekend... We'll see.

[15:02]

m0unds

my bot in another channel supports it, so if i get a hankerin for icao and i'm too lazy to open a browser i can just use it :P

mnathani

@iata lsanca

BryceBot

No results found for: lsanca

mnathani

@iata lsa

BryceBot

LSA: Not a valid IATA.

mnathani

@iata nca

BryceBot

NCA: MCAS New River (McCutcheon Field) located in Jacksonville, North Carolina, United States

m0unds

haha, lsanca = los angeles ca

mnathani

lol

m0unds

if you're ntt or whomever it is who abbreviates it that way
ntt or verizon
something like that, hahaha

mnathani

yea.. ntt
the more 'normal' way would be just LAX

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m0unds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR57jkR-Hqg i don't really get why tiny tim is so creepy

BryceBot

YouTube People: "Why I hate Rust" by JP Losman (2m 5s), 471 views, 28 likes and 1 dislike. Uploaded 2014-02-09T04:05:45.000Z.

RandalSchwartz

isn't tiny tim dead?

brycec

"ls"=los "an"=angeles "ca"=california, silly NTT

m0unds

i think so
but his music has found its way into movies and stuff in the last few years

[15:07]

RandalSchwartz

I think unless you saw Tiny Tim on the Smothers Brothers show, you probably won't have much of an opinion of him.

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RandalSchwartz

his "tiptoe through the tulips" there is forever burned into my youthful mind

m0unds

haha
yeah, it was used in a horror film recently

RandalSchwartz

his performance on the show?

m0unds

his performance of that song
no idea where from

RandalSchwartz

probably from there
which film... maybe imdb knows

m0unds

and living in the sunlight
insidious i htink someone said
s/htink/think

[15:09]

BryceBot

<m0unds> insidious i think someone said

[15:09]

RandalSchwartz

sounds like just the audio track... not his actual appearance
I was thinking they were showing it on a television or something

[15:11]

m0unds

oh
no, it's just the song from what i gathered
i haven't seen it

... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insidious_(film)

RandalSchwartz

BryceBot

Insidious (film) :: Insidious is a 2010 American supernatural horror film directed by James Wan, written by Leigh Whannell, and starring Patrick Wilson, Rose Byrne and Barbara Hershey. The story centers on a couple whose son inexplicably enters a comatose state and becomes a vessel for ghosts in an astral dimension. The film was released in theaters on April 1, 2011, and is FilmDistrict's first theatrical release. A sequel, Insidious: Chapter...

m0unds

so maybe the ghost of tiny tim? haha

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mercutio

woot not pages full of disconnect/connects

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m0unds

progress

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mercutio

apparently i217 ethernet cards as standrad on new haswell motherboards have problems with ipv6
that can break switches
it seems intel want to boost cgnat

[16:33]

staticsafe

er wat
you mean Intel mobos?

mercutio

i haven't experienced it myself

staticsafe

or Intel NICs on Haswell mobos?

mercutio

but i have that ethernet on my asrock mbd
i217 is integrated on intel haswell chipsets
afaik
i don't think it's the cpu
some people still use realtek i think

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mercutio

so maybe it costs a few $ to use it

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mercutio

i'm trying to find more detail
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19523337.aspx
that's the best i have so far, it's hearsay for me, from someone who was experiencing issues
apparently it hits at least hp and dell computers
https://communities.intel.com/message/225025
it may be specific to i217-lm, and when putting computers to sleep it sounds like

[16:35]

staticsafe

my new Gigabyte mobo has an Intel I217-V NIC

[16:36]

mercutio

yeah my new mbd has i217v too
i never sleep it though

staticsafe

same

mercutio

i217-lm has management
so i think it's normal on hp/dell and not on consumer boards

staticsafe

indeed

m0unds

according to that post, it seems it's power mgmt wrt eee stuff

[16:39]

mercutio

i imagine they tried various things and stopped when they found a fix
with my friend fixing it by disabling ipv6

[16:40]

m0unds

energy efficient ethernet sucks

[16:40]

mercutio

nah it really good
well some of it is

[16:40]

m0unds

it breaks stuff pretty consistently

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mercutio

the not providiing power to unused ports is good :/

[16:41]

m0unds

intel's implementation of it - we have it disabled on every intel-nic-having-device we have because of issues with the nic dying and whatnot
the phy dies and requires a reboot to bring it back up because the driver can't do it

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staticsafe

heh

[16:43]

mercutio

damn
i love it how intel are still consdered the best ethernet
but both broadcom and intel have a lot of bugs
but then it's like "who's better?"

[16:47]

m0unds

there's a run of 82xxx series intel chipsets that have a hardware defect that was resolved in newer hw

mercutio

so it's like realtek or broadcom or intel
none of which are that great

m0unds

yea, all in all, i've had the fewest issues w/intel

staticsafe

m0unds

i've had realtek chipsets just die
like, flat out, dead
even newer pcie ones

mercutio

oh i had one die
but it was onboard

staticsafe

shitty drivers in Linux etc.

mercutio

then the wholke motherboard died
but it was gigabyte board
i don't trust gigabyte

m0unds

i had a board with dual realtek nics, one died, then the other - board still works fine and has an intel ct nic in it

[16:49]

mercutio

then had another of those boasrds die
oh hangon, that one came back to life
only one died
the other one was just buggy, and anonying and i'm not using it

[16:49]

m0unds

hahaha

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staticsafe

Z87X-UD4H is the new board I got

[16:50]

mercutio

it was slightly improved by uefi bios
this was p67-ud3-bh
or something
and newegg says they suck
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3651#ov
also it says one 16x and one 4x
but it does one 16x and one 1x for some reason

[16:50]

m0unds

haha, have anything in either pcie 1x slot?

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mercutio

the uefi bios doesn't like nkro keyboards
nah
nor pci slots
and 1x is pretty slow
i wanted video and infiniband
i'm using asrock board with 4x for infiniband atm
which isn't too bad.. does up to about 1400 megabytes/sec
itr could do like 1800megabytes/sec in 8x
but really at those speeds you're not going to notice other than in benchmarks

[16:51]

staticsafe

nice

mercutio

it's actually quite nice to use
i can't tell the difference between nfs /home

staticsafe

im in the market for a small ARM board to replace my rpi

mercutio

and local disk

staticsafe

something beefier

mercutio

err and local ssd
can easily max oui ssd copying over network

m0unds

staticsafe: what're you doing w/the pi?

mercutio

and can easily do like 150mb/sec+ to seagate hard-disk
it's nice that seagate hard-disks are so fast now heh

staticsafe

DHCPv6/DNS resolver/nginx for local stuff

m0unds

(just curious, i've seen lots of fun uses for those things)

mercutio

i've been waiting for good arm stuff too

m0unds

ah, cool

mercutio

a lot of them have terrible sata and ethernet
and memory bandwidth
i think it's amd that's coming out with what might be the first real arm board

m0unds

yeah
designed for high density server envs

mercutio

with dual channel ddr3 etc

m0unds

hope it sparks some competition in that market

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staticsafe

hm BeagleBone Black

m0unds

beaglebone...?
hahah

http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone+Black

staticsafe

mercutio

those cpus are all damn slow
you could just use an atom :/

staticsafe

actually I don't need to replace the rpi, just another ARM board for a second resolver

mercutio

oh ok
why?

staticsafe

just in case the rpi does for whatever reason
dies

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up_the_irons

anyone use netmap / VALE before? been reading about it, seems pretty cool
(in context of building high efficiency software routers)

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mercutio

i think it's mostly specialised apps
rather than common routing

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up_the_irons

mercutio: but it *could* be used for common routing and that would be a sweet project

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mercutio

up_the_irons: a lot of work :)
it would be nice to see pc's becoming better routers
oh hmm
i think wand was using netmap or something
gizmoguy_: ?

[22:12]

up_the_irons

mercutio: not so sure... you'd use BIRD for routing protocols, a fast lookup algorithm to find forwarding interface, then zero-copy forward with netmap
bet there's a pci card for special tcam asic thingy
so you can do lookups fast

[22:14]

mercutio

it doesn't really matter what routing protocol you use, it's how fast forwarding of lots of random addresses is

[22:14]

up_the_irons

modify BIRD to write to the card

mercutio

juniper's load routes slowly
and people still use them.

up_the_irons

netmap can lookup from the card

mercutio

i think the problem with asics is that unless you're doing a lot of them it's cheaper to bu faster cpu, ram etc

up_the_irons

yeah, fast forwarding of random address == tcam lookup + zero-copy forward

mercutio

you should be able to handle line rate 1 gigabit small packet sizes without doing aynthing sepcial
it's 10 gigabit where it starts to get more complicated.
and if you're doing coalescing it works reasonably well anyway afaik

up_the_irons

native OS stack can't usually touch 1 Mpps

mercutio

so where the real smarts come in, is reducing that coalescing delays... reducing jitter, and prioritisng traffic

up_the_irons

so not line rate

mercutio

and doing aqm
which you don't need to inspect the actual packet for
so you might be able to do zero copy
but you still have to store the packets somewhere
so some kind of sram is good for that
i don't think you should need an actual asic though
you know that intel are doing super fast ram soon?
so there'll be a small amount of extra fast low latency ram
that's integrating on the cpu or such

gizmoguy_

mercutio,
http://imgur.com/snfn2Rs

mercutio

hahahaha

gizmoguy_

this is me right now, ask me when im more sober :)

mercutio

ok
but yeah the notion of line rate fowrading is complicated

up_the_irons

hah

[22:18]

mercutio

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6911/intels-return-to-the-dram-business-haswell-gt3e-to-integrate-128mb-edram
ok 128mb edram

[22:18]

m0unds

gizmoguy_: what are you drinking?

[22:19]

gizmoguy_

wait

[22:19]

mercutio

but yeah i think for a lot of purposes intel hardware is already fine for 10 gigabit routes

gizmoguy_

im at #1 http://imgur.com/lW2aHcD

mercutio

routers
the only caveat is that you might want to have automatic ddos-mitigation

m0unds

fancy

mercutio

wow
is that how much you spend a week on alcohol? :)

gizmoguy_

lol something like that
at a whisky tasting :)

[22:22]

mercutio

you must make goo dmoney :)

[22:22]

m0unds

whisky tasting ftw

[22:23]

mercutio

i'm curious about this zero copy forwarding thing now
i assume scatter gather can handle a lof of the work

m0unds

gizmoguy_: enjoy ze whisky :)

gizmoguy_

best part: i didnt pay for this

m0unds

really?
you lucky jerk

gizmoguy_

m0unds, thnx
lol

mercutio

gizmoguy_: oh what
that puts things in a completely differnet light

[22:27]

gizmoguy_

someone couldnt make it, so i took their ticket

[22:27]

mercutio

nice
and then you came on irc :)
must be exciting :)

[22:27]

gizmoguy_

my phone vibrates when people mention my name :(

[22:28]

mercutio

heh sorry

[22:28]

m0unds

gizmoguy_:
gizmoguy_:
gizmoguy_:

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gizmoguy_

[22:30]

mercutio

haha
oh hat

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mercutio

i've lost connection to arp

m0unds__

yep, me too

mercutio

from two locations at least so far

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mercutio

damn i need to get my tool working damn this heat
from 3 locations..
oh hangon might have a way in

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mercutio

oh no it's that it came back

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mercutio

but any2ix dropped

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mercutio

it's going via ntt
but ntt pings are up too
to los angeles
what's up
i get text messages heh

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mercutio

10. ae-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 0.0% 353 168.0 168.3 166.9 178.3 1.0
11. ae-0.gtt.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 3.1% 353 183.5 174.9 168.3 194.7
seems to be packet loss starting from hop 11

[22:40]

up_the_irons

i got alerts too

[22:40]

mercutio

so why did any2ix drop
and ntt have packet loss
maybe unrelated

[22:41]

up_the_irons

wow s7 crashed

[22:41]

mercutio

[22:41]

up_the_irons

as i was trying to copy a new IOS

mercutio

ntt is prob just being lame

up_the_irons

jesus christ this thing doesn't give up

m0unds__

up_the_irons: oh shit

brycec

<.<
>.>

[22:47]

mercutio

oh ntt is actually down, it's just that it's nlayer/ntt
sweet low ping now
ntt came back and any2ix isn't up :)
oh any2ix back now

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jbergstroem

4 friggin texts. my provider needs to calm down

mercutio

suppose that wasnt' that long

jbergstroem

two off, two on

mercutio

i got more than that :/

jbergstroem

at least you know its not your girlfriend :-D
(or is it!?!?)

mercutio

haha
i used to have alerts go to my landline and text to cellphone
and a voip number
so if both phones rang at once
i knew there was something up :)
it got annoying very quickly though