has it settled finally? lol, awesome: http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/ love it how they dis on noobs O_o it makes me think it'll host dodgy sites for some reaosn i'm skeptical about cheap things yeah I laugh at domains with "privacy guard" registration, but the SWIP record is fully filled out. Wow! up_the_irons, how come ARP doesn't compete with this? :^) "No Support VPS Hosting ignores the support questions and passes the savings on to you! For only $15 per month, each Virtual Private Server includes 8 CPUs, 2GB of RAM (burstable to 4GB), and 100GB of fast RAID10 storage in additional to full root access to the VPS and your choice of Linux operating system." Also 5TB b/w cuz i have to make a living ;) What's the biggest expense? bandwidth? Maybe if you moved to Iowa like NoSupport*Hosting, you could keep makign a living. I would think hosting (DC) rental would be the highest monthly cost. http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverdetails.php the nosupport guy sure likes taking pictures gizmoguy_: To be fair, as a customer I love pictures. I know I personally only buy VPSs from hosting providers who take pictures of them ejecting hard drives from their hotswap caddies :) So... you're not an ARP customer? :D http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverpictures/boxofram.jpg that's a nice pict though i'll allow that one If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this guy works at/for the DC and gets discounted space/bandwidth. Of course he has a day job and values his life, so NoSupport is born. He brings in a bit of money on the side, sounds like a win. some of these companies operate at a loss to get customers to sell customers. are those fbdimms looks like it pc2-5300f which arp is using on their old gear i suppose Sell them to whom? Perhaps. Definitely feels like a one-man show, and he probably enjoys what he does. So why not make a bit of money at it. it does seem strange to do that on new stuff though CaZe: data center space is highest expense ^ Yes, I'm right! :D up_the_irons: 3, 4, or 5 digits/month? ok that strange that ram looked like ram for older servers than what they say they use mercutio: maybe it's old pics? could be I would guess 5 digits. Somewhere between $10,000 to $99,999 for what mnathani ? data center space in response to brycec <-- i'd guess betweeen $3500 and $8500/month I feel like low-5's is probable my gawd i wish it was $3500 ;) heh how many racks do you have? 5 oh it's a 160 sq ft cage then yeh not 3500 with a LOT of power :/ but power isn't space so isn't included in that number :) but yeah i expect it over $3500 for that space should include power and cooling lol, he has 10 Gbps ports on those bad boys mnathani: not really (LOL at the thought of BYO cooling) power often includes cooling but as far as space goes... if you buy more space than you need at first, so you can grow easily.. you'll use a lot less power only passive cooling on the 5600's, hmm.. that'd make me uncomfortable one chassis fan goes out, and they are toast I'd like to try and get by without power, and see what they do about cooling. (i did experiments on that, see my flickr) and then for every bit of new hardware you have more customers, so that balances out the power cost @log_search flickr.com 2 results found. Here's #2 Nov 14, 2013 12:22:25 to those who don't have a dedicated server, this is what you're missing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/10859162004/in/set-72157631847234896/ @log_search trout 2 results found. Here's #2 Dec 05, 2013 16:01:33 Netrouting is pretty good too Send the heat through the tubes. http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ It's all defective... None of the blinky-lights are blinking. oh man, those 2 post aluminium racks are a fail you have a nice camera the hardware is kind of unexcitingly predictable not that that's a problem See folks, ARP wasn't so different from NoSupport :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157594539917540/ wtf http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/367782983/in/set-72157594539917540 Flickr photo: "Death of a Server Room, D-Day" by garrydolley that's not a dc right oh it's a home one lol @ the calculus text and uhh are those computers strapped in this is in los angeles right? Looks like Stewart. even for semi-serious want to be earthquake ready :) Only one of those racks is attached to a wall...haha it might be attached to the floor I don't see any bolt holes in the floor. And still, should be both. not really floor alone is fine normally the computers are more liekly to move than the cabinet Not in an Earthquake :P true, true. heh i'm not from CA but sitll.. the idea oof being near windoiws freaks me out a little now cos they tend to explode in an earthquake http://www0.alibris-static.com/isbn/9780534218287.gif heh "Project: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and doesn't suck dead bunnies through bent straws." Go OpenBSD "Expected results: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and only drives half the developers batsh**t crazy (with the other half willing to use it) would be a resounding success." actually that's probably not that much of a problem (Source, btw http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html) openbsd is removing root for X finally, with intel and ati video mercutio: that was an office DC, class A building. a bit better than home :) ahh ok brycec: mercutio : i've actually never seen racks attached to a wall, even in all the data centers i've been in nowadays neither have i actually up_the_irons: what about the rack on the right in those old pics? Isn't it attached? we had all our racks bolted to the floor brycec: we had one rack attached to the wall, yeah you you HAVE seen racks attached to a wall :P i mean OTHER racks ;) As far as DC's go, the ones I've seen have either been cabinets or the two-posts were bolted to the floor and to one another. In offices/closets, I've seen bolted to the floor and/or attached to the wall by a cable raceway/ladder. yeah what happens if the floor fractures mercutio: the "nice camera" belongs to a photographer friend of mine. he took the shots that look "pro" up_the_irons: some kind of dslr camera? yes, canon full frame (Oh and in one instance, neither bolted nor mounted to the wall. But it was leaning against the wall by the cable ladder) it's unusual for dc pictures :) you can see it in the Exif info mercutio: Do floors do that, fracture? brycec: i don't know normal floors can but you need reinforced floors for a datacentre I dare say a floor is more likely to fracture when they have a couple of bolts drilled in to them, and then strain on those. i wonder how thick the floors are normally Indeed a DC floor has to support a much higher density than typical floors. they're usually concrete? Under the raised flooring? Yeah. Most construction these days seems to be concrete. and concrete doesn't really flex. but i don't know what it would do apparently raised floors are worse in an earthquake hah, sun pizzabox in the burbank one one of my sparc stations! it ran DNS i still have it in the garage ;) haha, awesome stick openbsd on it! how can I tell if kvm virtualization is supported on my compaq presario laptop running centos? grep "svm\|vmx" /proc/cpuinfo I guess not. Its a pretty old laptop: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow up solj: thanks "compaq" Yeah, pretty old. I know, they dont make them any more is something wrong? ? just lost connectivity for a second on v6 spider sense tingling or something? while i was in nano not me haha coincidentally, my buddy's ircd just took a dump and two people in here timed out or something maybe some routes only yeah hahaha "3dnow" mnathani haha, to be fair, most AMD cpus have that instruction set still? When are they going to run out of bits... haha i'm on one right now i suppose i could boot into LUNIX right quick or just virtualize like they did in the olden days ye olde virtualization i rarely if ever boot my linux partition. i'm just too lazy to wipe the disk. http://pastebin.com/NH1ypeFQ the opteron in my server has more 3dnow instructions than this one, hahaha 3dnao beefy Anyone think there is any value to buying this product? http://packetpushers.net/f5-drops-lab-ve-price-to-95/ Nope! But then, it's not aimed at me. up_the_irons: I take it current / existing customers don't qualify for any promotional pricing / discounts: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1352151