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[17:00] <up_the_irons> lol, awesome: http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/
[17:00] <up_the_irons> love it how they dis on noobs
[17:00] <staticsafe> O_o
[17:07] <mercutio> it makes me think it'll host dodgy sites for some reaosn
[17:08] <mercutio> i'm skeptical about cheap things
[17:09] <up_the_irons> yeah
[17:30] <brycec> I laugh at domains with "privacy guard" registration, but the SWIP record is fully filled out.
[17:32] <brycec> Wow! up_the_irons, how come ARP doesn't compete with this? :^) "No Support VPS Hosting ignores the support questions and passes the savings on to you! For only $15 per month, each Virtual Private Server includes 8 CPUs, 2GB of RAM (burstable to 4GB), and 100GB of fast RAID10 storage in additional to full root access to the VPS and your choice of Linux operating system."
[17:32] <brycec> Also 5TB b/w
[17:32] <up_the_irons> cuz i have to make a living ;)
[17:33] <CaZe> What's the biggest expense? bandwidth?
[17:34] <brycec> Maybe if you moved to Iowa like NoSupport*Hosting, you could keep makign a living.
[17:34] <brycec> I would think hosting (DC) rental would be the highest monthly cost.
[17:34] <gizmoguy_> http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverdetails.php
[17:34] <gizmoguy_> the nosupport guy sure likes taking pictures
[17:34] <brycec> gizmoguy_: To be fair, as a customer I love pictures.
[17:35] <gizmoguy_> I know I personally only buy VPSs from hosting providers who take pictures of them ejecting hard drives from their hotswap caddies :)
[17:35] <brycec> So... you're not an ARP customer? :D
[17:35] <gizmoguy_> http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverpictures/boxofram.jpg
[17:35] <gizmoguy_> that's a nice pict though
[17:35] <gizmoguy_> i'll allow that one
[17:37] <brycec> If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this guy works at/for the DC and gets discounted space/bandwidth. Of course he has a day job and values his life, so NoSupport is born. He brings in a bit of money on the side, sounds like a win.
[17:38] <mercutio> some of these companies operate at a loss
[17:38] <mercutio> to get customers
[17:38] <mercutio> to sell customers.
[17:38] <mercutio> are those fbdimms
[17:38] <mercutio> looks like it
[17:38] <mercutio> pc2-5300f
[17:38] <mercutio> which arp is using on their old gear i suppose
[17:39] <CaZe> Sell them to whom?
[17:39] <brycec> Perhaps. Definitely feels like a one-man show, and he probably enjoys what he does. So why not make a bit of money at it.
[17:39] <mercutio> it does seem strange to do that on new stuff though
[17:39] <up_the_irons> CaZe: data center space is highest expense
[17:39] <brycec> ^ Yes, I'm right! :D
[17:39] <brycec> up_the_irons: 3, 4, or 5 digits/month?
[17:40] <mercutio> ok that strange
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[17:40] <mercutio> that ram looked like ram for older servers
[17:40] <mercutio> than what they say they use
[17:40] <brycec> mercutio: maybe it's old pics?
[17:40] <mercutio> could be
[17:40] <mnathani> I would guess 5 digits. Somewhere between $10,000 to $99,999
[17:40] <mercutio> for what mnathani ?
[17:41] <mnathani> data center space
[17:41] <mnathani> in response to brycec
[17:41] <brycec> <--
[17:41] <mercutio> i'd guess betweeen $3500 and $8500/month
[17:41] <brycec> I feel like low-5's is probable
[17:41] <up_the_irons> my gawd i wish it was $3500 ;)
[17:41] <mercutio> heh
[17:42] <mercutio> how many racks do you have?
[17:42] <up_the_irons> 5
[17:42] <mercutio> oh
[17:42] <up_the_irons> it's a  160 sq ft cage
[17:42] <mercutio> then yeh not 3500
[17:42] <up_the_irons> with a LOT of power
[17:42] <mercutio> :/
[17:42] <mercutio> but power isn't space
[17:42] <mercutio> so isn't included in that number :)
[17:43] <mercutio> but yeah i expect it over $3500 for that
[17:43] <mnathani> space should include power and cooling
[17:43] <up_the_irons> lol, he has 10 Gbps ports on those bad boys
[17:43] <mercutio> mnathani: not really
[17:43] <brycec> (LOL at the thought of BYO cooling)
[17:43] <mercutio> power often includes cooling
[17:43] <mercutio> but as far as space goes... if you buy more space than you need at first, so you can grow easily.. you'll use a lot less power
[17:43] <up_the_irons> only passive cooling on the 5600's, hmm.. that'd make me uncomfortable
[17:44] <up_the_irons> one chassis fan goes out, and they are toast
[17:44] <brycec> I'd like to try and get by without power, and see what they do about cooling.
[17:44] <up_the_irons> (i did experiments on that, see my flickr)
[17:44] <mercutio> and then for every bit of new hardware you have more customers, so that balances out the power cost
[17:44] <brycec> @log_search flickr.com
[17:44] <BryceBot> 2 results found. Here's #2 Nov 14, 2013 12:22:25 <up_the_irons > to those who don't have a dedicated server, this is what you're missing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/10859162004/in/set-72157631847234896/
[17:44] <mnathani> @log_search trout
[17:44] <BryceBot> 2 results found. Here's #2 Dec 05, 2013 16:01:33 <Alistair_ > Netrouting is pretty good too
[17:44] <CaZe> Send the heat through the tubes.
[17:45] <up_the_irons> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/
[17:45] <brycec> It's all defective... None of the blinky-lights are blinking.
[17:45] <up_the_irons> oh man, those 2 post aluminium racks are a fail
[17:46] <mercutio> you have a nice camera
[17:46] <mercutio> the hardware is kind of unexcitingly predictable
[17:46] <mercutio> not that that's a problem
[17:47] <brycec> See folks, ARP wasn't so different from NoSupport :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157594539917540/
[17:47] <mercutio> wtf
[17:47] <mercutio> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/367782983/in/set-72157594539917540
[17:47] <BryceBot> Flickr photo: "Death of a Server Room, D-Day" by garrydolley
[17:48] <mercutio> that's not a dc right
[17:48] <mercutio> oh it's a home one
[17:48] <mnathani> lol @ the calculus text
[17:48] <mercutio> and uhh
[17:48] <mercutio> are those computers strapped in
[17:49] <mercutio> this is in los angeles right?
[17:49] <CaZe> Looks like Stewart.
[17:49] <mercutio> even for semi-serious want to be earthquake ready :)
[17:50] <brycec> Only one of those racks is attached to a wall...haha
[17:50] <mercutio> it might be attached to the floor
[17:50] <brycec> I don't see any bolt holes in the floor.  And still, should be both.
[17:51] <mercutio> not really
[17:51] <mercutio> floor alone is fine normally
[17:51] <mercutio> the computers are more liekly to move than the cabinet
[17:51] <brycec> Not in an Earthquake :P
[17:51] <brycec> true, true.
[17:51] * mercutio has been in earthquakes
[17:51] * brycec was raised in CA too
[17:51] <mercutio> heh
[17:51] <mercutio> i'm not from CA
[17:51] <mercutio> but sitll..
[17:52] <mercutio> the idea oof being near windoiws freaks me out a little now
[17:52] <mercutio> cos they tend to explode in an earthquake
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[17:53] <CaZe> http://www0.alibris-static.com/isbn/9780534218287.gif
[17:53] <brycec> heh "Project: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and doesn't suck dead bunnies through bent straws." Go OpenBSD
[17:54] <brycec> "Expected results: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and only drives half the developers batsh**t crazy (with the other half willing to use it) would be a resounding success."
[17:54] <mercutio> actually that's probably not that much of a problem
[17:55] <brycec> (Source, btw http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html)
[17:56] <mercutio> openbsd is removing root for X
[17:56] <mercutio> finally, with intel and ati video
[18:04] <up_the_irons> mercutio: that was an office DC, class A building.  a bit better than home :)
[18:05] <mercutio> ahh ok
[18:05] <up_the_irons> brycec: mercutio : i've actually never seen racks attached to a wall, even in all the data centers i've been in nowadays
[18:05] <mercutio> neither have i actually
[18:06] <brycec> up_the_irons: what about the rack on the right in those old pics? Isn't it attached?
[18:06] <up_the_irons> we had all our racks bolted to the floor
[18:06] <up_the_irons> brycec: we had one rack attached to the wall, yeah
[18:06] <brycec> you you HAVE seen racks attached to a wall :P
[18:06] <up_the_irons> i mean OTHER racks ;)
[18:07] <brycec> As far as DC's go, the ones I've seen have either been cabinets or the two-posts were bolted to the floor and to one another. In offices/closets, I've seen bolted to the floor and/or attached to the wall by a cable raceway/ladder.
[18:08] <up_the_irons> yeah
[18:08] <mercutio> what happens if the floor fractures
[18:08] <up_the_irons> mercutio: the "nice camera" belongs to a  photographer friend of mine.  he took the shots that look "pro"
[18:08] <mercutio> up_the_irons: some kind  of dslr camera?
[18:09] <up_the_irons> yes, canon full frame
[18:09] <brycec> (Oh and in one instance, neither bolted nor mounted to the wall. But it was leaning against the wall by the cable ladder)
[18:09] <mercutio> it's unusual for dc pictures :)
[18:09] <up_the_irons> you can see it in the Exif info
[18:09] <brycec> mercutio: Do floors do that, fracture?
[18:09] <mercutio> brycec: i don't know
[18:09] <mercutio> normal floors can
[18:09] <mercutio> but you need reinforced floors for a datacentre
[18:10] <brycec> I dare say a floor is more likely to fracture when they have a couple of bolts drilled in to them, and then strain on those.
[18:10] <mercutio> i wonder how thick the floors are normally
[18:10] <brycec> Indeed a DC floor has to support a much higher density than typical floors.
[18:10] <mercutio> they're usually concrete?
[18:11] <brycec> Under the raised flooring? Yeah. Most construction these days seems to be concrete.
[18:11] <mercutio> and concrete doesn't really flex.
[18:11] <mercutio> but i don't know what it would do
[18:15] <mercutio> apparently raised floors are worse in an earthquake
[18:41] <m0unds> hah, sun pizzabox in the burbank one
[18:43] <up_the_irons> one of my sparc stations!
[18:43] <up_the_irons> it ran DNS
[18:44] <up_the_irons> i still have it in the garage ;)
[18:44] <m0unds> haha, awesome
[19:38] <mercutio> stick openbsd on it!
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[19:51] <mnathani> how can I tell if kvm virtualization is supported on my compaq presario laptop running centos?
[20:11] <solj> grep "svm\|vmx" /proc/cpuinfo
[20:12] <mnathani> I guess not. Its a pretty old laptop: flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow up
[20:13] <mnathani> solj: thanks
[20:13] <CaZe> "compaq"
[20:13] <CaZe> Yeah, pretty old.
[20:13] <mnathani> I know, they dont make them any more
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[21:16] <hazardous> is something wrong?
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[21:17] <m0unds> ?
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[21:17] <hazardous> just lost connectivity for a second on v6
[21:17] <m0unds> spider sense tingling or something?
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[21:17] <hazardous> while i was in nano
[21:17] <m0unds> not me
[21:17] <m0unds> haha
[21:17] <m0unds> coincidentally, my buddy's ircd just took a dump
[21:18] <hazardous> and two people in here timed out or something
[21:18] <hazardous> maybe some routes only
[21:18] <m0unds> yeah
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[21:36] <brycec> hahaha "3dnow" mnathani
[21:39] <m0unds> haha, to be fair, most AMD cpus have that instruction set
[21:40] <brycec> still? When are they going to run out of bits...
[21:40] * brycec just realized he doesn't have a single AMD box newer than an Athlon64
[21:40] <m0unds> haha
[21:40] <m0unds> i'm on one right now
[21:41] <m0unds> i suppose i could boot into LUNIX right quick
[21:42] <brycec> or just virtualize like they did in the olden days
[21:43] <m0unds> ye olde virtualization
[21:43] <m0unds> i rarely if ever boot my linux partition. i'm just too lazy to wipe the disk.
[21:44] <m0unds> http://pastebin.com/NH1ypeFQ
[21:45] <m0unds> the opteron in my server has more 3dnow instructions than this one, hahaha
[21:47] <m0unds> 3dnao
[22:19] <brycec> beefy
[22:57] <mnathani> Anyone think there is any value to buying this product? http://packetpushers.net/f5-drops-lab-ve-price-to-95/
[23:11] <brycec> Nope! But then, it's not aimed at me.
[23:56] <mnathani> up_the_irons: I take it current / existing customers don't qualify for any promotional pricing / discounts: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1352151