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| up_the_irons | lol, awesome: http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/
love it how they dis on noobs | [17:00] |
| staticsafe | O_o | [17:00] |
| mercutio | it makes me think it'll host dodgy sites for some reaosn
i'm skeptical about cheap things | [17:07] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [17:09] |
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| brycec | I laugh at domains with "privacy guard" registration, but the SWIP record is fully filled out.
Wow! up_the_irons, how come ARP doesn't compete with this? :^) "No Support VPS Hosting ignores the support questions and passes the savings on to you! For only $15 per month, each Virtual Private Server includes 8 CPUs, 2GB of RAM (burstable to 4GB), and 100GB of fast RAID10 storage in additional to full root access to the VPS and your choice of Linux operating system." Also 5TB b/w | [17:30] |
| up_the_irons | cuz i have to make a living ;) | [17:32] |
| CaZe | What's the biggest expense? bandwidth? | [17:33] |
| brycec | Maybe if you moved to Iowa like NoSupport*Hosting, you could keep makign a living.
I would think hosting (DC) rental would be the highest monthly cost. | [17:34] |
| gizmoguy_ | http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverdetails.php
the nosupport guy sure likes taking pictures | [17:34] |
| brycec | gizmoguy_: To be fair, as a customer I love pictures. | [17:34] |
| gizmoguy_ | I know I personally only buy VPSs from hosting providers who take pictures of them ejecting hard drives from their hotswap caddies :) | [17:35] |
| brycec | So... you're not an ARP customer? :D | [17:35] |
| gizmoguy_ | http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverpictures/boxofram.jpg
that's a nice pict though i'll allow that one | [17:35] |
| brycec | If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this guy works at/for the DC and gets discounted space/bandwidth. Of course he has a day job and values his life, so NoSupport is born. He brings in a bit of money on the side, sounds like a win. | [17:37] |
| mercutio | some of these companies operate at a loss
to get customers to sell customers. are those fbdimms looks like it pc2-5300f which arp is using on their old gear i suppose | [17:38] |
| CaZe | Sell them to whom? | [17:39] |
| brycec | Perhaps. Definitely feels like a one-man show, and he probably enjoys what he does. So why not make a bit of money at it. | [17:39] |
| mercutio | it does seem strange to do that on new stuff though | [17:39] |
| up_the_irons | CaZe: data center space is highest expense | [17:39] |
| brycec | ^ Yes, I'm right! :D
up_the_irons: 3, 4, or 5 digits/month? | [17:39] |
| mercutio | ok that strange | [17:40] |
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| mercutio | that ram looked like ram for older servers
than what they say they use | [17:40] |
| brycec | mercutio: maybe it's old pics? | [17:40] |
| mercutio | could be | [17:40] |
| mnathani | I would guess 5 digits. Somewhere between $10,000 to $99,999 | [17:40] |
| mercutio | for what mnathani ? | [17:40] |
| mnathani | data center space
in response to brycec | [17:41] |
| brycec | <-- | [17:41] |
| mercutio | i'd guess betweeen $3500 and $8500/month | [17:41] |
| brycec | I feel like low-5's is probable | [17:41] |
| up_the_irons | my gawd i wish it was $3500 ;) | [17:41] |
| mercutio | heh
how many racks do you have? | [17:41] |
| up_the_irons | 5 | [17:42] |
| mercutio | oh | [17:42] |
| up_the_irons | it's a 160 sq ft cage | [17:42] |
| mercutio | then yeh not 3500 | [17:42] |
| up_the_irons | with a LOT of power | [17:42] |
| mercutio | :/
but power isn't space so isn't included in that number :) but yeah i expect it over $3500 for that | [17:42] |
| mnathani | space should include power and cooling | [17:43] |
| up_the_irons | lol, he has 10 Gbps ports on those bad boys | [17:43] |
| mercutio | mnathani: not really | [17:43] |
| brycec | (LOL at the thought of BYO cooling) | [17:43] |
| mercutio | power often includes cooling
but as far as space goes... if you buy more space than you need at first, so you can grow easily.. you'll use a lot less power | [17:43] |
| up_the_irons | only passive cooling on the 5600's, hmm.. that'd make me uncomfortable
one chassis fan goes out, and they are toast | [17:43] |
| brycec | I'd like to try and get by without power, and see what they do about cooling. | [17:44] |
| up_the_irons | (i did experiments on that, see my flickr) | [17:44] |
| mercutio | and then for every bit of new hardware you have more customers, so that balances out the power cost | [17:44] |
| brycec | @log_search flickr.com | [17:44] |
| BryceBot | 2 results found. Here's #2 Nov 14, 2013 12:22:25 <up_the_irons > to those who don't have a dedicated server, this is what you're missing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/10859162004/in/set-72157631847234896/ | [17:44] |
| mnathani | @log_search trout | [17:44] |
| BryceBot | 2 results found. Here's #2 Dec 05, 2013 16:01:33 <Alistair_ > Netrouting is pretty good too | [17:44] |
| CaZe | Send the heat through the tubes. | [17:44] |
| up_the_irons | http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ | [17:45] |
| brycec | It's all defective... None of the blinky-lights are blinking. | [17:45] |
| up_the_irons | oh man, those 2 post aluminium racks are a fail | [17:45] |
| mercutio | you have a nice camera
the hardware is kind of unexcitingly predictable not that that's a problem | [17:46] |
| brycec | See folks, ARP wasn't so different from NoSupport :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157594539917540/ | [17:47] |
| mercutio | wtf
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/367782983/in/set-72157594539917540 | [17:47] |
| BryceBot | Flickr photo: "Death of a Server Room, D-Day" by garrydolley | [17:47] |
| mercutio | that's not a dc right
oh it's a home one | [17:48] |
| mnathani | lol @ the calculus text | [17:48] |
| mercutio | and uhh
are those computers strapped in this is in los angeles right? | [17:48] |
| CaZe | Looks like Stewart. | [17:49] |
| mercutio | even for semi-serious want to be earthquake ready :) | [17:49] |
| brycec | Only one of those racks is attached to a wall...haha | [17:50] |
| mercutio | it might be attached to the floor | [17:50] |
| brycec | I don't see any bolt holes in the floor. And still, should be both. | [17:50] |
| mercutio | not really
floor alone is fine normally the computers are more liekly to move than the cabinet | [17:51] |
| brycec | Not in an Earthquake :P
true, true. | [17:51] |
| mercutio | mercutio has been in earthquakes | [17:51] |
| brycec | brycec was raised in CA too | [17:51] |
| mercutio | heh
i'm not from CA but sitll.. the idea oof being near windoiws freaks me out a little now cos they tend to explode in an earthquake | [17:51] |
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| CaZe | http://www0.alibris-static.com/isbn/9780534218287.gif | [17:53] |
| brycec | heh "Project: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and doesn't suck dead bunnies through bent straws." Go OpenBSD
"Expected results: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and only drives half the developers batsh**t crazy (with the other half willing to use it) would be a resounding success." | [17:53] |
| mercutio | actually that's probably not that much of a problem | [17:54] |
| brycec | (Source, btw http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html) | [17:55] |
| mercutio | openbsd is removing root for X
finally, with intel and ati video | [17:56] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: that was an office DC, class A building. a bit better than home :) | [18:04] |
| mercutio | ahh ok | [18:05] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: mercutio : i've actually never seen racks attached to a wall, even in all the data centers i've been in nowadays | [18:05] |
| mercutio | neither have i actually | [18:05] |
| brycec | up_the_irons: what about the rack on the right in those old pics? Isn't it attached? | [18:06] |
| up_the_irons | we had all our racks bolted to the floor
brycec: we had one rack attached to the wall, yeah | [18:06] |
| brycec | you you HAVE seen racks attached to a wall :P | [18:06] |
| up_the_irons | i mean OTHER racks ;) | [18:06] |
| brycec | As far as DC's go, the ones I've seen have either been cabinets or the two-posts were bolted to the floor and to one another. In offices/closets, I've seen bolted to the floor and/or attached to the wall by a cable raceway/ladder. | [18:07] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [18:08] |
| mercutio | what happens if the floor fractures | [18:08] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: the "nice camera" belongs to a photographer friend of mine. he took the shots that look "pro" | [18:08] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: some kind of dslr camera? | [18:08] |
| up_the_irons | yes, canon full frame | [18:09] |
| brycec | (Oh and in one instance, neither bolted nor mounted to the wall. But it was leaning against the wall by the cable ladder) | [18:09] |
| mercutio | it's unusual for dc pictures :) | [18:09] |
| up_the_irons | you can see it in the Exif info | [18:09] |
| brycec | mercutio: Do floors do that, fracture? | [18:09] |
| mercutio | brycec: i don't know
normal floors can but you need reinforced floors for a datacentre | [18:09] |
| brycec | I dare say a floor is more likely to fracture when they have a couple of bolts drilled in to them, and then strain on those. | [18:10] |
| mercutio | i wonder how thick the floors are normally | [18:10] |
| brycec | Indeed a DC floor has to support a much higher density than typical floors. | [18:10] |
| mercutio | they're usually concrete? | [18:10] |
| brycec | Under the raised flooring? Yeah. Most construction these days seems to be concrete. | [18:11] |
| mercutio | and concrete doesn't really flex.
but i don't know what it would do apparently raised floors are worse in an earthquake | [18:11] |
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| m0unds | hah, sun pizzabox in the burbank one | [18:41] |
| up_the_irons | one of my sparc stations!
it ran DNS i still have it in the garage ;) | [18:43] |
| m0unds | haha, awesome | [18:44] |
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| mercutio | stick openbsd on it! | [19:38] |
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| mnathani | how can I tell if kvm virtualization is supported on my compaq presario laptop running centos? | [19:51] |
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| solj | grep "svm|vmx" /proc/cpuinfo | [20:11] |
| mnathani | I guess not. Its a pretty old laptop: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow up
solj: thanks | [20:12] |
| CaZe | "compaq"
Yeah, pretty old. | [20:13] |
| mnathani | I know, they dont make them any more | [20:13] |
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| hazardous | is something wrong? | [21:16] |
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| m0unds | ? | [21:17] |
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| hazardous | just lost connectivity for a second on v6 | [21:17] |
| m0unds | spider sense tingling or something? | [21:17] |
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| hazardous | while i was in nano | [21:17] |
| m0unds | not me
haha coincidentally, my buddy's ircd just took a dump | [21:17] |
| hazardous | and two people in here timed out or something
maybe some routes only | [21:18] |
| m0unds | yeah | [21:18] |
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| brycec | hahaha "3dnow" mnathani | [21:36] |
| m0unds | haha, to be fair, most AMD cpus have that instruction set | [21:39] |
| brycec | still? When are they going to run out of bits...
brycec just realized he doesn't have a single AMD box newer than an Athlon64 | [21:40] |
| m0unds | haha
i'm on one right now i suppose i could boot into LUNIX right quick | [21:40] |
| brycec | or just virtualize like they did in the olden days | [21:42] |
| m0unds | ye olde virtualization
i rarely if ever boot my linux partition. i'm just too lazy to wipe the disk. http://pastebin.com/NH1ypeFQ the opteron in my server has more 3dnow instructions than this one, hahaha 3dnao | [21:43] |
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| brycec | beefy | [22:19] |
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| mnathani | Anyone think there is any value to buying this product? http://packetpushers.net/f5-drops-lab-ve-price-to-95/ | [22:57] |
| brycec | Nope! But then, it's not aimed at me. | [23:11] |
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| mnathani | up_the_irons: I take it current / existing customers don't qualify for any promotional pricing / discounts: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1352151 | [23:56] |
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