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ThalinVien has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) up_the_irons: lol, awesome: http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/
love it how they dis on noobs staticsafe: O_o mercutio: it makes me think it'll host dodgy sites for some reaosn
i'm skeptical about cheap things up_the_irons: yeah brycec: I laugh at domains with "privacy guard" registration, but the SWIP record is fully filled out.
Wow! up_the_irons, how come ARP doesn't compete with this? :^) "No Support VPS Hosting ignores the support questions and passes the savings on to you! For only $15 per month, each Virtual Private Server includes 8 CPUs, 2GB of RAM (burstable to 4GB), and 100GB of fast RAID10 storage in additional to full root access to the VPS and your choice of Linux operating system."
Also 5TB b/w up_the_irons: cuz i have to make a living ;) CaZe: What's the biggest expense? bandwidth? brycec: Maybe if you moved to Iowa like NoSupport*Hosting, you could keep makign a living.
I would think hosting (DC) rental would be the highest monthly cost. gizmoguy_: http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverdetails.php
the nosupport guy sure likes taking pictures brycec: gizmoguy_: To be fair, as a customer I love pictures. gizmoguy_: I know I personally only buy VPSs from hosting providers who take pictures of them ejecting hard drives from their hotswap caddies :) brycec: So... you're not an ARP customer? :D gizmoguy_: http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverpictures/boxofram.jpg
that's a nice pict though
i'll allow that one brycec: If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this guy works at/for the DC and gets discounted space/bandwidth. Of course he has a day job and values his life, so NoSupport is born. He brings in a bit of money on the side, sounds like a win. mercutio: some of these companies operate at a loss
to get customers
to sell customers.
are those fbdimms
looks like it
pc2-5300f
which arp is using on their old gear i suppose CaZe: Sell them to whom? brycec: Perhaps. Definitely feels like a one-man show, and he probably enjoys what he does. So why not make a bit of money at it. mercutio: it does seem strange to do that on new stuff though up_the_irons: CaZe: data center space is highest expense brycec: ^ Yes, I'm right! :D
up_the_irons: 3, 4, or 5 digits/month? mercutio: ok that strange ***: NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) mercutio: that ram looked like ram for older servers
than what they say they use brycec: mercutio: maybe it's old pics? mercutio: could be mnathani: I would guess 5 digits. Somewhere between $10,000 to $99,999 mercutio: for what mnathani ? mnathani: data center space
in response to brycec brycec: <-- mercutio: i'd guess betweeen $3500 and $8500/month brycec: I feel like low-5's is probable up_the_irons: my gawd i wish it was $3500 ;) mercutio: heh
how many racks do you have? up_the_irons: 5 mercutio: oh up_the_irons: it's a 160 sq ft cage mercutio: then yeh not 3500 up_the_irons: with a LOT of power mercutio: :/
but power isn't space
so isn't included in that number :)
but yeah i expect it over $3500 for that mnathani: space should include power and cooling up_the_irons: lol, he has 10 Gbps ports on those bad boys mercutio: mnathani: not really brycec: (LOL at the thought of BYO cooling) mercutio: power often includes cooling
but as far as space goes... if you buy more space than you need at first, so you can grow easily.. you'll use a lot less power up_the_irons: only passive cooling on the 5600's, hmm.. that'd make me uncomfortable
one chassis fan goes out, and they are toast brycec: I'd like to try and get by without power, and see what they do about cooling. up_the_irons: (i did experiments on that, see my flickr) mercutio: and then for every bit of new hardware you have more customers, so that balances out the power cost brycec: @log_search flickr.com BryceBot: 2 results found. Here's #2 Nov 14, 2013 12:22:25 <up_the_irons > to those who don't have a dedicated server, this is what you're missing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/10859162004/in/set-72157631847234896/ mnathani: @log_search trout BryceBot: 2 results found. Here's #2 Dec 05, 2013 16:01:33 <Alistair_ > Netrouting is pretty good too CaZe: Send the heat through the tubes. up_the_irons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ brycec: It's all defective... None of the blinky-lights are blinking. up_the_irons: oh man, those 2 post aluminium racks are a fail mercutio: you have a nice camera
the hardware is kind of unexcitingly predictable
not that that's a problem brycec: See folks, ARP wasn't so different from NoSupport :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157594539917540/ mercutio: wtf
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/367782983/in/set-72157594539917540 BryceBot: Flickr photo: "Death of a Server Room, D-Day" by garrydolley mercutio: that's not a dc right
oh it's a home one mnathani: lol @ the calculus text mercutio: and uhh
are those computers strapped in
this is in los angeles right? CaZe: Looks like Stewart. mercutio: even for semi-serious want to be earthquake ready :) brycec: Only one of those racks is attached to a wall...haha mercutio: it might be attached to the floor brycec: I don't see any bolt holes in the floor. And still, should be both. mercutio: not really
floor alone is fine normally
the computers are more liekly to move than the cabinet brycec: Not in an Earthquake :P
true, true. -: mercutio has been in earthquakes
brycec was raised in CA too mercutio: heh
i'm not from CA
but sitll..
the idea oof being near windoiws freaks me out a little now
cos they tend to explode in an earthquake ***: RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks CaZe: http://www0.alibris-static.com/isbn/9780534218287.gif brycec: heh "Project: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and doesn't suck dead bunnies through bent straws." Go OpenBSD
"Expected results: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and only drives half the developers batsh**t crazy (with the other half willing to use it) would be a resounding success." mercutio: actually that's probably not that much of a problem brycec: (Source, btw http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html) mercutio: openbsd is removing root for X
finally, with intel and ati video up_the_irons: mercutio: that was an office DC, class A building. a bit better than home :) mercutio: ahh ok up_the_irons: brycec: mercutio : i've actually never seen racks attached to a wall, even in all the data centers i've been in nowadays mercutio: neither have i actually brycec: up_the_irons: what about the rack on the right in those old pics? Isn't it attached? up_the_irons: we had all our racks bolted to the floor
brycec: we had one rack attached to the wall, yeah brycec: you you HAVE seen racks attached to a wall :P up_the_irons: i mean OTHER racks ;) brycec: As far as DC's go, the ones I've seen have either been cabinets or the two-posts were bolted to the floor and to one another. In offices/closets, I've seen bolted to the floor and/or attached to the wall by a cable raceway/ladder. up_the_irons: yeah mercutio: what happens if the floor fractures up_the_irons: mercutio: the "nice camera" belongs to a photographer friend of mine. he took the shots that look "pro" mercutio: up_the_irons: some kind of dslr camera? up_the_irons: yes, canon full frame brycec: (Oh and in one instance, neither bolted nor mounted to the wall. But it was leaning against the wall by the cable ladder) mercutio: it's unusual for dc pictures :) up_the_irons: you can see it in the Exif info brycec: mercutio: Do floors do that, fracture? mercutio: brycec: i don't know
normal floors can
but you need reinforced floors for a datacentre brycec: I dare say a floor is more likely to fracture when they have a couple of bolts drilled in to them, and then strain on those. mercutio: i wonder how thick the floors are normally brycec: Indeed a DC floor has to support a much higher density than typical floors. mercutio: they're usually concrete? brycec: Under the raised flooring? Yeah. Most construction these days seems to be concrete. mercutio: and concrete doesn't really flex.
but i don't know what it would do
apparently raised floors are worse in an earthquake m0unds: hah, sun pizzabox in the burbank one up_the_irons: one of my sparc stations!
it ran DNS
i still have it in the garage ;) m0unds: haha, awesome mercutio: stick openbsd on it! ***: kevr has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
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solj: thanks CaZe: "compaq"
Yeah, pretty old. mnathani: I know, they dont make them any more ***: anisfarhana has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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haha
coincidentally, my buddy's ircd just took a dump hazardous: and two people in here timed out or something
maybe some routes only m0unds: yeah ***: exm has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) brycec: hahaha "3dnow" mnathani m0unds: haha, to be fair, most AMD cpus have that instruction set brycec: still? When are they going to run out of bits... -: brycec just realized he doesn't have a single AMD box newer than an Athlon64 m0unds: haha
i'm on one right now
i suppose i could boot into LUNIX right quick brycec: or just virtualize like they did in the olden days m0unds: ye olde virtualization
i rarely if ever boot my linux partition. i'm just too lazy to wipe the disk.
http://pastebin.com/NH1ypeFQ
the opteron in my server has more 3dnow instructions than this one, hahaha
3dnao brycec: beefy mnathani: Anyone think there is any value to buying this product? http://packetpushers.net/f5-drops-lab-ve-price-to-95/ brycec: Nope! But then, it's not aimed at me. mnathani: up_the_irons: I take it current / existing customers don't qualify for any promotional pricing / discounts: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1352151