#arpnetworks 2014-02-24,Mon

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mercutiohas it settled finally? [01:20]
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up_the_ironslol, awesome: http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/
love it how they dis on noobs 		[17:00]
staticsafeO_o [17:00]
mercutioit makes me think it'll host dodgy sites for some reaosn
i'm skeptical about cheap things 		[17:07]
up_the_ironsyeah [17:09]
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brycecI laugh at domains with "privacy guard" registration, but the SWIP record is fully filled out.
Wow! up_the_irons, how come ARP doesn't compete with this? :^) "No Support VPS Hosting ignores the support questions and passes the savings on to you! For only $15 per month, each Virtual Private Server includes 8 CPUs, 2GB of RAM (burstable to 4GB), and 100GB of fast RAID10 storage in additional to full root access to the VPS and your choice of Linux operating system."
Also 5TB b/w 		[17:30]
up_the_ironscuz i have to make a living ;) [17:32]
CaZeWhat's the biggest expense? bandwidth? [17:33]
brycecMaybe if you moved to Iowa like NoSupport*Hosting, you could keep makign a living.
I would think hosting (DC) rental would be the highest monthly cost. 		[17:34]
gizmoguy_http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverdetails.php
the nosupport guy sure likes taking pictures 		[17:34]
brycecgizmoguy_: To be fair, as a customer I love pictures. [17:34]
gizmoguy_I know I personally only buy VPSs from hosting providers who take pictures of them ejecting hard drives from their hotswap caddies :) [17:35]
brycecSo... you're not an ARP customer? :D [17:35]
gizmoguy_http://nosupportvpshosting.com/serverpictures/boxofram.jpg
that's a nice pict though
i'll allow that one 		[17:35]
brycecIf I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this guy works at/for the DC and gets discounted space/bandwidth. Of course he has a day job and values his life, so NoSupport is born. He brings in a bit of money on the side, sounds like a win. [17:37]
mercutiosome of these companies operate at a loss
to get customers
to sell customers.
are those fbdimms
looks like it
pc2-5300f
which arp is using on their old gear i suppose 		[17:38]
CaZeSell them to whom? [17:39]
brycecPerhaps. Definitely feels like a one-man show, and he probably enjoys what he does. So why not make a bit of money at it. [17:39]
mercutioit does seem strange to do that on new stuff though [17:39]
up_the_ironsCaZe: data center space is highest expense [17:39]
brycec^ Yes, I'm right! :D
up_the_irons: 3, 4, or 5 digits/month? 		[17:39]
mercutiook that strange [17:40]
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mercutiothat ram looked like ram for older servers
than what they say they use 		[17:40]
brycecmercutio: maybe it's old pics? [17:40]
mercutiocould be [17:40]
mnathaniI would guess 5 digits. Somewhere between $10,000 to $99,999 [17:40]
mercutiofor what mnathani ? [17:40]
mnathanidata center space
in response to brycec 		[17:41]
brycec<-- [17:41]
mercutioi'd guess betweeen $3500 and $8500/month [17:41]
brycecI feel like low-5's is probable [17:41]
up_the_ironsmy gawd i wish it was $3500 ;) [17:41]
mercutioheh
how many racks do you have? 		[17:41]
up_the_irons5 [17:42]
mercutiooh [17:42]
up_the_ironsit's a 160 sq ft cage [17:42]
mercutiothen yeh not 3500 [17:42]
up_the_ironswith a LOT of power [17:42]
mercutio:/
but power isn't space
so isn't included in that number :)
but yeah i expect it over $3500 for that 		[17:42]
mnathanispace should include power and cooling [17:43]
up_the_ironslol, he has 10 Gbps ports on those bad boys [17:43]
mercutiomnathani: not really [17:43]
brycec(LOL at the thought of BYO cooling) [17:43]
mercutiopower often includes cooling
but as far as space goes... if you buy more space than you need at first, so you can grow easily.. you'll use a lot less power 		[17:43]
up_the_ironsonly passive cooling on the 5600's, hmm.. that'd make me uncomfortable
one chassis fan goes out, and they are toast 		[17:43]
brycecI'd like to try and get by without power, and see what they do about cooling. [17:44]
up_the_irons(i did experiments on that, see my flickr) [17:44]
mercutioand then for every bit of new hardware you have more customers, so that balances out the power cost [17:44]
brycec@log_search flickr.com [17:44]
BryceBot2 results found. Here's #2 Nov 14, 2013 12:22:25 <up_the_irons > to those who don't have a dedicated server, this is what you're missing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/10859162004/in/set-72157631847234896/ [17:44]
mnathani@log_search trout [17:44]
BryceBot2 results found. Here's #2 Dec 05, 2013 16:01:33 <Alistair_ > Netrouting is pretty good too [17:44]
CaZeSend the heat through the tubes. [17:44]
up_the_ironshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ [17:45]
brycecIt's all defective... None of the blinky-lights are blinking. [17:45]
up_the_ironsoh man, those 2 post aluminium racks are a fail [17:45]
mercutioyou have a nice camera
the hardware is kind of unexcitingly predictable
not that that's a problem 		[17:46]
brycecSee folks, ARP wasn't so different from NoSupport :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157594539917540/ [17:47]
mercutiowtf
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/367782983/in/set-72157594539917540 		[17:47]
BryceBotFlickr photo: "Death of a Server Room, D-Day" by garrydolley [17:47]
mercutiothat's not a dc right
oh it's a home one 		[17:48]
mnathanilol @ the calculus text [17:48]
mercutioand uhh
are those computers strapped in
this is in los angeles right? 		[17:48]
CaZeLooks like Stewart. [17:49]
mercutioeven for semi-serious want to be earthquake ready :) [17:49]
brycecOnly one of those racks is attached to a wall...haha [17:50]
mercutioit might be attached to the floor [17:50]
brycecI don't see any bolt holes in the floor. And still, should be both. [17:50]
mercutionot really
floor alone is fine normally
the computers are more liekly to move than the cabinet 		[17:51]
brycecNot in an Earthquake :P
true, true. 		[17:51]
mercutiomercutio has been in earthquakes [17:51]
brycecbrycec was raised in CA too [17:51]
mercutioheh
i'm not from CA
but sitll..
the idea oof being near windoiws freaks me out a little now
cos they tend to explode in an earthquake 		[17:51]
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CaZehttp://www0.alibris-static.com/isbn/9780534218287.gif [17:53]
brycecheh "Project: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and doesn't suck dead bunnies through bent straws." Go OpenBSD
"Expected results: A bug tracking system that integrates with sendbug(1) and only drives half the developers batsh**t crazy (with the other half willing to use it) would be a resounding success." 		[17:53]
mercutioactually that's probably not that much of a problem [17:54]
brycec(Source, btw http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html) [17:55]
mercutioopenbsd is removing root for X
finally, with intel and ati video 		[17:56]
up_the_ironsmercutio: that was an office DC, class A building. a bit better than home :) [18:04]
mercutioahh ok [18:05]
up_the_ironsbrycec: mercutio : i've actually never seen racks attached to a wall, even in all the data centers i've been in nowadays [18:05]
mercutioneither have i actually [18:05]
brycecup_the_irons: what about the rack on the right in those old pics? Isn't it attached? [18:06]
up_the_ironswe had all our racks bolted to the floor
brycec: we had one rack attached to the wall, yeah 		[18:06]
brycecyou you HAVE seen racks attached to a wall :P [18:06]
up_the_ironsi mean OTHER racks ;) [18:06]
brycecAs far as DC's go, the ones I've seen have either been cabinets or the two-posts were bolted to the floor and to one another. In offices/closets, I've seen bolted to the floor and/or attached to the wall by a cable raceway/ladder. [18:07]
up_the_ironsyeah [18:08]
mercutiowhat happens if the floor fractures [18:08]
up_the_ironsmercutio: the "nice camera" belongs to a photographer friend of mine. he took the shots that look "pro" [18:08]
mercutioup_the_irons: some kind of dslr camera? [18:08]
up_the_ironsyes, canon full frame [18:09]
brycec(Oh and in one instance, neither bolted nor mounted to the wall. But it was leaning against the wall by the cable ladder) [18:09]
mercutioit's unusual for dc pictures :) [18:09]
up_the_ironsyou can see it in the Exif info [18:09]
brycecmercutio: Do floors do that, fracture? [18:09]
mercutiobrycec: i don't know
normal floors can
but you need reinforced floors for a datacentre 		[18:09]
brycecI dare say a floor is more likely to fracture when they have a couple of bolts drilled in to them, and then strain on those. [18:10]
mercutioi wonder how thick the floors are normally [18:10]
brycecIndeed a DC floor has to support a much higher density than typical floors. [18:10]
mercutiothey're usually concrete? [18:10]
brycecUnder the raised flooring? Yeah. Most construction these days seems to be concrete. [18:11]
mercutioand concrete doesn't really flex.
but i don't know what it would do
apparently raised floors are worse in an earthquake 		[18:11]
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m0undshah, sun pizzabox in the burbank one [18:41]
up_the_ironsone of my sparc stations!
it ran DNS
i still have it in the garage ;) 		[18:43]
m0undshaha, awesome [18:44]
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mercutiostick openbsd on it! [19:38]
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mnathanihow can I tell if kvm virtualization is supported on my compaq presario laptop running centos? [19:51]
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soljgrep "svm|vmx" /proc/cpuinfo [20:11]
mnathaniI guess not. Its a pretty old laptop: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow up
solj: thanks 		[20:12]
CaZe"compaq"
Yeah, pretty old. 		[20:13]
mnathaniI know, they dont make them any more [20:13]
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m0unds? [21:17]
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hazardousjust lost connectivity for a second on v6 [21:17]
m0undsspider sense tingling or something? [21:17]
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hazardouswhile i was in nano [21:17]
m0undsnot me
haha
coincidentally, my buddy's ircd just took a dump 		[21:17]
hazardousand two people in here timed out or something
maybe some routes only 		[21:18]
m0undsyeah [21:18]
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brycechahaha "3dnow" mnathani [21:36]
m0undshaha, to be fair, most AMD cpus have that instruction set [21:39]
brycecstill? When are they going to run out of bits...
brycec just realized he doesn't have a single AMD box newer than an Athlon64 		[21:40]
m0undshaha
i'm on one right now
i suppose i could boot into LUNIX right quick 		[21:40]
brycecor just virtualize like they did in the olden days [21:42]
m0undsye olde virtualization
i rarely if ever boot my linux partition. i'm just too lazy to wipe the disk.
http://pastebin.com/NH1ypeFQ

the opteron in my server has more 3dnow instructions than this one, hahaha
3dnao 		[21:43]
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brycecbeefy [22:19]
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mnathaniAnyone think there is any value to buying this product? http://packetpushers.net/f5-drops-lab-ve-price-to-95/ [22:57]
brycecNope! But then, it's not aimed at me. [23:11]
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mnathaniup_the_irons: I take it current / existing customers don't qualify for any promotional pricing / discounts: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1352151 [23:56]
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