#arpnetworks 2014-02-17,Mon

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mnathaniAny one try fastmail's new Calendar beta? [01:36]
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mike-burnsI looked at it when they first announced it, but it wasn't enough for me to switch from Google's Calendar. [02:25]
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m0undsoy - rel humidity in albuquerque is 9% [11:53]
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brycecThat doesn't sound unusual
When I lived in Phx, 7-9% was normal.
@weather ABQ
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BryceBotAlbuquerque International Sunport, NM: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 62°F (17°C), Humidity: 9%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=35.04166794,-106.61472321 or re-request this with: @weather -v ABQ [12:47]
brycec@weather PHX [12:48]
BryceBotPhoenix Sky Harbor International, AZ: Partly Cloudy ☁ 81°F (27°C), Humidity: 14%, Wind: From the Variable at 4 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=33.42770004,-112.00379944 or re-request this with: @weather -v PHX [12:48]
brycecheh [12:48]
toddf@weather OKC [12:55]
BryceBotWill Rogers World, OK: Clear 65°F (18°C), Humidity: 20%, Wind: From the NNW at 9 MPH Gusting to 18 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=35.38861084,-97.60028076 or re-request this with: @weather -v OKC [12:55]
brycec@weather 83854 [12:56]
BryceBotPost Falls, ID: Overcast ☁ 41°F (5°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the WSW at 11 MPH Gusting to 14.0 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=47.712502,-116.951797 or re-request this with: @weather -v 83854 [12:56]
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hazardous@weather 94107 [13:21]
BryceBotSan Francisco, CA: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 59°F (15°C), Humidity: 60%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=37.774124,-122.396362 or re-request this with: @weather -v 94107 [13:21]
hazardousi jsut realised something
weather.com is 'powered by wunderground'
i never noticed the tiny powered by icon
until today
wtf
wait, i need to not be sleep deprived
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staticsafe:o [13:22]
hazardousbecause i'm sure i've seen it before [13:22]
brycecwhat? hazardous where do you see that?
Heh I see that weather.com points @ wunderground for "Weather API"
Ahhh In July 2012, Weather Underground became part of The Weather Channel Companies.
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RandalSchwartzweird. right on 3 street promenade, some grizzled guy asked me if I wanted a blow job for $5. (Looking back on it, I think it was a sting.) But when I said "no way", he replied "don't you like to get off?" and I yelled back (as I kept walking) "not from a guy"
santa monica, you've gone downhill. :)
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staticsafeo_o [13:46]
milkilol
wierd
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hazardoussanta monica owns [13:48]
mike-burnsIs $5 a high price now? [13:48]
hazardousi was there recently
but never got offered blowjob :(
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brycecI was there last summer... Nobody offered me a bj, not even my fiancee. :p [13:49]
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jpalmerup_the_irons: ping [14:56]
brycecttl=12hrs [14:57]
jpalmerheh
I'll send in a support ticket. wanted to run something by him first.
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up_the_ironswth is this syntax: person.(self, :name, :age)
(Ruby)
from here: https://github.com/rails/jbuilder
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brycecbrycec avoids Ruby entirely :) [15:47]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz also avoids ruby
bastard child of perl and smalltalk
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up_the_irons<3 Ruby [17:31]
mhoranup_the_irons: New Proc#call syntax!
"new", since 2.0.
(Or, anything #call, since it's just a syntax extension.)
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up_the_ironsmhoran: wow ok
looks f'in strange
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mhoranYeah the first time I saw it, I was super confused. But then I started using it everywhere.
(Also, not even sure how you'd "google" that.)
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RandalSchwartzyou think that's hard? try googling for anything to do with APL :) [17:50]
mhoranHah, yup. [17:58]
RandalSchwartzif you can even type it on your keyboard. :) [18:01]
mercutiowhat about D programming language?
there's no good limiting support with google it seems
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RandalSchwartzhard to google for stuff about C# too
what was M$ thinking? :)
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m0undsuse ddg :) [18:55]
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up_the_ironsI'm putting in Precise support into our kvr Puppet manifests. Thinking going straight to Precise may be wise. Lucid now only has a year left of support. Man that came fast!
fortunately, it looks like the difference between Lucid and Precise is not nearly as much as from Jaunty to Lucid
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toddfis there a roadmap like timeframe for the kvm host updates mentioned a while ago? (since you're on the topic of upgrades..) [22:24]
up_the_ironstoddf: nothing in stone, but I'd like to upgrade kvr04 within the next two weeks, and then move up from there
the situation is getting to the point where i'm not putting new VMs on the older hosts, and this is a big constraint
so i gotta move forward on that
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toddfheh. kvr14 is where I'll be seein your efforts first. looking forward to it. I presume this will then move the various kvr systems to similar levels as kvr27/28 ? [22:29]
CaZeCaZe wonders what the uptime of kvr10 is. [22:30]
up_the_irons$ ssh kvr10 uptime
22:18:54 up 1323 days, 20:22, 1 user, load average: 3.39, 3.44, 3.43
jesus
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toddfI've noted that even with 'disable mpbios' there is some sort of timer OpenBSD looses within a few hours or so on kvr14 and kvr22, 'systat vmstat 1' never refreshes as a result, kvr27/kvr28 work fine however [22:30]
up_the_ironshosts with over 1000 days of uptime, I may hold off. By definition they are running very well :)
i have enough hosts to go around
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mnathanihow many actual cores and sockets does kvr10 have? [22:31]
up_the_ironstoddf: little bugs like that are the motivator for a lot of this; otherwise, the hosts are running fine.
mnathani: 2 sockets, 4 cores each
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toddfheh. will you be giving some automated message to vps people on the systems so they can e.g. not plan on critical 'do not interrupt' stuff and be surprised the next morning? ;-) [22:32]
up_the_ironswell, of course, i will send notifications :) [22:32]
CaZeYeah, I knew it was at least 600 days.
Well, at least 700.
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up_the_ironsyeah [22:33]
CaZeMy ARP two-year anniversery is coming up. :D [22:33]
mnathaniup_the_irons: probably 16 / 32 gigs of ram or more? [22:33]
mercutiooh does this mean virtio for all? [22:33]
up_the_ironsCaZe: :)
mnathani: all hosts have at least 32g. some 48g. and all new ones have 64g
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mercutioi think the host i was on rebooted once
i am on even
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up_the_ironsi may make kvr30 have 128g soon (kinda running low and it still has juice for more VMs) [22:34]
mercutioup_the_irons: so the idea is lucid -> precise -> then in a couple of years, trusty? [22:34]
up_the_ironsmercutio: most of the nodes are still jaunty, so it'll go straight to precise if my first couple upgrades are successful [22:36]
mercutiooh wow [22:36]
up_the_ironssince that is a large jump, i am actually planning to do a complete re-install [22:36]
mercutioi used to juse jaunty
well of cousre, i used most releases
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up_the_ironsan entire install doesn't take too long.. like 15 minutes [22:36]
mercutioso there'll be 30 minutes downtime say? [22:37]
up_the_ironsyeah [22:37]
mnathaniup_the_irons: will you be doing the install on a spare chasis then importing all the vms into it and promoting it to the appropriate KVM host [22:37]
mercutioit seems weird to upgrade to precise with trusty just around the corner
but kvm could introduce issues i suppsoe
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up_the_ironsmercutio: i don't do bleeding edge [22:38]
mercutiomnathani: how would that work? [22:38]
up_the_ironsmnathani: no, it'll be in-place [22:38]
mercutioup_the_irons: i meant holding off until trusty is out
which is the next lts
but yeah i suppose it'd still be new
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up_the_ironsmercutio: precise is still new enough [22:39]
mercutioprecise isn't too bad actually
quantal and raring are a bit iffy
quantal especially
i wonder if it'll make much cpu usage difference
the non virtio probably uses more cpu
oh, but changing version doesn't necessarily mean changing to virtio
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CaZe01:29:34 <@toddf> I've noted that even with 'disable mpbios' there is some sort of timer OpenBSD looses within a few hours or so on kvr14 and kvr22, 'systat vmstat 1' never refreshes as a result, kvr27/kvr28 work fine however
I get "The alternate system clock has died!" on kvr10.
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mercutiocaze: i got some 0% cpu bug at oen point
never noticed any porblems from it though
only real issue i've had is random network hangs in dmesg
but it doesn't seem that common normally
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CaZeAlso, just "systat" never refreshes, with no message. [22:43]
mercutiooh and vnc is slow
oh?
try systat 1
seems to refresh for me
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CaZe"The alternate system clock has died!" [22:46]
mercutiosysstat without takes a while but still refreshes
caze: on 5.5?
maybe you on diff hw than me
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CaZemercutio: snapshot
mercutio: I'm on kvr10.
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mercutioor differnt oS
i'm on 1x something
i dunno
cpu0: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 2.59 GHz
bios0: vendor QEMU version "QEMU" date 01/01/2007
if that shows version somehow
i'm on kvr15
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up_the_ironsmy T61 just died on battery, and now the battery light is blinking.. damn i hope the battery isn't toast [22:49]
CaZecaze@lentil:~> sysctl kern.version
kern.version=OpenBSD 5.5-beta (GENERIC) #236: Fri Jan 24 11:44:07 MST 2014 todd@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC
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mercutiokern.version=OpenBSD 5.5-beta (BEN) #0: Sat Feb 15 18:26:21 NZDT 2014
i only just did the update
it was a pita :/
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CaZeI just did a fresh install. [22:50]
mercutiooh true [22:50]
CaZeMy previous installation was from June of last year. [22:50]
mercutiothere's no serial console installer option :/
probably have to do set tty com0 or something
then it wouldn't be as annoying to install
do you reinstall often?
io think i upgraded from 4.7 through 5.3
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CaZeNo.
But I knew I had to deal with the time_t thing, and a few other things.
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mercutioi'm using i386 too
maybe that mskes a diff
cos i had 256mb ram initially
yeah that time_t thing is annoying
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CaZeSo I just did a fresh install.
Installing from the serial console is really easy.
I don't even really remember doing anything special.
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mercutiohmm you still have to use vnc to make it use serial don't you
i'm pretty sure i have serial setup for normal
or does it automagically work?
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CaZeNo.
I've used VNC exactly once ever.
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mercutioheh [22:53]
CaZeAnd only because I blew away my bootloader.
Ah, I have "set tty com0" in /etc/boot.conf
As well as "set timeout 60"
"stty com0 9600"
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