[04:46] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Sun Feb 09 04:46:57 2014 [04:46] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [04:48] *** mike-bur1 is now known as mike-burns [06:07] *** Grumptober has quit IRC (Quit: FreeBSD Power) [06:47] *** tehfink has joined #arpnetworks [08:54] *** tehfink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [08:58] *** tehfink has joined #arpnetworks [09:16] <.< [09:16] >.> [09:17] No drop at ~6am, yay [09:18] hah [09:18] yeh [09:20] so it wsa just any2ix creating issues/ [09:20] i'd say no [09:22] he mentioned memory corruption, so i'd guess that it's hw or less likely, an ios bug [09:23] up_the_irons: TAC does do case-by-case TAC stuff, but it seems like not all of their support people have any idea how to even set it up. we had a series of HW issues in july, and since we don't keep TAC contracts (ime, they're worthless about 85% of the time), we had to escalate to a manager to get a one-time case opened [09:30] it sucks when random traffic can crash a router [09:46] It's a terrible router that can be crashed by random traffic :p [10:00] yeah, and it's terrible when "support engineers" are paid to search through old support cases and KB entries hoping they can find somethign similar [10:00] and that during an environment down emergency they'll just tell you "sorry, we don't have a product engineer available because it's saturday; can you wait til monday for a callback?" [10:00] mad awesome [10:03] wow [10:20] *** FreeSpencer has joined #arpnetworks [10:20] Was there ever an east coast location with ARPNetworks? [10:20] not yet [10:20] i think it's due to come this year [10:20] Has it always been LA? [10:20] yeh [10:21] Hmm nvm then! [10:21] i told you FreeSpencer [10:21] *** FreeSpencer has left "Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" [10:21] lol [10:21] what [10:36] hahaha [10:36] LA is..east of hawaii? [10:37] Yup. [10:42] north east [11:12] i was meaning in the context of an "east" location, hahaha [11:12] i need a new office chair [11:44] oh right [11:57] I do too... Seemed like a fine chair when I bought it, but less than a year later the cylinder won't hold pressure (10 minutes is all it takes), and the right armrest doesn't attach to the back correctly anymore (leaning back is exciting). [12:03] it's a pita shpopoing for new office chairs [12:03] most aren't very good [12:04] and how are you meant to know if it'll fail in a year's time withotu researching [12:04] my old chair lost gas acutally [12:04] but it was also really worn by then [12:04] adn it was about 7 years old [12:04] i dunno how long they're meant to last [12:15] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:15] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [12:24] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) [12:25] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [12:56] anybody notice v6 issues? [12:56] I can ping6 google, but not facebook, and not my end of a he.net tunnel [12:58] pinging fine for me facebook v6 [12:58] from your arpnetworks vps? [13:01] yup [13:01] http://pastebin.com/cCTnCzXG [13:02] could be due to your gigabit connectivity? [13:03] I'd expect google would not work then [13:03] can you ping6 0.v.freedaemon.com ? [13:04] oh google doesn't work via v6 [13:05] yeah likely something was not saved or something, the odd thing though is I see the v6 router [13:05] http://sprunge.us/DXTG [13:07] 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4101ms ( 0.v.freedaemon.com ) [13:19] sent a support request. [13:55] Are you experiencing the same on all your vpsen? [13:56] I guess they are all in the same VLAN [14:28] mercutio: yea, i had my previous one for 9 years..it was a cheapie, but it was uncomfortable by about year 4. i just couldn't find any i liked, so i gave up on it [14:28] my chair is annyoing me [14:28] but it's liek $700 for a good chair [14:29] i just bought some commercial grade one like i have at work [14:29] Build your own tractor seat chair. [14:32] haha [14:35] officemax had a $30 off coupon thing, so this one ended up being almost $150 off w/their office furniture promotion [14:35] http://www.wired.com/reviews/2013/06/office-chair-gallery/ [14:35] Wired: "You're Gonna Want to Sit Down for This: 6 High-End Desk Chairs Reviewed | Product Reviews | Wired.com" [14:36] brycec: does BryceBot have URL shortening capabilities? [14:39] haha, nice chairs [14:39] cheapest one is only roughly 175% of the cost of this one, hahahaha [14:39] see they're all expensive [14:39] yea [14:39] http://www.officemax.com/catalog/2013/Customs/WorkPro/cst-workpro-chair4.png [14:39] i thought i should splash out on a chair sometime [14:39] I'm perfectly comfortable withot armrests. [14:39] but i'd want to do enoqugh research [14:40] i can go either way - arm rests get in the way of my desk [14:40] also, my cat likes armrests [14:40] that looks like my chair sort of [14:40] he likes to stand up and paw at my arm to get my attention [14:40] only sort of [14:40] the back looks diff [14:40] i wasn't a fan of mesh backs at first, but i grew to like how well it breathes [14:40] i have mesh with a soft headrest type thing [14:40] especially when it's warm [14:41] yeah - that's how my work one is, has a mesh headrest [14:41] i'm too tall for that though, so i just removed it [14:41] it's that where you sit down is to thin that seems to my biggest issue [14:41] http://www.target.com/p/tractor-chair-black/-/A-13704390?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C13704390&CPNG=Furniture&kpid=13704390&LID=PA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=13704390&gclid=CKDU5r6OwLwCFUcV7AodRS4ALw [14:41] and tends to thin in the middle after owning longer [14:41] I used to have that. [14:41] now that i think about it it's probably fixable [14:42] i suppose you could probably open it up and replace whatever cushion type thing is in there [14:42] I was perfectly comfortable in it, but the plastic eventually cracked in the seat. [14:42] I bought a metal tractor seat off of ebay with the intention of replacing it. [14:42] Never got around to it though. [14:42] arctulaly it looks like it's not that easy [14:43] and would involve unscrewing the bottom [14:43] yea, or the cushion might be glued in place and screwed in place [14:43] it doesn't matter if it glued [14:43] like, wood board with cushion and upholstery glued to it, then the whole thing screwed into the base [14:43] you just pack another one on in middle [14:44] TWSS [14:44] Okay! twss! 'you just pack another one on in middle' [14:44] the thing is i don't even weigh a lot [14:44] the upholstery would probably fail and it'd look like you beat the stuffing out of the seat, hahaha [14:44] i must sit a lot ;/ [14:44] hahahaha [14:44] get one of those kneeling seats [14:45] http://vvro.us/1f7JlPB they look goofy [14:45] it's like a bicycle seat and part of a massage chair or something [14:45] oh i tried one of those once [14:46] Can't wank in those. [14:46] never got used to it [14:46] you could, but you'd probably break your kneck [14:46] neck* [14:46] kneck? wtf. [14:46] i dno't think the one i used had wheels [14:46] * m0unds sighs [14:46] yeah, i'd think the wheels would make it more dangerous [14:46] i like the idea of a standing desk [14:46] have you guys heard of that? [14:46] yeah, i did that for a few weeks [14:47] how'd it go? [14:47] raised my workstation up to chest level [14:47] pretty well, but i found that it was hard to get my displays quite right [14:47] i have them on arms, but they didn't have enough tilt to get them to where i could look at them naturally [14:47] hmm [14:47] now that you mention it i'd probably have that issue too [14:47] my legs felt great though [14:47] haha [14:47] i want to try it [14:48] but my desk can't raise that high [14:48] heh [14:48] put another desk on top of your desk [14:48] did your normal desk support it? [14:48] that soudns dangerous [14:48] only if you don't anchor that sucker [14:48] earthquakes don't happen here, but wheer i used to live i had to move from because of earthquakes [14:48] so i'm paranoid now [14:49] yeah, my desk at work is adjustable for height [14:49] like i'm always thinking where things might fall :) [14:49] http://www.katu.com/news/local/Snow-plow-rolls-blocks-Highway-105--244634991.html yeesh [14:49] is the US still screwed up by weather? [14:50] it was like < 0c highs when i last looked [14:50] it's 65F here today; should be 30-40 [14:50] i forgot the command [14:50] @wa 65F in C [14:50] i think [14:50] 65f is 18.3c [14:50] convert 65 °F (degrees Fahrenheit) to degrees Celsius;18.33 °C (degrees Celsius);291.48 K (kelvins);524.67 °R (degrees Rankine);14.667 °Ré (degrees Réaumur);17.125 °Rø (degrees Rømer);1.667 °C below temperature at STP (standard temperature and pressure), using the National Institute of Standards and Technology convention (20 °C);2.778 °C above temperature at STP (standard temperature and pressure), using the US customary convent [14:50] so slightly cold [14:50] @wa 30F in C [14:50] ^ that's what it should be [14:50] convert 30 °F (degrees Fahrenheit) to degrees Celsius;-1.111 °C (degrees Celsius);272.04 K (kelvins);489.67 °R (degrees Rankine);-0.88889 °Ré (degrees Réaumur);6.9167 °Rø (degrees Rømer);1.111 °C below melting point of water ice (at standard pressure) (0 °C);1.111 °C below temperature at STP (standard temperature and pressure), using the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry convention (0 °C);1.11 °C below ice poin [14:50] @wa 0c in f [14:50] 32 [14:50] convert 0 °C (degrees Celsius) to degrees Fahrenheit;32 °F (degrees Fahrenheit);273.15 K (kelvins);491.67 °R (degrees Rankine);0 °Ré (degrees Réaumur);7.5 °Rø (degrees Rømer);= melting point of water ice (at standard pressure) (0 °C);= temperature at STP (standard temperature and pressure), using the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry convention (0 °C);~~ ice point of water (273.15 K);temperature;[temperature];Ther [14:50] i know that offhand [14:50] haha [14:51] oh [14:51] but yea, should be around that as a high where i live, but it's been in the 60s on and off for two weeks [14:51] nice [14:51] driving me nuts [14:51] i want snow [14:51] so do i [14:51] it's only 23c here atm [14:51] but it might get hotter :( [14:51] i wish it could abbbbbbbereviate [14:51] 23c=73.4f [14:52] heh my repeat value a bit high [14:53] do you ever get stuck at work? [14:53] by snow [15:17] *** josephb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [15:18] umm, i've gotten stuck there twice [15:19] once for ice and once for snow [15:19] biggest snow i can remember here was ~60cm or so [15:19] *** josephb has joined #arpnetworks [16:02] Haha, it does, but they're not enabled (last I checked). BryceBot only has URL de-shortening :D 14:35:21 >> m0unds<< brycec: does BryceBot have URL shortening capabilities? [16:04] (Because brycec hates shortened URLs) [16:12] haha debian is falling apart [16:39] *** tehfink has quit IRC (Quit: tehfink) [16:53] mercutio: init debacle you mean? [17:00] up_the_irons: yes [17:00] people are asking Ian to resign. [17:00] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00363.html [17:00] it's like a university. [17:01] on a positive note i figured out how to get notrack to work. [17:01] mo drammuh [17:01] i want to see systemd go ahead. [17:02] i just wanna see something modern and well engineered [17:02] but OMGZ NAHT INIT NAHT GUN UZE IT [17:02] well i find systemd a little confusing [17:02] but it has grown on me over time [17:03] and nearly everyone except ubuntu is using it [17:03] and ubuntu seems to just want to do things differently for the sake of it [17:03] i also want to see waylong go ahead rather than mir [17:03] yea, i felt the same way about systemd, but it makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways [17:04] and i like how you can specify dependencies for startup and stuff [17:04] i still haven't found a linux i really like [17:05] i've started using arch for personal systems [17:05] but i don't think it's really suitable for critical systems [17:06] not really a fan of ubuntu, centos, or debian. debian and centos have outdated packages. [17:06] ubuntu at least has 2 yearly long term versions, but has a few annoying things [17:07] so in the end i end up using ubuntu anyway. but it doesn't mean it's ideal. [17:08] i kind of think debian has to look at two year release cycle or such [17:09] actually it looks like it does have two year release cycle now [17:09] i thin it was woody -> sarge when i moved to ubuntu [17:10] mercutio: outdated packages == system stability. keep in mind, they do backport security fixes [17:10] yeah i had problems with php 4 and apache 1.3 ? [17:11] debian was quite far behind with php [17:11] that said i shifted to ubuntu 6 monthly rather than two yearly [17:11] php is a bit of a nightmare though [17:11] * jpalmer uses CentOS at work. [17:11] do you like centos? [17:11] yeah, I personally avoid PHP like the devil. [17:11] if your hw is supported by debian or centos, it works great [17:12] but modern raid cards and stuff can be a huge hassle [17:12] i kind of would like to see things like tmux stay current [17:12] or be included [17:12] depending on mfgr [17:12] whereas core thingss can be a bit more stable [17:12] i've been using custom kernels for a while now [17:12] m0unds: that advice was valid 15 years ago [17:12] mercutio: At this point, all of the unixen are very similar to me. I use puppet, so.. I just define what I think the system should look like.. and puppet "makes it happen" [17:12] is it still the way it is? :) [17:12] it's still valid. [17:12] haha [17:13] puppet is great [17:13] the annoying thing i foundwith centos is it had lots of braindead config by default which required tweaking [17:13] i like openbsd having bare config, but still keeping important things there [17:13] lots of LSI cards have issues with 2.6.x kernels, as much as that shouldn't happen [17:13] interetsing [17:14] it does and it's annoying [17:14] lsi 9211 is fine isn't it? [17:14] mercutio: I don't really consider that a valid concern/issue. as an admin, I very rarely ever install anything, and leave a default config. tweaking and such are a fact of life [17:14] true i just feel like it's nice when systems depart from defaults in known ways. . [17:14] i think it was things like ntp from memory [17:14] no idea, but a client of mine managed to find three separate lsi card models made in the last 2 years that would crash and die pretty regularly [17:15] m0unds: ouch. [17:15] i thought it was the disks at first, but then noticed that happened with every disk we tried [17:15] i saw a problem with lsi and western digital disks [17:15] i was wondering what was happening :/ [17:15] but in the end it magically worked with seagate disks [17:16] yeah, that sort of behavior is total crap in 2014 [17:16] hahaha [17:16] yeah this was older hardware [17:16] but still [17:16] i tried emailing lsi and western digital [17:16] western digital don't have any alternative firmwares or firmware updates [17:16] yeah, they only make firmware updates available if they screw something up during production [17:16] at least that's been my exp with them [17:16] lsi won't support cards that use their chipset [17:16] * jpalmer ponders spinning up a VM to play with katello [17:17] i think it was intel lsi card [17:17] * m0unds has no idea what katello is [17:17] oh, neat [17:17] it's kind of bad there's only wd and seagate making disks now imo [17:17] sounds like fun [17:18] i never used to try emailing vendors [17:18] but i've tried a bit recently [17:18] asrock have been the best so far [17:18] i've heard their support is really good [17:19] m0unds: foreman, pulp, candlepin, puppet [17:20] an interesting point on the debian thing is that people probably see it [debian] as different things. arguments on cross-os is probably aligned towards package management and set of rules while others just want "one" operating system. [17:20] jpalmer: yeah, was just checking out the project's site - sounds neat [17:21] i changed my knobset for my garage entry door and keep locking myself out of the house [17:22] whoops, wrong channel [17:22] haha [19:12] the packet loss on NTT has gotten really bad [19:12] http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.comcast6net [19:12] http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.verizon-snloca [19:19] *** tabthorpe has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:19] *** tabthorpe has joined #arpnetworks [19:21] *** KDE_Perry has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:22] *** KDE_Perry has joined #arpnetworks [19:27] wow [19:27] are you sure it's not some icmp limit? [19:28] you're not pinging a comcast router are you [19:29] no, that's comcast.com [19:29] it still might be deprioritisng [19:29] i'm doing mtr to that now [19:29] see how the hop before doesn't have packet loss [19:29] oh now it does [19:29] haha [19:29] ok i think it is prob an issue [19:29] yeah, my mtrs can confirm that [19:29] oh that's strange my route is via akamai from home [19:30] ntt is a lot more jittery for me than nlayer, haha [19:30] oh you need to leave off www [19:30] yeah they been havving issues recently it seems [19:30] it seems to come and go a bit [19:30] this is really bad though [19:30] hmm comcast is fine from home [19:30] but it's not going via ntt [19:31] ikr [19:31] i hadn't seen issues on arp [19:31] i think it's random like some ip's may be hit worse than others [19:31] that's what it seems like [19:31] so yeh 0%packet loss with 100 pings from home [19:31] 7.1% with 111 packets from arp [19:32] I think it's the return path [19:32] it's hard to check that [19:32] but i can check a different forward path [19:32] well, the return path when pinging comcast->arp [19:32] return to arp via comcast? [19:32] lemme do that (comcast in albuquerque here) [19:32] ok got a ntt forward path [19:32] http://paste.unixcube.org/k/ccdaba [19:33] it's being problematic sntraight away [19:33] my outbound path is via nlayer [19:33] same here [19:33] restarting it in case it was "getting used to" new traffic [19:33] it got weird after that last reboot [19:33] ntt is random [19:33] return path from arp to comcast used to be symmetrical [19:33] it seems to randomly have issues on/off [19:33] so, nlayer out, nlayer back [19:33] yeah i'm definitely htiting it with forward path via ntt [19:33] but not via verizon [19:34] well on the positive side it's easier to route around [19:34] if up_the_irons will do so [19:34] is up_the_irons planning on making level3 the default outbound path? [19:35] mind you there's that annaying 100k route limit [19:35] i imagine comcast has some big subnets [19:35] there's about 560 comcast routes [19:36] oh less than that cos double ups etc [19:36] about 180 [19:36] arp networks has level3? [19:36] they're getting it [19:36] :o [19:37] contract signed, but not in yet [19:37] i assume it shouldn't take that long [19:37] but you never know [19:37] yay for more variety [19:37] http://pastebin.com/8CDG5nAg [19:38] i thin kit's actually as6453 creating the isssue btw [19:38] i've seen issues with as6453 before [19:38] but that was to europe [19:38] of course that's a hunch rather than antyhing proven [19:38] yea, tata sucks [19:38] comcast has a funny thing w/tata [19:39] they're where comcast traffic goes when you don't want to peer directly with comcast [19:39] comcast has a funny thing with cogent too [19:39] i would say that comcast suck and no-one should care [19:39] but i realise comcast is all most people have available [19:39] other than at&t dsl :/ [19:39] you don't know too much about us telecom :P [19:39] i know a bit [19:39] there's lots of options, comcast is the best in most areas [19:39] there's verizon fios and cox in some areas [19:39] but for instance san jose has just got comcast and at&t [19:40] cox sucks, verizon isn't great and their installers like setting stuff on fire [19:40] but yeah i don't know that much [19:40] cox use cogent [19:40] verizon use vdsl? [19:40] my friend in Charlotte, NC has either AT&T DSL or TWC [19:40] verizon is adsl2 [19:40] verizon vdsl2 or fios [19:40] err, adsl2 [19:40] i know that at&t suck [19:40] yea, twc is bad [19:40] staticsafe: is twc any good? [19:41] they can't afford to upgrade systems [19:41] they're way behind [19:41] no idea, I'm not in the US either :p [19:41] they almost were part of a hostile takeover [19:41] heh [19:41] because their customers hate them [19:41] nice [19:41] but they're now being forced to actually start investing in infrastructure [19:41] not much better over in Ontario, Canada though :( [19:42] http://stopthecap.com/2014/01/30/time-warner-cable-plans-to-triple-broadband-speeds-if-they-survive-a-hostile-takeover/ [19:42] err [19:42] wrong link [19:43] http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/27/5351082/charter-reportedly-selling-comcast-twc-assets-if-buyout-succeeds that was the one i wanted to link [19:43] stupid chrome [19:43] The Verge: "Comcast reportedly wants to nab millions of customers from Time Warner Cable" [19:44] well at least i don't have any usage caps [19:44] haha, neither do i [19:45] i like usage caps [19:45] i'd rather have fast net than congested net [19:45] Jan 8/14 - Feb 7/14 826GB [19:46] that said i don't have cap [19:46] but i like other people to have caps [19:46] so my net keeps going fast [19:46] lol. [19:46] show interfaces terse [19:46] err, wrong terminal [19:46] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sd.... [19:47] i love trying to explain to people how to extract tarballs [19:47] and then they ask what every bit does :/ [19:48] xz -dc blah.tar.xz | tar -vxf - [19:48] etc [19:48] i don't even know if tar has an option for xz yet [19:48] tar -xvZf ? [19:48] does that do xz [19:48] i kind of got appehensive when it was I and j for bzip2 [19:49] and then you found a system that had neither [19:49] haha, 248.94GB down, 23.66 up [19:49] hmm [19:49] 4.7 gig yesterday, 8 gig the ady before [19:50] yeh i think i'm a light user [19:50] and roughly 13.8% of my traffic was ipv6 [19:50] how do you work that out? [19:50] it's tunneled, so i just graph the ipip if on my srx [19:50] som\e days i only do 1.3gig [19:51] oh i see [19:51] so it's an approximation, but i'd say it's reasonable [19:51] most of that is probably netflix, oddly enough [19:51] yah [19:51] i reckon 500gb caps all around isn't a bad idea [19:51] and pay a little more for 2tb cap or something [19:51] or even 250 gig for light [19:51]