#arpnetworks 2014-02-06,Thu

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Who	What	When
brycec	Wheee look at those NTT hops ...there are more hops to Google over v6 than over v4 :( 12 vs 7	[01:07]
up_the_irons	brycec: I'll see if ASN 11799 can peer with us over IPv6; that's how we're getting 7 hops in v4	[01:17]
mike-bur1	I really need to get on this v6 bandwagon.	[01:17]
up_the_irons	i just sent 'em an email about it	[01:17]
brycec	Cool	[01:18]
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mercutio	the route to google looks fine ignore the hops it's ~ 10 msec well to www.google.com oh and < 1 msec by ipv4 i see why you care :)	[04:39]
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brycec	heh I didn't even pay attention to the latency... I was just curious about the new path taken was all Also yeah I see those same numbers, 11ms over v6, .7ms over v4	[08:06]
m0unds	kinda trivial latency-wise but less hops is moar bettar i guess fewer	[08:07]
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mike-burns	Also more and better ...	[08:49]
m0unds	nah intentional	[08:49]
mike-burns	Hah.	[08:49]
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toddf	is anybody having networking issues at arp at the moment? I'm discovering my vps'en are hard down, no networking between any of them let alone to the gateways	[09:06]
brycec	MOAR BETTAR	[09:08]
toddf	?	[09:08]
brycec	toddf: reference to something earlier. toddf: And I'm not seeing any issues with my lone VPS.	[09:08]
toddf	whether it is new or I'm blind and just noticed, I'm very glad that portal.arpnetworks.com links to support.arpnetworks.com with the login to portal and I can view and create tickets that way. mail is down for me as a result of the vps issues mentioned above .. ;-(	[09:19]
brycec	Heh, so it does. Neat	[09:21]
m0unds	that sucks - i had a blip early this morning that dropped ipv4 connectivity to a couple places and triggered monitoring notifications	[09:23]
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mercutio	it seems routing via any2ix/coresite is half-working now i don't rememer as11799.net appearing before	[14:10]
staticsafe	seeing a lot more NTT in v6 routes to ARP now :)	[14:24]
mercutio	oh ntt has better routing too i think oh ntt are japanese aren't they	[14:24]
staticsafe	yep	[14:25]
mercutio	so japanese destinaions aren't good tests :) struggling to find ipv6 sites now facebook, kame, ..	[14:25]
staticsafe	asininetech.com	[14:26]
brycec	google	[14:26]
mercutio	dundeadly.org	[14:26]
brycec	vps[13].cobryce.com	[14:26]
mercutio	i did google yesterday asinetech.com is via he.net (spelt correctly)	[14:26]
brycec	(as is vps1. vps3 is on ARP)	[14:27]
mercutio	bryce: that won't help i was seeing what goes over ntt :/ oh what you are on tunnel	[14:27]
brycec	huh?	[14:28]
mercutio	it goes via he.net to you too bryce	[14:28]
brycec	mercutio: to which, vps1? I already said it's on he.net. (vps3 is native on ARP.)	[14:28]
mercutio	oh right vps1	[14:28]
brycec	<-- creative VPS naming	[14:28]
mercutio	i thought you said vps 1 to 3 are on arp yeh ok yeh i know right you should see my old naming i had sj.meh.net.nz, la.meh.net.nz, chi.meh.net.z, da.meh.net.nz, uk.meh.net.nz, am.meh.net.nz etc but then what happens if you have more than one in la :/ so i have arp.meh.net.nz now :) the old la.meh.net.nz was on budgetvm, who had heaps of ddos issues	[14:28]
brycec	lol I thought you were using meh.net.nz as a dummy	[14:30]
mercutio	now i should really cull it from dns haha	[14:30]
brycec	(but then I looked it up)	[14:30]
mercutio	i have the.net.net too oops the.net.nz but i'm not using it for much atm argh that reminds me i have to update my nameservers :/ is anyone following the debian upstart vs systemd debate?	[14:30]
mike-burns	is there a ML I should look on to see this? Either way I'll be annoyed; I just want BSD's init.	[14:32]
brycec	I value my sanity... That's why I listened to the Bill Nye/Ken Ham "creationism" "debate".	[14:33]
mercutio	there's many mailing lists i think but you shouldn't it's been going on for months it's like watching politics on tv :/	[14:33]
brycec	srsly	[14:33]
mercutio	you may be able to do it, but it's much easier if someone else watches it for you and gives you an overview unless you like watching grown men bickering between each other	[14:33]
mike-burns	Well, what's the overview?	[14:33]
mercutio	well they've had months of debate, and have finally voted on... further discussion http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5NDk i pasted some url to a humurous video outlining various things in it though http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684 which at least helped me understand in more deatil i hope they go with systemd myself	[14:34]
staticsafe	same	[14:35]
mercutio	i don't really like systemd but i'd much rather see something that everyone uses	[14:35]
mike-burns	It looks like the upstart license is incompatible?	[14:36]
mercutio	mike-burns: but there are upstart people on the board the upstart license is .. complicated.	[14:36]
mike-burns	https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart - the con is confusing.	[14:36]
brycec	I agree with3 mercutio	[14:36]
mercutio	but it's like the fsf license i think where you have to assign copyright or something	[14:36]
mike-burns	Does anyone use Debian/BSD? GNU userland and FreeBSD kernel, I guess?	[14:37]
mercutio	nope	[14:37]
brycec	lol nope!	[14:37]
mike-burns	That's what I thought.	[14:37]
m0unds	i grew to like systemd when i messed with arch	[14:37]
mercutio	i have tried ferebsd 10 now m0unds: how do you do /etc/rc.local?	[14:37]
m0unds	eh?	[14:38]
brycec	Never really understood that... If you want the FreeBSD kernel, just run FreeBSD. If you're soooo attached to Debian-isms, you have personal issues :p	[14:38]
mercutio	to have some local stuff executed after all the systemd crap :/	[14:38]
m0unds	oh, no idea. i used just 100% systemd crap	[14:38]
mercutio	i lvoe how much faster pacman in arch is than apt-get in debian/ubuntu	[14:38]
brycec	mercutio: Write a systemd service :p	[14:38]
m0unds	yea, it's super fast	[14:39]
mike-burns	I never understood GNU userland+FreeBSD kernel: the Linux kernel has tons more hardware support, and GNU userland is awful.	[14:39]
m0unds	systemd is really fast to init too	[14:39]
mercutio	i'm using arch now :)	[14:39]
m0unds	i don't really like the system journal vs discrete logs	[14:39]
brycec	mike-burns: except when it comes to very specific things, like ZFS :p	[14:39]
m0unds	but it doesn't bother me /that/ much	[14:39]
mercutio	i'm using ssd but yeah it boots pretty quick	[14:39]
mike-burns	brycec: Right, true; and then I'd just use FreeBSD.	[14:39]
brycec	I hear that, m0unds mike-burns: which is precisely what I'm doing too :p	[14:39]
mike-burns	I would, however, use Linux + BSD userland.	[14:39]
mercutio	for some reason freebsd is insanely slow to boot	[14:39]
brycec	-ENOTENOUGHRICERS	[14:40]
m0unds	i have it on an awful little amd netbook (arch) and it boots in ~15 sec w/a 5400rpm disk	[14:40]
mercutio	but really ther'es not a huge diff between ubuntu and arch boot times but freebsd seems to take about 10 times as long to boot i imagine it's not doing enough parallel starting etc how did you time it m0unds?	[14:40]
m0unds	not sure how long it takes to start freebsd; i don't really reboot the systems i have that run it	[14:41]
brycec	I think that during the migration, Arch had a systemd service that just executed /etc/rc.local too. Easy enough to do. 14:36:50 < mercutio> m0unds: how do you do /etc/rc.local?	[14:41]
m0unds	ah, ok - i tested arch after it was already in use i'm not a linux desktop person	[14:41]
brycec	And you could always just use cron + @reboot	[14:41]
m0unds	i timed it after post completed - post is 3 seconds	[14:41]
mercutio	ok i'm about 1 second to grub	[14:42]
m0unds	something like that anyway	[14:42]
mercutio	about 5 seconds booting i just booted my other pc it's uefi	[14:42]
m0unds	my win8 box is to the login screen in 5-8 seconds ssd, uefi	[14:42]
mercutio	yeah this is ssd/uefi	[14:43]
brycec	brycec remembers when...	[14:43]
mercutio	dual boot windows/linux i also don't boot into X :/	[14:43]
m0unds	yeah, i have arch on a second disk in that box, but arch is on a platter drive	[14:43]
mercutio	i just login and type startx	[14:43]
brycec	brycec too	[14:43]
m0unds	yeah, same w/the little laptop i have	[14:43]
mercutio	i hate lightdm	[14:43]
m0unds	desktop arch install boots to x because i don't care rarely ever boot it anyway	[14:43]
mercutio	i reckoen if soemthingshould be optimised it's video card uhh getting the resolution thingy [drm:drm_edid_block_valid] ERROR EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is 128 like crap like that in dmesg	[14:44]
m0unds	yuck	[14:44]
mercutio	ikr but it seems to get the data ok it just seems to slow it down	[14:45]
m0unds	huh.	[14:45]
mercutio	radeon 0000:01:00.0: DVI-I-1: Ignoring invalid EDID block 1.	[14:45]
m0unds	my mbp takes ~20 seconds to boot from power button w/an SSD	[14:45]
mercutio	i think it's cos i only using one monitor m0unds: wow my hackinstosh boots faster than that :/ are you using mavericks?	[14:45]
brycec	Ooh burn	[14:46]
m0unds	yep, mavericks has lots of issues	[14:46]
mercutio	weird windows 8 definitely boots faster than macos though	[14:46]
m0unds	my wife's mba boots in about the same time, but she's still on mountain lion 2013 gen (haswell) mba	[14:47]
mercutio	oh i didn't know they did haswell on lion i don't hate macos i just prefer linux and ion	[14:47]
m0unds	i like it, there's just lots of improvements they could make to ux	[14:48]
mercutio	i like that it installs zsh by default	[14:48]
m0unds	i had to teach myself to use expose instead of cmd tab	[14:48]
mercutio	and ssh	[14:48]
m0unds	because i kept minimizing windows and it's annoying to go to the window menu to find what i'm trying to switch back to yea, that was why i went with a macbook - better specs than an ultrabook, lots of tools i use on a regular basis baked in 2.9GHz i7, 8gb ram, 200-someodd gb ssd	[14:48]
staticsafe	SSDs sure are great	[14:51]
m0unds	yea, price/gig is coming down a lot too	[14:51]
staticsafe	i got one for my desktop	[14:51]
mercutio	you think that now wait until they get 1/10th of the latency	[14:51]
staticsafe	256GB Samsung 840 EVO	[14:51]
mercutio	there's some room for improvement i think the first improvements are coming with parallel requests and more direct access	[14:52]
m0unds	the only thing that sucks about ssds is having to use machines that don't have one	[14:52]
mercutio	bringing latency down m0unds: haha yeh	[14:52]
staticsafe	best part is no noise tbh	[14:52]
mercutio	taht's why i like the idea of these hybrids but would never want to use one myself	[14:52]
staticsafe	mechanical drives get noisy	[14:52]
mercutio	yeah i dunno why some drives are much noisier than others but i kept wanting to have raid at home but having nowhere to stick it	[14:53]
m0unds	yea, my env at work isn't quiet enough to notice disks	[14:53]
mercutio	it's pretty easy to noitce 3 or 4 disks	[14:53]
staticsafe	yep	[14:53]
mercutio	i used to use 4 disk raid at home, it's kind of annoying/intrusive but it was pretty fast so now i'm doing raid on ssd with small disks and just not storing too much at home with one backup hard-disk so at least my important data can be on raid one cool thing about ssd's is it's easier to do backups because it forces people not to store too much data in one place	[14:53]
staticsafe	heh true	[14:55]
m0unds	yeah, makes it a lot easier to use time machine hahaha	[14:55]
mercutio	and i have some files i access remotely and they're on hdd raid far away from me other thing i noticed is 2.5" hard-disks tend to be quieter	[14:55]
staticsafe	indeed	[14:57]
mercutio	so i was thinking about raiding 2.5" hard-disks	[14:57]
m0unds	like sas disks?	[14:57]
mercutio	nah	[14:57]
m0unds	or like notebook disks	[14:57]
mercutio	like 7.2k laptop hard-disks they also have high latency often though	[14:57]
m0unds	and higher than avg failure rates	[14:58]
mercutio	yeah	[14:58]
m0unds	if they're on 24/7	[14:58]
mercutio	hence i only thought about it	[14:58]
m0unds	yeah, haha	[14:58]
mercutio	you can get 7mm ones the same size as ssd's it's insane when you think about it sas disks aren't normally that thin	[14:58]
m0unds	all that mechanical stuff in that small of a chassis pretty wacky	[14:58]
mercutio	ssd's are actually in oversized cases atm even when they 7mm ;/	[14:59]
m0unds	yea, they're tiny	[14:59]
mercutio	if you see pictures of people who have opened them up	[14:59]
m0unds	those little msata ones are funny	[15:00]
mercutio	yeah	[15:00]
m0unds	http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4733093869193817&pid=1.7 err wasn't sure if that link would work but it does	[15:00]
mercutio	it said bing i assumed it was a mistaake	[15:01]
brycec	haha	[15:01]
mercutio	haha yeh was that mastaa http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2013-07-25/130721-132916-7.65.jpg ahh yeh it is but see even the normal ssd's you buy are smalleer than the case	[15:01]
brycec	shit man, that's 1TB... yep	[15:02]
mercutio	yeah they're hell expensive but out there i'd go for 3x500gb in raid 5 over 1tb i'm doing 3x120 in raid10 and raidz	[15:03]
brycec	mercutio: I'd just thought "gee, look at all that room if they wanted to stuff it with more flash, make it a 1TB... oh, it already is"	[15:04]
mercutio	haha i think 500gb is more popular	[15:06]
m0unds	m0unds doesn't use google :P typically use duckduckgo, but image searching goes to bing via !bimages bang syntax @ ddg	[15:07]
mercutio	duckduckgo?	[15:07]
m0unds	https://duckduckgo.com https://duckduckgo.com/goodies	[15:08]
mercutio	it's on amazon i wouldn't count on it not being tracked	[15:08]
m0unds	i wouldn't suggest that it being on ec2 means it's being tracked	[15:09]
mercutio	it may be	[15:09]
m0unds	i doubt it	[15:09]
mercutio	it's shared storage by a company that is into tracking	[15:09]
m0unds	at any rate not why i use it	[15:09]
mercutio	ahh ok	[15:09]
m0unds	https://duck.co/help/company/architecture http://highscalability.com/blog/2013/1/28/duckduckgo-architecture-1-million-deep-searches-a-day-and-gr.html if you're curious	[15:14]
mercutio	that is interetsing dunno why they use amazon though :/	[15:19]
m0unds	why wouldn't they?	[15:20]
mercutio	low network speeds bad routing high cost low performance	[15:20]
m0unds	hasn't been my experience at all with aws well architected stuff will run well on aws	[15:20]
mercutio	maybe network speeds are good for you, but id on't get good speeds to amazon singapore, amazon east coast, amazon ireland? for some reason lots of stuff is on amazon east coast, and lots of ti tends to be slow	[15:21]
m0unds	that's the default region, iirc	[15:22]
mercutio	and benchmarks clearly show the performance is worse than real machines	[15:22]
m0unds	but, like i said: 16:20:01 m0unds \| well architected stuff will run well on aws if you have global reach, architect like you have global reach not like you have users in the US and nowhere else	[15:22]
mercutio	i had a friend with amazon, and his disk performance and cpu performance were shocking	[15:22]
m0unds	was he using ebs?	[15:22]
mercutio	they throttle disk i/o apparently no idea he had a local hard-disk and ubuntu	[15:22]
m0unds	if io sucked, it was probably ebs	[15:22]
mercutio	and ssh was sluggish	[15:23]
m0unds	ebs isn't intended to be used like that, but lots of people treat ec2 compute instances like VPS'	[15:23]
mercutio	oh ok yeah he was treating it like a vps	[15:23]
m0unds	EBS is like network storage it's not actually in the host so IOPS are generally pretty awful	[15:23]
mercutio	he did get some boost by upgrading to higher plan i told him he should just get vps :/	[15:24]
m0unds	yea, if your app isn't gonna need to scale a ton, it makes more sense to get some semblence of dedicated resources	[15:25]
mercutio	lots of people that want to use amazon dont' seme to consider other options	[15:25]
m0unds	yea, they have a lot of mindshare http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/AmazonEBS.html	[15:25]
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mercutio	With Amazon EBS provisioned IOPS (input/output operations per second) volumes, you can provision a specific level of I/O performance, up to 4000 IOPS per volume. he was way under 4000 iops i'd estimate more like 20 to 30	[15:26]
m0unds	micro instance maybe? dunno	[15:26]
mercutio	yeah i think it was micro	[15:27]
m0unds	at any rate, the point is that storage is independent of the compute instance	[15:27]
mercutio	and he went to small it was unsable for casual use it had 768mb of ram i think	[15:27]
m0unds	ah	[15:27]
mercutio	and he went to 1.7gb?	[15:27]
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mercutio	not sure on numbers exact, but it was werid numbers :/ that said i'm on 768mb on arp 1.7 seems to beee small where's micro oh 0.615gb	[15:27]
toddf	so I hope this is not too far off topic, but I think its worth mentioning .. arpnetworks is the best vps hosting provider I've encountered to date. yet, anybody who aims to be highly available knows you can't put all your eggs in one basket. thus, I've found https://my.iniz.com/aff.php?aff=289 as another basket to put some eggs in. (yes thats a referral link). can't beat roughly $20 USD/year for 256mb/250gb xfer/10gb disk kvm vps ... ... .. but they've no serial console, no secure vnc option, no ssh menu option, no /48 of IPv6 (you get 1 address). fwiw.	[15:35]
mercutio	solusvm?	[15:36]
toddf	I've seen that term. what exactly does it mean?	[15:36]
m0unds	vps management thingie	[15:36]
mercutio	it's a control panel with security issues and haphazard development most vps providers that aren't doing custom stuff are using it	[15:36]
m0unds	it can only assign multiple single ipv6 addrs rather than contiguous blocks, iirc	[15:37]
mercutio	it's vnc is exposed to the world as well and they use centos and they've had actual security issues befeore and their mysql database is messy but it's like $10/month per server so it's "cheap" for the provider like i imagine up_the_irons has put MANY hours into doing his control panel	[15:37]
toddf	heh. like I said 'best'. there are many security things at arpnetworks I'm happy with. one switch taking out all my vps systems for the better part of today makes me want _something_ to show signs of life elsewhere.	[15:38]
mercutio	yeah i just recommend to stay away from solusvm if you can if you care about your data etc	[15:39]
m0unds	toddf: yeah, gotcha	[15:39]
mercutio	you seem to have more network problems than most toddf	[15:39]
m0unds	i don't run any critical stuff anymore, just personal crap mostly	[15:39]
toddf	mercutio: I am on the test 1gbps ports, granted	[15:39]
mercutio	maybe you should shift back :)	[15:40]
toddf	I consider it a kick in the pants that all eggs in one basket is bad period.	[15:40]
m0unds	toddf: did you get your net stuff from earlier sorted out?	[15:40]
toddf	m0unds: yes, up_the_irons kicked the switch that had all the 1gbps ports and it booted up fine mercutio: 'if I care about my data' aka .. solusvm is like putting a bitcoin wallet on a windows server on the net, expect it to be r00ted soon? ;-)	[15:40]
mercutio	kind of	[15:41]
m0unds	haha, windows is reasonably secure if you're not a dummy	[15:41]
mercutio	i'm not aware of anything happeniing yet	[15:41]
m0unds	not since the last big exploit thing last year?	[15:41]
mercutio	but basically it's reasonably likely that in the not too distant future someone will find an exploit for solusvm that gives them root and can go into all servers, or put trojans in servers automatically and reboot :/ but the same as any problem if you're not a normal target, then you'll probably find them just trying to doos or irc fromy our host if they get into it	[15:42]
toddf	mercutio: I'm planning on having 2ndary dns and perhaps some mx traffic but .. humm .. if only secure vnc or spice were possible so I could have secure access to console I'd just setup cryptoraid and require me to enter the password everytime I rebooted	[15:44]
mercutio	hmm why don't you just run backup at home?	[15:44]
toddf	I'm trying to get servers away from my home office. at least temporarily. need to re-org and redo.	[15:45]
mercutio	ahh well it up to you :) i'm hestitant about dns	[15:45]
toddf	well, I have home business, but if any of my 3 public ip systems reboots, I have to reboot the cablemodem and ping a v4 address for them all to have internet access. that's not reliable for hosting ;-(	[15:46]
mercutio	beacues if someone exploits your dns then they can put huge stupid long ttl''sgoing to wrong locations	[15:46]
m0unds	yea, that's been happening more and more	[15:46]
mercutio	but again if you're not a target that is unlikely to happen maybe i just paranoid :)	[15:46]
m0unds	well, what sucks is that it's hard to know whether you're gonna be a big target or not	[15:46]
toddf	I think you've made some very valid points.	[15:46]
m0unds	like that dude who had a short twitter id - personally, no one cared about him or his blogs or work or whatever	[15:47]
mercutio	yeah i just think people should know the risks it's ok to know the risks and still take risks	[15:47]
toddf	I'll just not put my bitcoin exchange reflector on the iniz vps then .. ;-)	[15:47]
mercutio	m0unds: oh yeh that was scary godaddy ftw	[15:47]
m0unds	yeah, hahaha but it's one of those risks that you juts don't really directly consider til you read about it	[15:47]
mercutio	oh i'd considered it many times just like stealing bgp routes it's not like it's a new problem it probably doesn't help that i was aware that phone hacking was big in years gone by	[15:48]
m0unds	new vector for a problem	[15:48]
mercutio	and that often that could involve things like "social engineering"	[15:49]
m0unds	well, that part of it is 30 years in the making	[15:49]
mercutio	beforep eople really had security policies didn't hotmail.com's dns expire once? and someone else paid it? http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-234907.html ok i didn't reailse it was in '99 now i feel old haha read the comment	[15:49]
toddf	yes hotmails dns did expire and the check for reimbursement from hotmail got auctioned off for charity iirc	[15:52]
mercutio	oh so they did reimburse	[15:53]
brycec	orly? lolol	[16:02]
mercutio	$500 still tyring to find out how much the auction went for	[16:03]
m0unds	http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-236181.html	[16:05]
mercutio	ahh $7100 quite a bit	[16:06]
m0unds	yea	[16:06]
mercutio	and i assume that was worth more in 99 oh '99 was before the crash?	[16:06]
brycec	Yes. And when Hotmail was still on FreeBSD	[16:07]
mercutio	hoh windows 2000 eww	[16:07]
m0unds	https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%247100+1999+dollars+today (!wolfram bang syntax via ddg, haha)	[16:07]
brycec	@wa $7100 1999 dollars today :P	[16:07]
BryceBot	$7100 (1999 US dollars) in 2014;$10120 (2014 US dollars), (based on Consumer Price Index);2.39% per year;42.56%	[16:08]
brycec	oh btw @ddg cats	[16:08]
BryceBot	Cats: Together with BZN, they were key figures of what came to be called the Palingsound, an umbrella for artists residing in Volendam. [Related] Cat Meanings http://duckduckgo.com/d/Cat?kp=%2D1 [Related] Cats (musical), an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical http://duckduckgo.com/Cats_(musical)?kp=%2D1	[16:08]
m0unds	hah	[16:08]
mercutio	oh that's damn cool	[16:09]
brycec	it's (@ddg) surprisingly limited :)	[16:09]
mercutio	@wa $7100 1929 dollars today	[16:10]
BryceBot	$7100 (1929 US dollars) in 2014;$98270 (2014 US dollars), (based on Consumer Price Index);3.14% per year;13.84 ×	[16:10]
brycec	@ddg how do I banana?	[16:10]
BryceBot	brycec: I'm sorry, the DDG Zero-Click API returned no results. As this is a Zero-click Info API, most deep queries (non topic names) will be blank. Quite frankly, I suck cocks.	[16:10]
m0unds	hahahah	[16:11]
brycec	It's worth pointing out that it was passport.com that expired, not hotmail.com	[16:12]
m0unds	i wonder how long ago they phased that out the live.com stuff still exists, and it's mostly gone	[16:19]
up_the_irons	mercutio: AS 11799 is The BGP Collective, which we turned up several months ago	[16:32]
m0unds	such a funny name haha	[16:33]
staticsafe	is the BGP Collective anything like the Borg collective? :)	[16:33]
m0unds	yeah, lol	[16:33]
staticsafe	RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL PEER WITH US.	[16:34]
m0unds	we will...add your network distinctiveness to our own?	[16:35]
up_the_irons	mercutio: yeah, there was a reason I put in TONS AND TONS of hours into my own control pane, which is to provide something nobody else has. i had a theory that people can smell a copy-cat, and I didn't want to be that	[16:35]
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brycec	It may not be "pretty" or shiny, but ARP's control panel is definitely useful and unique. :)	[16:38]
staticsafe	^	[16:39]
up_the_irons	brycec: staticsafe : ty!!! :)	[16:42]
brycec	It definitely feels "better" to have a homegrown control panel. You're not "some guy" who just bought a license for SolusVM or whatever and is running this in his spare time. You're comitted and you really do work on it. go up_the_irons !	[16:43]
up_the_irons	brycec: yeah that's exactly what I was thinking too. i didn't want to feel like a reseller. one day i want to migrate it to a nice Bootstrap admin template, then it'll have some polish too!	[16:44]
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m0unds	http://imgur.com/SNq98Rx	[17:33]
mercutio	up_the_irons: oh, i thikn you had direct routes before? maybe it's part of the migiration i think it's going via the new router now brycec: i have more faith in a bad cp homegrown than the average solusvm host at least they must know what they're doing a bit to get the cp going for a moment once i thought it'd be cool to try making my own cp and try and sell it like solusvm then i remembered who the customer base would be	[17:36]
m0unds	lol	[17:46]
mercutio	i would like to see things done better everywhere but it's complicated anyway, it's the support system needing top level posting, which is my biggest gripe, rather than anything about cp or anything but that's not a huge deal	[17:47]
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up_the_irons	mercutio: direct routes b4?	[18:47]
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mercutio	i don't remember seeing that other ip in there i think it just went via s1? to any2ix maybe ip just changed or reverse changed and so looks diff	[19:50]
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up_the_irons	mercutio: ASN 11799 also has Any2 peers, some of which I don't have, so that's where that hop comes from	[22:05]
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mercutio	ahh ok well at least it's working again	[22:29]
	(there's a general ntt issue effecting me, but not from arp, cos arp is going via any2ix) forward path is via ntt and seems fine. weirdly arp seems fine weird oh it came right anyhway	[22:37]
brycec	*affecting	[22:40]
mercutio	heh	[22:41]
brycec	brycec tips is grammar nazi hat	[22:42]
mercutio	s/is/his/	[22:42]
BryceBot	>>> brycec tips his grammar nazi hat	[22:42]
brycec	bah typo	[22:45]
acf_	seems like there is some sort of issue between Verizon and NTT http://paste.unixcube.org/k/1d1fd7	[22:50]
mercutio	i'm not going verizon<->at&t and sitll hitting issues i think it's a ntt issue and is it still happening	[22:51]
acf_	NTT says no	[22:51]
mercutio	i've seen multiple different ntt issues recently	[22:51]
acf_	"We are not seeing any packet loss within our network."	[22:51]
mercutio	haha	[22:51]
acf_	it sure looks like it though	[22:51]
mercutio	on diff providers, at diff times it may be something like link aggregation with one link having issues	[22:51]
acf_	yeah. it sure is annoying though	[22:52]
mercutio	well that traceroute suggests reverse path issue can you get the reverse path traceroute? basically because it goes 3.7% to 0 to 3.6% to 3.2% the fact it was fine from one point in the middle, and the numbers are diff enough suggetss enough samples to suggest it's sending in other direction being problematic and like i had find traces to arp over ntt with any2ix return path but some bad routes to other destinations coming back over ntt for at least one of them (hard to check reverse path with random destinations)	[22:52]
acf_	the reverse: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/67f9a6	[22:54]
mercutio	hmm may need more traces	[22:54]
acf_	also, to ntt.net from Verizon: http://paste.unixcube.org/k/3f3b0	[22:54]
mercutio	err longer trace but it gusggests that it's fine when it comes into ntt at least	[22:54]
acf_	looks like the return path changes in Dallas	[22:54]
mercutio	and that it's strugglign either within ntt or ntt to verizon one test i find useful is iperf in udp mode and doing both directions often you'll see only one directino having packet loss	[22:55]
acf_	I'll try that	[22:55]
mercutio	usually i do 2 megabit small packet size	[22:55]

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