jbergstroem: ah ok Anyone tried FreeBSD 10 on ARP yet? yep any problems? nope 10.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014 root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 ZFS or UFS? ufs I was thinking of doing ZFS so I could snapshot and send/receive to backup my VPS to my home storage box yea, that'd be nice. i was worried performance would suck, so i just continue running backup scripts yeah, I'm concerned about stability. ZFS likes RAM, and my VPS doesn't have much :) yeah, that too mine was also an upgrade from 9.2 --> 10.0, so i would have had to wipe doh I'm still on 8.2 I should probably upgrade to 8.4 at least i tried to do ZFS inside a 1024MB vbox VM and the installer died because OOM oops :P haha twobithacker: Heck, I've got ZFS on a 4GB D520 box at home and that sucks. Stick to 8+. allegedly 1GB/TB and from what I've read about how much RAM dedup wants, get yourself a Data Domain box if dedup is that important. and Georgia has been cancelled due to snow. Yay. snow? what's that? (this has been a really warm winter here) haha, louisiana too friends in LA both have their workplaces closed due to "ice" time for daiquiris. 40 wrecks an hour in Austin according to Jalopnik. also http://jalopnik.com/atlantas-roads-are-a-frozen-hellscape-of-abandoned-car-1511436009 how embarrassing haha I've got good tread, 4WD, and actual knowledge of how to drive, but I'm staying at home because I'm sure some ass will be freestyling and T-bone me. yeah s/4/A/ but whatever, doesn't really matter pity I didn't borrow an M35 from the motor pool. i just toss 250lbs of playground sand bags in the bed of my truck Not that they'd let me. (the truck, not the Nissan) anyone else just get an email from Apress? vbvhgvhg BUY OUR BOOKS Use promo code MKJKJH by MM/DD/YY. I'm happy to say that I live in the Pacific Northwest, where people expect snow (and have been deprived of it this winter). 3" fell overnight, yay! :D (only took 30 minutes to clear the snow off my car, and 25 minutes for the 7 mile commute) (well closer to 20 minutes to drive I guess) I'm installing Arch in a VBox (Gentoo host) just to see what the new installation is like, and I'm going to admit to you all: I'm pissed off, but not for the reasons you might think. I'm just sitting here watching pacstrap do its thing and I think to myself: "How much time have I wasted compiling?" So Now I'm sad. hahaha thanks enjoy lol just be sure you're dilligent w/reading docs before updates I'll probably end up moving over to Arch today/tomorrow or you'll be sad I thought I remembered that Gentoo switched to stage3 and mostly binary stuffs? m0unds: That's the one thing I REALLY like about Gentoo.. I'll get news updates in the terminal before I update to let me know about updating certain packages. they're generally good about announcing potentially painful changes to stuff on their boards Yep, always read the notices. They aren't frequent, but important stuff like "migrating to systemd, all others are doomed" or whatnot yeah, arch will do that too depending on the gravity of the change And website. At least, that's my source (RSS) aye (or maybe it's just email)\ people just tend to ignore the warning and then cry when their system breaks (not saying you'd do that, but there are people out there who do) yeah I can imagine tl;dr people are stupid. <.< >.> yep i ran arch on a personal project server for a year and didn't have any issues with it Im honestly just doing the VBox thing to make sure I can use Arch's installer without killing my /home partition. hacked gitlab to run on it, did some other stuff, decided i just don't really care too much for linux so i'm back on bsd heh man cat I'm seriously upset at how quick pacman is hahaha Really? I get perturbed at how slow it is. <.< >.> :| I honestly think pacman might be the quickest binary package manager I've ever used j/k, somewhat. Doing huge upgrades that fail because some package key isn't installed yet, so I have to --ignore the package until archlinux-keyring is updated, and rerun the whole thing 2 or 3 times... Then it gets annoying. well phlux: Seriously?? Faster than pkg_add (any variant therein) brycec: I actually haven't used pkg_add in years, so I can't speak for that one. I haven't used pkg_add since like... FreeBSD 4.3? Well it boils down to ftp $path/tar -x Can't get much slicker/quicker than that haha well that's true brycec: I was in the PNW. If I leave my current employer I'll probably move to Seattle. Well the coast is a different kind of stupid when it comes to snow and ice :p better coffee than anywhere, more affordable housing than CA, absolutely zero blue laws, legal gambling and weed but I'd probably just do it once to say I've done it But here in the Inland Empire (stupid name) people are more accustomed to snow. if that when I see "Inland Empire" I think of Bakersfield. not Bend. Bend is hardly "inland" Inland Empire here refers to Spokane, Coeur d'Alene, Moscow, Lewiston. That sort of thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Northwest_(United_States) ah, more inland Inland Northwest (United States) :: The Inland Northwest also known as the Inland Empire, is a region in the Pacific Northwest centered on Spokane, Washington, including the surrounding Columbia River basin and all of North Idaho. Included in the region are the counties of: Washington Adams, Asotin, Benton, Chelan, Columbia, Douglas, Ferry, Franklin, Garfield, Grant, Kittitas, Klickitat, Lincoln, Okanogan, Pend Oreille, Spokane, Stevens, Walla Apparently, Oregon isn't even a part of it. Behind the Iron Curtain, yay know a bunch of people who went to UI. So Kittitas is in but Yakima isn't? okay, it is Yakima is... just cut off (IRC messages are limited to 420 characters or so... ) we should all upgrade to XMPP too much inertia (Also note that "Walla Walla" was cut in half :p) Has anyone running FBSD10 switched to virtio disk/network controllers? and looks like my shift tonight is cancelled due to OMG SNOW time to figure out Clojure and play with kitty. damn, heat pumps do not like below-freezing temperatures. not much heat left in that http://www.facefault.org/heatpump.png need thorium reactors already. You cannot change the laws of physics! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle Carnot cycle :: The Carnot cycle is a theoretical thermodynamic cycle proposed by Nicolas Léonard Sadi Carnot in 1823 and expanded by in the 1830s and 1840s. It can be shown that it is the most efficient cycle for converting a given amount of thermal energy into work, or conversely, creating a temperature difference (e.g. refrigeration) by doing a given amount of work. Every single thermodynamic system exists in a particular state. When... warned a customer of /48 link-local "difficulty" and the response was, "Red pill prepared. Please continue." _AWESOME best response yet to that... hahaha lol Now I feel bad for not having a snappy line yeah, me too I didn't know I should have a snappy something *sigh* *sigh* todays good deed was to replace my old++ Compaq Deskpro with a Via C7 based machine :) haha snappy lines not required :) it only routes packet to my garage :) had to replace OpenBSD with linux :( :( w00t and the /48 works fine new hardware wasn't openbsd friendly :( but, i get to play with nftables nftables the new sauce? does nftables's configration interface suck less than iptables? wouldn't be hard. up_the_irons: yes iptables is horrible yeah that's why I use ferm iptables-save > file && vi file && iptables-restore overlays imo well, if i was forced to use linux on a desktop, i'd rather use binaries I think eselect is something I'll miss Being able to swap from python2 to 3 on the fly via eselect is pretty nice and 'eselect news' is pretty great, too I'll be doing that 10.0 dance in a few weeks pretty uneventful upgrade (just the way i like them) i hate funroll-loops it makes most code go slower pacman is insanely fast i find i always used to find apt-get slow where it takes longer to install packages than to download htem phlux: do it, use Arch. Just do it. Use Arch, man. 16:43:35 < phlux> I need someone to talk me in to using Arch instead of Gentoo i meant funroll-loops in the most ricer-like way possible lol oh right just lost connectivity to VPS. Interesting. just on IPv4 that's weird oh, it rebooted nothing in the logs savecore: reboot after panic: page fault only using 14M/1023M swap I'll have to get sar started Using any swap at all? Ew :p could've been because I had built world tonight the swap part, anyhow not the panic and this is a 1G RAM VPS, so that's really the most RAM-intensive thing it will ever do oh you're doing a ton of compiling Yamazaki-kun: with the advent of freebsd-update, why build world? (I didn't scroll up, pardon me if someone else asked) well, the idea was to get CTF in so I could dtrace later if I wanted kind of a PITA, really. next time I'm setting up jails I'll grab the txzs from the install set ah. figures. something screwy with the routing I'm trying to do. good news: the arch installer supports my wifi out of the box and yay, managed some sort of image corruption. Reinstall! and I'll stick to a more straightforward jail configuration. Is this iso like a net install? FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso sounds like it phlux: sweet also, congrats haha, haven't made the jump just yet :P doing some backups first was just gonna ask if that meant you'd decided I pretty much have I'm going to go through with it. If worse comes to worse, I'm familiar enough with Gentoo installation to just come back. YOU CAN DO IT m0unds: imo, one attractive benefit with gentoo is when wanting to run stuff like nginx or collectd (or any other binary that has optional modules) you can actually just use what you need, not 200 extra packages well there's that and you can mask future packages example: someone on the Gentoo forums had an old printer that only worked with cups 1.5 and below. When 1.6 came out, he masked it, and was able to carry on with 1.5. Arch, at the time, shipped with 1.6, and he had to manually compile cups 1.5 in order to use it. I've always wondered what Arch users do when the kernel updates via pacman and it breaks support for their wifi or something Do you just deal with it? Manually compile the old kernel? keep backups of the previous kernel jbergstroem: i can do that with bsd and never use gentoo staticsafe: Is it simple to just 'roll back' to the previous kernel with pacman? I assume the package is still sitting in a local directory somewhere m0unds: but then you'd have to manage packages, dependencies (and upgrades) manually, right? no m0unds: talking about fbsd ports here? sure yep portage > bsd ports imho HAHAHAHAHA I agree much better management system m0unds: without sounding like a smart-ass, it is a bit more sophisticated sure anyway, not the place or time for a good ol distribution/os bikeshed disucssion conceptually, it's probably better because it's based on ports, but unsophisticated package management doesn't really break my heart and it's newer* ^ + based on ports portage? seriously? i honestly wouldn't know, as the only time i've used gentoo was 12 years ago i'll just keep ports + portmaster and not worry, haha yeah oh, apparently vimage failing with pf is a known thing oh? any irssi users here who have run into weirdness with irssi needing a /redraw pretty regularly? might give weechat a shot - not sure if it's irssi or my terminal screwing up, but i've sent stuff to the wrong channel like 3 different times today. ugh. pacman.conf features exclusions (masking), down to the version number 20:21:31 < phlux> I've always wondered what Arch users do when the kernel updates via pacman and it breaks support for their wifi or something phlux: and yes, unless you've cleaned the cache, you can pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux... m0unds: never needed to /redraw... Didn't even know it was a thing. (I generally Ctrl-L for redraw) ah, gotcha really odd though, wonder if maybe it's my aircard connection at work (was having to work from the server room) mosh? yeah, used mosh earlier in the day, but had issues and switched to just regular ssh issue was happening on ssh hm, yup no idea probably just crappy verizon gaffling packets I've never had issues with irssi. pretty snappy connection too given that's running off my Bitfolk VPS. anyone know what ntp.conf parameter I use to tell it to stop trying to bind to everything and bind to only what I tell it to bind to? found it -- for some reason FreeBSD ships with ntpd 4.2.4 and you need .6