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[02:38] <up_the_irons> jbergstroem: ah ok
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[06:54] <twobithacker> Anyone tried FreeBSD 10 on ARP yet?
[06:54] <m0unds_> yep
[06:54] <twobithacker> any problems?
[06:55] <m0unds> nope
[06:55] <m0unds> 10.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014     root@snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
[06:55] <twobithacker> ZFS or UFS?
[06:55] <m0unds> ufs
[06:55] <twobithacker> I was thinking of doing ZFS so I could snapshot and send/receive to backup my VPS to my home storage box
[06:55] <m0unds> yea, that'd be nice. i was worried performance would suck, so i just continue running backup scripts
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[06:56] <twobithacker> yeah, I'm concerned about stability. ZFS likes RAM, and my VPS doesn't have much :)
[06:56] <m0unds> yeah, that too
[06:57] <m0unds> mine was also an upgrade from 9.2 --> 10.0, so i would have had to wipe
[06:58] <m0unds> doh
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[07:05] <twobithacker> I'm still on 8.2
[07:05] <twobithacker> I should probably upgrade to 8.4 at least
[07:06] <staticsafe> i tried to do ZFS inside a 1024MB vbox VM and the installer died because OOM
[07:06] <staticsafe> oops :P
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[07:15] <m0unds_> haha
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[08:14] <Yamazaki-kun> twobithacker: Heck, I've got ZFS on a 4GB D520 box at home and that sucks. Stick to 8+.
[08:15] <Yamazaki-kun> allegedly 1GB/TB and from what I've read about how much RAM dedup wants, get yourself a Data Domain box if dedup is that important.
[08:15] <Yamazaki-kun> and Georgia has been cancelled due to snow. Yay.
[08:17] <ant> snow? what's that? (this has been a really warm winter here)
[08:20] <m0unds> haha, louisiana too
[08:21] <m0unds> friends in LA both have their workplaces closed due to "ice"
[08:22] <Yamazaki-kun> time for daiquiris.
[08:23] <Yamazaki-kun> 40 wrecks an hour in Austin according to Jalopnik.
[08:24] <Yamazaki-kun> also http://jalopnik.com/atlantas-roads-are-a-frozen-hellscape-of-abandoned-car-1511436009
[08:24] <m0unds> how embarrassing
[08:24] <m0unds> haha
[08:26] <Yamazaki-kun> I've got good tread, 4WD, and actual knowledge of how to drive, but I'm staying at home because I'm sure some ass will be freestyling and T-bone me.
[08:26] <m0unds> yeah
[08:26] <Yamazaki-kun> s/4/A/ but whatever, doesn't really matter
[08:27] <Yamazaki-kun> pity I didn't borrow an M35 from the motor pool.
[08:27] <m0unds> i just toss 250lbs of playground sand bags in the bed of my truck
[08:27] <Yamazaki-kun> Not that they'd let me.
[08:27] <Yamazaki-kun> (the truck, not the Nissan)
[08:31] <Yamazaki-kun> anyone else just get an email from Apress?
[08:31] <Yamazaki-kun> vbvhgvhg
[08:31] <Yamazaki-kun> BUY OUR BOOKS
[08:31] <Yamazaki-kun> Use promo code MKJKJH by MM/DD/YY.
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[09:15] <brycec> I'm happy to say that I live in the Pacific Northwest, where people expect snow (and have been deprived of it this winter). 3" fell overnight, yay! :D (only took 30 minutes to clear the snow off my car, and 25 minutes for the 7 mile commute)
[09:15] <brycec> (well closer to 20 minutes to drive I guess)
[09:18] <phlux> I'm installing Arch in a VBox (Gentoo host) just to see what the new installation is like, and I'm going to admit to you all: I'm pissed off, but not for the reasons you might think.
[09:18] <phlux> I'm just sitting here watching pacstrap do its thing
[09:18] <phlux> and I think to myself: "How much time have I wasted compiling?"
[09:18] <phlux> So
[09:18] <phlux> Now I'm sad.
[09:18] <m0unds> hahaha
[09:19] <phlux> thanks
[09:19] <m0unds> enjoy
[09:19] <brycec> lol
[09:19] <m0unds> just be sure you're dilligent w/reading docs before updates
[09:19] <phlux> I'll probably end up moving over to Arch today/tomorrow
[09:19] <m0unds> or you'll be sad
[09:19] <brycec> I thought I remembered that Gentoo switched to stage3 and mostly binary stuffs?
[09:19] <phlux> m0unds: That's the one thing I REALLY like about Gentoo.. I'll get news updates in the terminal before I update to let me know about updating certain packages.
[09:19] <m0unds> they're generally good about announcing potentially painful changes to stuff on their boards
[09:19] <brycec> Yep, always read the notices. They aren't frequent, but important stuff like "migrating to systemd, all others are doomed" or whatnot
[09:20] <m0unds> yeah, arch will do that too depending on the gravity of the change
[09:20] <brycec> And website. At least, that's my source (RSS)
[09:20] <phlux> aye
[09:20] <brycec> (or maybe it's just email)\
[09:20] <m0unds> people just tend to ignore the warning and then cry when their system breaks (not saying you'd do that, but there are people out there who do)
[09:20] <phlux> yeah I can imagine
[09:20] <brycec> tl;dr people are stupid.
[09:20] <brycec> <.<
[09:20] <brycec> >.>
[09:20] <m0unds> yep
[09:21] <m0unds> i ran arch on a personal project server for a year and didn't have any issues with it
[09:21] <phlux> Im honestly just doing the VBox thing to make sure I can use Arch's installer without killing my /home partition.
[09:21] <m0unds> hacked gitlab to run on it, did some other stuff, decided i just don't really care too much for linux so i'm back on bsd
[09:21] <brycec> heh
[09:25] <phlux> man
[09:25] <brycec> cat
[09:25] <phlux> I'm seriously upset at how quick pacman is
[09:25] <m0unds> hahaha
[09:25] <brycec> Really? I get perturbed at how slow it is.
[09:25] <brycec> <.<
[09:25] <brycec> >.>
[09:25] <phlux> :|
[09:26] <phlux> I honestly think pacman might be the quickest binary package manager I've ever used
[09:26] <brycec> j/k, somewhat. Doing huge upgrades that fail because some package key isn't installed yet, so I have to --ignore the package until archlinux-keyring is updated, and rerun the whole thing 2 or 3 times... Then it gets annoying.
[09:26] <phlux> well
[09:26] <brycec> phlux: Seriously?? Faster than pkg_add (any variant therein)
[09:26] <phlux> brycec: I actually haven't used pkg_add in years, so I can't speak for that one.
[09:27] <phlux> I haven't used pkg_add since like... FreeBSD 4.3?
[09:27] <brycec> Well it boils down to ftp $path/tar -x
[09:27] <brycec> Can't get much slicker/quicker than that
[09:27] <phlux> haha
[09:27] <phlux> well
[09:27] <phlux> that's true
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[09:33] <Yamazaki-kun> brycec: I was in the PNW. If I leave my current employer I'll probably move to Seattle.
[09:33] <brycec> Well the coast is a different kind of stupid when it comes to snow and ice :p
[09:34] <Yamazaki-kun> better coffee than anywhere, more affordable housing than CA, absolutely zero blue laws, legal gambling
[09:34] <Yamazaki-kun> and weed but I'd probably just do it once to say I've done it
[09:34] <brycec> But here in the Inland Empire (stupid name) people are more accustomed to snow.
[09:34] <Yamazaki-kun> if that
[09:34] <Yamazaki-kun> when I see "Inland Empire" I think of Bakersfield.
[09:34] <Yamazaki-kun> not Bend.
[09:35] <brycec> Bend is hardly "inland"
[09:35] <brycec> Inland Empire here refers to Spokane, Coeur d'Alene, Moscow, Lewiston. That sort of thing.
[09:36] <brycec> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Northwest_(United_States)
[09:36] <Yamazaki-kun> ah, more inland
[09:36] <BryceBot> Inland Northwest (United States) :: The Inland Northwest also known as the Inland Empire, is a region in the Pacific Northwest centered on Spokane, Washington, including the surrounding Columbia River basin and all of North Idaho.  Included in the region are the counties of:  Washington  Adams, Asotin, Benton, Chelan, Columbia, Douglas, Ferry, Franklin, Garfield, Grant, Kittitas, Klickitat, Lincoln, Okanogan, Pend Oreille, Spokane, Stevens, Walla
[09:36] <brycec> Apparently, Oregon isn't even a part of it.
[09:36] <Yamazaki-kun> Behind the Iron Curtain, yay
[09:37] <Yamazaki-kun> know a bunch of people who went to UI.
[09:37] <Yamazaki-kun> So Kittitas is in but Yakima isn't?
[09:38] <Yamazaki-kun> okay, it is
[09:38] <brycec> Yakima is...
[09:38] <Yamazaki-kun> just cut off
[09:38] <brycec> (IRC messages are limited to 420 characters or so... )
[09:38] <Yamazaki-kun> we should all upgrade to XMPP
[09:38] <Yamazaki-kun> too much inertia
[09:38] <brycec> (Also note that "Walla Walla" was cut in half :p)
[09:52] <Yamazaki-kun> Has anyone running FBSD10 switched to virtio disk/network controllers?
[09:53] <Yamazaki-kun> and looks like my shift tonight is cancelled due to OMG SNOW
[09:53] <Yamazaki-kun> time to figure out Clojure and play with kitty.
[10:00] <Yamazaki-kun> damn, heat pumps do not like below-freezing temperatures.
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[10:04] <RandalSchwartz> not much heat left in that
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[10:09] <Yamazaki-kun> http://www.facefault.org/heatpump.png
[10:09] <Yamazaki-kun> need thorium reactors already.
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[10:13] <RandalSchwartz> You cannot change the laws of physics! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle
[10:14] <BryceBot> Carnot cycle :: The Carnot cycle is a theoretical thermodynamic cycle proposed by Nicolas Léonard Sadi Carnot in 1823 and expanded by in the 1830s and 1840s. It can be shown that it is the most efficient cycle for converting a given amount of thermal energy into work, or conversely, creating a temperature difference (e.g. refrigeration) by doing a given amount of work.  Every single thermodynamic system exists in a particular state. When...
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[10:46] <up_the_irons> warned a customer of /48 link-local "difficulty" and the response was, "Red pill prepared. Please continue."
[10:46] <up_the_irons> _AWESOME
[10:46] <up_the_irons> best response yet to that...
[10:46] <m0unds> hahaha
[10:51] <brycec> lol
[10:51] <brycec> Now I feel bad for not having a snappy line
[10:51] <m0unds> yeah, me too
[10:52] <brycec> I didn't know I should have a snappy something
[10:52] <brycec> *sigh*
[10:52] <BryceBot> *sigh*
[11:00] <GluffiS> todays good deed was to replace my old++ Compaq Deskpro with a Via C7 based machine :)
[11:00] <up_the_irons> haha
[11:01] <up_the_irons> snappy lines not required
[11:01] <GluffiS> :)
[11:01] <GluffiS> it only routes packet to my garage :)
[11:03] <GluffiS> had to replace OpenBSD with linux :(
[11:06] <brycec> :(
[11:06] <Yamazaki-kun> w00t
[11:07] <Yamazaki-kun> and the /48 works fine
[11:07] <GluffiS> new hardware wasn't openbsd friendly :( but, i get to play with nftables
[11:08] <up_the_irons> nftables the new sauce?
[11:08] <Yamazaki-kun> does nftables's configration interface  suck less than iptables?
[11:08] <Yamazaki-kun> wouldn't be hard.
[11:13] <GluffiS> up_the_irons: yes
[11:13] <GluffiS> iptables is horrible
[11:20] <up_the_irons> yeah that's why I use ferm
[11:21] * brycec uses ufw on his l00nix boxes
[11:28] <GluffiS> iptables-save > file && vi file && iptables-restore <file
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[11:34] <brycec> but tools like ufw keeps me out of iptables syntax entirely
[11:42] <m0unds> yeah, ufw is alright
[11:42] <m0unds> luckily, i just replaced all my stuff with bsd so i never see iptables, evar
[11:48] <RandalSchwartz> pf rocks
[11:48] <RandalSchwartz> which bsd
[11:50] <brycec> <3 pf
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[12:57] <Yamazaki-kun> Is anyone here using vimage jails other than to run Linux?
[12:57] <Yamazaki-kun> Does it get me anything for a routing jail?
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[13:24] <mercutio> is nftables able to be used yet?
[13:24] <mercutio> it would be nice to have pf on linux
[13:24] <mercutio> i use ferm on linux too
[13:24] <mercutio> although i got lost figuring out how to disable connectino tracking again :/
[13:24] <m0unds> i was really used to ipfw, but i use pf now that it's the default on freebsd
[13:24] <mercutio> apparently it's changed now
[13:25] <mercutio> pf is the default on freebsd?
[13:25] <m0unds> it was on 9.2
[13:25] <mercutio> i thought ipfw as default on freebsd 9
[13:25] <m0unds> dunno about before that, it'd been a while since i rolled a new box
[13:25] <mercutio> maybe it might change for 10 i thought cos they doing the smp work
[13:25] * m0unds shrugs
[13:25] <m0unds> it was default on 9.2
[13:25] <mercutio> cool.
[13:25] <mercutio> i use it on freebsd 9.2
[13:25] <mercutio> but it needes a module loaded
[13:25] <mercutio> which doesn't seem very default to me
[13:26] <m0unds> Since FreeBSD 5.3, a ported version of OpenBSD's PF firewall has been included as an integrated part of the base system.
[13:26] <m0unds> so..that long, i guess
[13:27] <m0unds> ipfw is still there and the module's only loaded when you pass "firewall_enable="YES"" in rc.conf
[13:31] <phlux> brycec: around?
[13:33] <brycec> somewhat. at lunchbon my phone.
[13:33] <Yamazaki-kun> pf isn't loaded by default
[13:33] <Yamazaki-kun> have to edit rc.conf
[13:33] <Yamazaki-kun> in 10 still
[13:35] <m0unds> yea, i meant it was included, but forgot about how to invoke ipfw
[13:35] <m0unds> either way, modules are there for both
[13:35] <phlux> brycec: just hit me up when you get off work and whatnot :P
[13:35] <brycec> sure wont be too long
[13:35] <phlux> roger
[13:36] <brycec> dodger
[13:36] <Yamazaki-kun> sadly, VImage is still a kernel recompile for some reason
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[14:03] <brycec> phlux: oy
[14:04] <up_the_irons> mercutio: disable connection tracking: -A PREROUTING -j NOTRACK
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[14:11] <mercutio> that diodn't work i seem to remember
[14:11] <dne> Yamazaki-kun: freebsd 10 works fine for me w/ virtio drivers
[14:12] <mercutio> is that in filter table?
[14:12] <mercutio> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[14:16] <Yamazaki-kun> w00t
[14:17] <Yamazaki-kun> do you actually notice a performance difference doing normal things?
[14:17] <Yamazaki-kun> and not, say, a super-heavy-use virtualized DB?
[14:18] <dne> I'm new to ARP, and I didn't run it very long before I asked to switch to virtio
[14:19] <brycec> Generally speaking, and this isn't on ARP, but virtio does make a huuuge improvement for disk performance. Simply installing went from 30 minutes to ~2.
[14:19] <up_the_irons> mercutio: oh sorry, table RAW
[14:20] <mercutio> yeh found that
[14:20] <Yamazaki-kun> oh goody
[14:20] <mercutio> #  iptables -t raw -A PREROUTING -s 172.16.0.0/16 -d 172.16.0.0/16 -j NOTRACK
[14:20] <mercutio> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[14:20] <dne> yeah there didn't seem to be much point not using it
[14:21] <mercutio> brycec: maybe it not syncing
[14:21] <mercutio> but yeh virtio can make a diff
[14:21] <mercutio> when i did the beta test with openbsd thing, it was faster as soon as up_the_irons fixed the write cache issue
[14:21] <mercutio> when the write cache was broken it was slower than the old host
[14:22] <up_the_irons> write cache makes a HUGE difference
[14:22] <Yamazaki-kun> submiting ticket, then.
[14:22] <mercutio> yeah
[14:23] <Yamazaki-kun> may as well get that out of the way before I start crazy virtual network config
[14:24] <Yamazaki-kun> and apparently vimage isn't quite good enough for the release engineering team yet. "WARNING: VIMAGE (virtualized network stack) is a highly experimental feature."
[14:24] <Yamazaki-kun> Hopefully by 11.
[14:24] <mercutio> eveything in linux is beta
[14:24] <mercutio> i think redhat started it with shipping beta compilers
[14:24] <Yamazaki-kun> "fast track" if you're on EL
[14:24] <Yamazaki-kun> or "preview"
[14:25] <mercutio> i was thinking normal redhat
[14:25] <Yamazaki-kun> Fedora?
[14:25] <mercutio> before fedora/rhel
[14:25] <Yamazaki-kun> oh
[14:46] <up_the_irons> mercutio: weird man
[14:46] <up_the_irons> $ sudo iptables -nvL -t raw
[14:46] <up_the_irons> Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 754M packets, 490G bytes)
[14:46] <up_the_irons>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[14:46] <up_the_irons>  754M  490G NOTRACK    all  --  *      *       0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
[14:46] <up_the_irons> ...
[14:46] <m0unds> Yamazaki-kun: virtio makes a big difference w/disk latency and network perf
[14:46] <up_the_irons> $
[14:49] <mercutio>  #  iptables -nvL -t raw
[14:49] <mercutio> Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 201K packets, 311M bytes)
[14:49] <mercutio>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[14:49] <mercutio> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 292K packets, 317M bytes)
[14:49] <mercutio>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[14:49] <mercutio> the table is def there
[14:49] <mercutio> yeah it doesn't make any sense
[14:50] <mercutio> i bene trying to google
[14:50] <mercutio> there's a iptrack_raw module that needs to be loaded, but that is loaded
[14:57] <Yamazaki-kun> almost got virtio done - bleepin' serial console cutting me off
[14:57] <mnathani> @tld ae
[14:57] <BryceBot> The top-level domain 'ae' is used for: United Arab Emirates.
[14:58] <mnathani> @cld tv
[14:58] <mnathani> @tld tv
[14:58] <BryceBot> The top-level domain 'tv' is used for: Tuvalu.
[14:59] <Yamazaki-kun> should have the bot say "nominally used"
[14:59] <brycec> lol
[15:01] <m0unds> i really wish i had a cable labeller at work
[15:03] <Yamazaki-kun> I like the Rhino labelers.
[15:04] <Yamazaki-kun> The Brady one seems to be more fragile than it looks
[15:04] <Yamazaki-kun> Specifically, the cartridges are a royal pain.
[15:04] <Yamazaki-kun> I love the self-lamininating labels when the damn thing works, though.
[15:06] <Yamazaki-kun> But without a labeler, how do you deal with five hundred pairs of orange-jacketed single-mode, all alike?
[15:07] <Yamazaki-kun> other than that some will MELT YOUR EYEBALLS OFF, of course.
[15:08] <m0unds> hahaha
[15:08] <m0unds> i'm doing contact alarm termination for an alarm interface
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[15:19] <dne> Yamazaki-kun: saw some serial console weirdness too during my initial setup. it just went dead a few times, and didn't start working until I rebooted the vps.
[15:19] <dne> happened 9.2, before upgrading and then on 10 too I believe
[15:20] <dne> happened on*
[15:22] <Yamazaki-kun> nice to know it's not just me
[15:22] <Yamazaki-kun> now: all the lines run together
[15:22] <Yamazaki-kun> need to reboot with a new terminal window and see if it's something weird on my end
[15:22] <Yamazaki-kun> the dmesg came out like ^M was being sent instead of ^J.
[15:23] <Yamazaki-kun> shit, my 80's knowledge is finally useful.
[15:23] <Yamazaki-kun> okay, not quite true, I've seen far too much Solaris 6 well after 10 came out.
[15:31] <mercutio> apparently 1.2.3.0/24 is going to be opened up as a local dns resolver anycast, that anyone can use
[15:31] <mercutio> so that everyone can have 1.2.3.4 working as a dns resolver :)
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[16:40] <up_the_irons> m0unds: Yamazaki-kun : i have a Rhino one at the data center.  love it.
[16:40] <up_the_irons> being able to do increments / sequences and v / h wrap (with presets for CAT-X, Fiber, COAX, etc...) just can't be beat
[16:41] <up_the_irons> and that's the difference between a $400 labeler and a $30 piece of crap from Staples
[16:44] <phlux> I need someone to talk me in to using Arch instead of Gentoo
[16:44] <phlux> cause right now
[16:44] <phlux> I can't decide wtf I want to do
[16:45] <Yamazaki-kun> I think the Rhino I've got is $200 though
[16:46] <Yamazaki-kun> doesn't do self-laminating but does everything else
[16:46] <Yamazaki-kun> great for load panels, too
[16:46] <Yamazaki-kun> but won't do anything about 208V taking two circuit breakers
[16:47] <Yamazaki-kun> $150, even.
[16:47] <Yamazaki-kun> in the kit with hard case and charger
[16:49] <Yamazaki-kun> oh, my. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828111111&ignorebbr=1 down to $170 for the self-laminating and USB model.
[16:49] <BryceBot> Dymo Rhino 6000 Industrial Label Printer (1734519) -- $169.99
[16:51] <Yamazaki-kun> F, should have butterflied the chicken breasts.
[16:55] <up_the_irons> that's the one i got
[16:55] <up_the_irons> got mine on sale for $270
[16:55] <up_the_irons> but damn it is even cheaper there
[16:55] <up_the_irons> mine has the hard shell case though
[16:55] <up_the_irons> the case is WELL worth it
[16:55] <up_the_irons> you can store a lot of stuff, like extra cartridges
[17:23] <m0unds> i used a rhino one on loan from our integrator to label all the stuff they missed
[17:23] <m0unds> we need to just order one - right now, i'm just using a tape laminate one (brother p-touch)
[17:24] <m0unds> i hate doing this stuff. fire an alarm pulse, try to find the pair with a multimeter, fire another alarm, repeat
[17:44] <Yamazaki-kun> 2h22m to build world. Wow
[18:04] <mercutio> phlux: i don't understand why you need to use source packages so much
[18:04] <mercutio> i think if you really do want to use source packages a lot gentoo is kind of desgined for that
[18:07] <mercutio> i think the real benefit with gentoo was overlays though
[18:09] <m0unds> funroll-loops
[18:09] <m0unds> the real benefit w/gentoo is that the time you'd spend doing anything else will be spent building packages instead of using them
[18:17] <phlux>  eh
[18:17] <phlux> it really doesn't take that long to compile the programs that I use
[18:17] <phlux> AUR > overlays imo
[18:17] <m0unds> well, if i was forced to use linux on a desktop, i'd rather use binaries
[18:18] <phlux> I think eselect is something I'll miss
[18:18] <phlux> Being able to swap from python2 to 3 on the fly via eselect is pretty nice
[18:18] <phlux> and 'eselect news' is pretty great, too
[18:30] <RandalSchwartz> I'll be doing that 10.0 dance in a few weeks
[18:31] <m0unds> pretty uneventful upgrade (just the way i like them)
[18:37] <mercutio> i hate funroll-loops
[18:37] <mercutio> it makes most code go slower
[18:37] <mercutio> pacman is insanely fast i find
[18:37] <mercutio> i always used to find apt-get slow
[18:37] <mercutio> where it takes longer to install packages than to download htem
[18:50] <brycec> phlux: do it, use Arch. Just do it. Use Arch, man. 16:43:35 < phlux> I need someone to talk me in to using Arch instead of Gentoo
[18:51] <m0unds> i meant funroll-loops in the most ricer-like way possible
[18:52] <brycec> lol
[18:58] <mercutio> oh right
[19:03] <Yamazaki-kun> just lost connectivity to VPS. Interesting.
[19:04] <Yamazaki-kun> just on IPv4
[19:04] <m0unds> that's weird
[19:04] <Yamazaki-kun> oh, it rebooted
[19:05] <Yamazaki-kun> nothing in the logs
[19:09] <Yamazaki-kun> savecore: reboot after panic: page fault
[19:12] <Yamazaki-kun> only using 14M/1023M swap
[19:12] <Yamazaki-kun> I'll have to get sar started
[19:13] <brycec> Using any swap at all? Ew :p
[19:13] <Yamazaki-kun> could've been because I had built world tonight
[19:13] <Yamazaki-kun> the swap part, anyhow
[19:13] <Yamazaki-kun> not the panic
[19:14] <Yamazaki-kun> and this is a 1G RAM VPS, so that's really the most RAM-intensive thing it will ever do
[19:14] <brycec> oh you're doing a ton of compiling
[19:16] <jpalmer> Yamazaki-kun: with the advent of freebsd-update,  why build world?
[19:16] <jpalmer> (I didn't scroll up, pardon me if someone else asked)
[19:18] <Yamazaki-kun> well, the idea was to get CTF in so I could dtrace later if I wanted
[19:28] <Yamazaki-kun> kind of a PITA, really.
[19:28] <Yamazaki-kun> next time I'm setting up jails I'll grab the txzs from the install set
[19:32] <Yamazaki-kun> ah. figures. something screwy with the routing I'm trying to do.
[19:36] <phlux> good news: the arch installer supports my wifi out of the box
[19:40] <Yamazaki-kun> and yay, managed some sort of image corruption. Reinstall! and I'll stick to a more straightforward jail configuration.
[19:44] <mnathani> Is this iso like a net install? FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso
[19:51] <Yamazaki-kun> sounds like it
[19:52] <brycec> phlux: sweet
[19:52] <brycec> also, congrats
[19:53] <phlux> haha, haven't made the jump just yet :P
[19:53] <phlux> doing some backups first
[19:53] <m0unds> was just gonna ask if that meant you'd decided
[19:54] <phlux> I pretty much have
[19:54] <phlux> I'm going to go through with it. If worse comes to worse, I'm familiar enough with Gentoo installation to just come back.
[19:55] <m0unds> YOU CAN DO IT
[20:19] <jbergstroem> m0unds: imo, one attractive benefit with gentoo is when wanting to run stuff like nginx or collectd (or any other binary that has optional modules) you can actually just use what you need, not 200 extra packages
[20:20] <phlux> well
[20:21] <phlux> there's that and you can mask future packages
[20:21] <phlux> example: someone on the Gentoo forums had an old printer that only worked with cups 1.5 and below. When 1.6 came out, he masked it, and was able to carry on with 1.5. Arch, at the time, shipped with 1.6, and he had to manually compile cups 1.5 in order to use it.
[20:22] <phlux> I've always wondered what Arch users do when the kernel updates via pacman and it breaks support for their wifi or something
[20:22] <phlux> Do you just deal with it? Manually compile the old kernel?
[20:24] <staticsafe> keep backups of the previous kernel
[20:24] <m0unds> jbergstroem: i can do that with bsd and never use gentoo
[20:25] <phlux> staticsafe: Is it simple to just 'roll back' to the previous kernel with pacman? I assume the package is still sitting in a local directory somewhere
[20:25] <jbergstroem> m0unds: but then you'd have to manage packages, dependencies (and upgrades) manually, right?
[20:25] <m0unds> no
[20:25] <jbergstroem> m0unds: talking about fbsd ports here? sure
[20:25] <m0unds> yep
[20:26] <staticsafe> portage > bsd ports
[20:26] <staticsafe> imho
[20:26] <m0unds> HAHAHAHAHA
[20:26] <phlux> I agree
[20:26] <staticsafe> much better management system
[20:27] <jbergstroem> m0unds: without sounding like a smart-ass, it is a bit more sophisticated
[20:27] <m0unds> sure
[20:27] <jbergstroem> anyway, not the place or time for a good ol distribution/os bikeshed disucssion
[20:28] * staticsafe nods
[20:32] <m0unds> conceptually, it's probably better because it's based on ports, but unsophisticated package management doesn't really break my heart
[20:32] <m0unds> and it's newer* ^ + based on ports
[20:32] <RandalSchwartz> portage?  seriously?
[20:32] * m0unds shrugs
[20:33] <m0unds> i honestly wouldn't know, as the only time i've used gentoo was 12 years ago
[20:34] <m0unds> i'll just keep ports + portmaster and not worry, haha
[20:34] <RandalSchwartz> yeah
[20:51] <Yamazaki-kun> oh, apparently vimage failing with pf is a known thing
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[21:30] <m0unds> oh?
[21:48] <m0unds> any irssi users here who have run into weirdness with irssi needing a /redraw pretty regularly?
[21:50] <m0unds>  might give weechat a shot - not sure if it's irssi or my terminal screwing up, but i've sent stuff to the wrong channel like 3 different times today. ugh.
[22:00] <brycec> pacman.conf features exclusions (masking), down to the version number 20:21:31 < phlux> I've always wondered what Arch users do when the kernel updates via pacman and it breaks support for their wifi or something
[22:00] <brycec> phlux: and yes, unless you've cleaned the cache, you can pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux...
[22:01] <brycec> m0unds: never needed to /redraw... Didn't even know it was a thing.
[22:01] <brycec> (I generally Ctrl-L for redraw)
[22:02] <m0unds> ah, gotcha
[22:03] <m0unds> really odd though, wonder if maybe it's my aircard connection at work (was having to work from the server room)
[22:05] <brycec> mosh?
[22:06] <m0unds> yeah, used mosh earlier in the day, but had issues and switched to just regular ssh
[22:06] <m0unds> issue was happening on ssh
[22:09] <brycec> hm, yup no idea
[22:11] <m0unds> probably just crappy verizon gaffling packets
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[22:53] <Yamazaki-kun> I've never had issues with irssi.
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[22:53] <Yamazaki-kun> pretty snappy connection too given that's running off my Bitfolk VPS.
[22:54] <Yamazaki-kun> anyone know what ntp.conf parameter I use to tell it to stop trying to bind to everything and bind to only what I tell it to bind to?
[22:56] <Yamazaki-kun> found it -- for some reason FreeBSD ships with ntpd 4.2.4 and you need .6