#arpnetworks 2014-01-21,Tue

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m0undswoo, new mogwai
stupid client
haha 		[00:06]
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up_the_ironsthanks guys for the ssl cert tips
ant: yeah it's consistent now
ant: you get the graph at the end of a practice / lesson (just like the app). i am liking that.
mnathani: i use one wildcard cert for my *.arpnetworks.com domains 		[00:22]
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mercutiobrycec: so the frree startssl works on normal browsers?
that sounds tempting :)
i hate those warnings
but for stuff just i access i don't want to pay really 		[01:12]
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antmercutio: yes. and startssl free is actually intended for personal use [01:28]
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up_the_ironsmercutio: ant : but how is that different than you just creating your own CA cert and then signing your personal cert? then import the CA into your browser.
perhaps startssl just makes the process easier 		[03:17]
antup_the_irons: the startssl root cert is already in every browser, so you don't have to import anything
up_the_irons: by every i mean every browser i know of 		[03:21]
up_the_ironsant: oh! nice
schön 		[03:22]
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hazardousat this point i realise i lost my cert for startssl
well crap 		[03:45]
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up_the_ironsmy German word of the day: Schraubenschlüssel
(wrench)
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[FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Tue Jan 21 09:11:11 2014
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RandalSchwartz[FBI] CIA
"[off]" is this line logged? :)
heh... [FBI] goes anywhere you invite it :)
I know. Was making a funny
... *[FBI]* (09:19) Ok, joining channel #perl to log it.
heh
... http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/perl?date=2014-01-21,Tue
heh... kicked off :) 		[09:18]
brycecoh heh
brycec wonders why people still need to be explicitly told "blah blah blah without the quotes" 		[09:22]
RandalSchwartzI wonder if the python people will do that...
heh... http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/ruby?date=2014-01-21,Tue 		[09:23]
brycecSilly Randal, Ruby isn't Python :P [09:27]
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antRandalSchwartz: i remember sending [FBI] to # by accident. for "some reason" it didn't log that channel ;)
(at least i can't find the logs on the web page) 		[09:57]
brycechaha [10:02]
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mercutioup_the_irons: with regards to cert it means importing into every browser
oh someone answered after that :) 		[14:36]
brycecheh, and this is why StartSSL >>>>> CACert [14:41]
mercutioyeah i've used cacert in the past [14:44]
brycecAs have I
I'm sooo happy to not be installing root certs, or dealing with incompatible visitors 		[14:47]
up_the_ironsah yeah [14:58]
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m0undsstaticsafe: in case you missed it, http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/16540-montana/ [15:33]
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Guest90344argh it still won't let me change nick [16:07]
brycecGuest90344: /msg nickserv release [16:08]
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mercutioahh got it
thanks
are school holidays not over yet?
is freenode still getting ddos'ed? 		[16:08]
brycecWhen Freenode splits, things get wonky. Sometimes services can't tell if your nick has been released by another (disconnected) server, so it gets stuck. [16:09]
mercutioyeh i thought there must be some command
it wasn't ghost 		[16:10]
brycecheh ghost adds nicks to your account [16:11]
mercutioreally
GHOST disconnects an old user session, or somebody 		[16:11]
brycecOh, what am I thinking of...
group perhaps
It's not like English is my first language or anything <.< 		[16:11]
mercutioit sounded about right [16:11]
brycec>.> [16:11]
mercutiobut it didn't work and your command idd [16:11]
brycecyeah, ghost knocks another person off. release gets it un-stuck
o/ wb mercutio 		[16:12]
mnathaniI am sure I had seen this previously: crashplan / code42 backup showcasing their list of well known enterprise customers. Cant seem to find it now.
http://www.crashplan.com

http://code42.com 		[16:17]
m0undshave any of you observed weird load avg values on your VPS?
one of mine is totally idle, indicating a load avg of 5 or 6 at all times, no svcs, no disk activity, nada
top shows no processes running except ttys and ssh 		[16:24]
mnathani19:24:06 up 12 days, 20:11, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.03, 0.01 [16:25]
m0undsit's so weird
5:24PM up 27 days, 19:23, 1 user, load averages: 6.28, 5.90, 5.43 		[16:25]
mnathaniVPS2: 19:24:43 up 57 days, 20:04, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 [16:25]
m0undsmnathani: which OS? [16:25]
mnathanifirst one was centos6.5
second ubuntu 		[16:26]
mercutioi assume it's a locked up process or such
usually if you have an idle system, with high load average it has nothing to do with the host
oh also on bsd load average is higher than linux btw, but it doesn't mean that load is higher. 		[16:26]
m0undssure
but it doesn't help to ask anyway 		[16:27]
mercutiooh it's linux [16:27]
m0undsmine's not [16:27]
mercutioi would look for processed locked in D state [16:27]
m0undsnone are [16:27]
mercutiofreebsd? [16:28]
m0undsyep [16:28]
mercutiozfs? [16:28]
m0undsnope [16:28]
mercutiohmm dunno :) [16:28]
m0undsthe only difference between this one and my other is that it's not on the same host box [16:28]
mercutioand it's not slow at all? [16:29]
m0undsnope
not even remotely 		[16:29]
mercutiothe mind boggles [16:29]
m0undsi found a mention of a bug in early 9.0 kernels w/the timer causing erroneous load avg values [16:29]
mercutiofreebsd's xen support has always been a bit weird, but of course you'll be using kvm :) [16:29]
m0undsyeah, it's driving me nuts though
hahaha 		[16:30]
mercutioi wonder if it is timer related, you can change timer [16:30]
m0undsyeah, tried rtc [16:30]
mercutiohpet? [16:30]
brycecm0unds: forkrate? I used to use a tmux.conf that called a couple of scripts every 2 seconds, which fired off more commands... it spiked my load nasty. [16:30]
m0undsit's on lapic by default [16:30]
mercutiooh hpet is prob the default [16:30]
m0undshpet isn't available
guessing that's a kvm thing 		[16:30]
mercutiois one of the hosts one of the new ones? [16:30]
m0undsonly timers available are rtc or lapic
old 		[16:30]
mercutioand the other old
both old? 		[16:30]
m0undsthis one is old, other is new
like i said - only diff is the host box
haha 		[16:30]
mercutiooh well maybe that is why one shows diff load avg
i have openbsd on old host and it doesn't show weird load average 		[16:31]
m0undshm [16:31]
mercutioi assume it's freebsd 9.2? [16:32]
m0undsyep [16:32]
mercutioi'm sure someone else will be using that on old host
in here i mean 		[16:33]
m0undskvr26
iirc 		[16:33]
mercutiothat's about what i'm on i think
oh nah
i'm on 15
wow
wrong by heaps :) 		[16:33]
m0undsi could be wrong too, hahahah
i know it's an old host though, qemu virt cpu version is different 		[16:34]
mercutiooh yip [16:34]
m0unds0.9.1 vs 0.12.3 [16:34]
mercutioi'm still wondering what freebsd 10 is like [16:35]
m0undsi'll let you know later today [16:35]
mercutiobut with freebsd their .0 releases can be scary from past experience :/
but looking at the chnagelog it doesnt' look too intimidating 		[16:35]
m0undsyeah, i would usually wait
but the changes seemed pretty mild 		[16:36]
mercutioi think they must be doing more major versions now
ikr 		[16:36]
m0undsonly part i'm not looking forward to is rebuilding 209 ports [16:36]
mercutiowith clang? :) [16:36]
m0undshahaha, i'd guess so [16:36]
mercutiowhy don't you use packages? [16:36]
m0undsshoot, i restarted irssi since yesterday
someone asked if i'd tried it yesterday 		[16:37]
mercutioheh
i am thinking of trying freebsd 10 on an old server today 		[16:37]
m0undshttp://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2014-01-20,Mon&sel=225#l221 [16:37]
mercutiobut it seems there's no small iso's :(
and i want to do virtual media over adsl 		[16:37]
m0undsfunny enough, the vps giving me trouble is the one i messed with pkg-ng on [16:38]
mercutioopenbsd is like 6 mb for smallest iso
freebsd 10 is like 915mb
195mb
when adsl uploads at like 100k/sec the difference is significant
they seem to have a strange idea of "boot only" 		[16:38]
bryceclol [16:41]
mercutioyou never know maybe it touches hardly any of the data [16:45]
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mnathaniwhats a good, free ticketing tool that can easily be configured to create a ticket in response to an email [19:14]
RandalSchwartzRT can do that [19:21]
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mnathaniRandalSchwartz: thanks [19:36]
m0undsRT works great [19:39]
mnathaniany free hosted options?
I would host it myself, but the email portion could get tricky I assume. 		[19:40]
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brycecfree+hosted eh? That's tricky.
mnathani: osTicket is pretty damn easy
As far as email, every ticket system I've used will poll POP3 and IMAP accounts
s/y$/y, and free./ 		[20:29]
BryceBot<brycec> mnathani: osTicket is pretty damn easy, and free. [20:32]
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meingtslaThe last freebsd install I did was from an mfsbsd iso, strangely enough. mfsbsd ISOs are much smaller than the "bootonly" media [22:14]
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mnathanihow does one invite [FBI] to log a new channel [22:47]
cool, got it : Starting logging this channel #coursera-android [22:52]
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brycecheh
for the record it's /invite <nick>, and you have to be an op in the channel usually 		[22:58]
mnathanioops: <-- | matp has kicked [FBI] (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) [23:00]
bryceclol perhaps thought you were/it was just trolling
(That's some client's default kick message too btw) 		[23:02]
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